Interview with Dieselnoi on the State of Muay Thai (Eng subs, 18 min) (Patreon)

I've wanted to start conducting interviews as a part of and expansion of the Preserve the Legacy Project, going beyond the Muay Thai Library. The aim is substantive interviews with the legends on the history of Muay Thai, the state of Muay Thai, and on their lives and careers. My Thai has finally gotten good enough that I can have at least basic back and forth conversations, and with the help of patrons who jumped in to help, I can get these interviews dependably translated. This is the first one of hopefully many, and as the debut interview it's very special to me, because Dieselnoi is my hero, my idol, and like a favorite uncle. Aside from this interview which runs 18 minutes, I also filmed maybe 30 minutes of Dieselnoi flipping through Muay Thai history, fighter by fighter (beginning with fighters who preceded him), telling the story of Muay Thai's evolution, from his perspective. I'm very excited about this dimension of the Preserve The Legacy project. It's time consuming, and I still get a little nervous talking to these greats with miscommunications and gaps in my Thai abilities, but the efforts really pay off. I'm a shy person at heart, but if anything is worth getting over your shyness it is this. I love this interview and, just seeing how Dieselnoi is as a man and how he performs his conversations... it just has to be captured.

Dieselnoi is an amazing man and energy. He is bursting with enthusiasm and intensity, and of everyone I've ever come in contact with in all of my Muay Thai interactions, I've met nobody who loves Muay Thai more than he does. When he trained me a few years ago he took a private moment and showed me his scars on his wrist, from where he tried to commit suicide because he had run out of opponents; his desperation was in not being able to fight, the one thing his heart rages after. It's a very personal thing to share and he did not know me well then either, so he is not shy about it. It's part of his intensity. A more happy note on something that makes Dieselnoi who he is, is his seemingly allergic reaction to wearing a shirt. The very instant he walks into a room he just has to pop his shirt off, he doesn't give any care at all to not being a young, chiseled fighter anymore - a fairly common point of shyness among other former fighters. He was the greatest knee fighter ever - that will never change, six pack be damned! I do plan to do more interviews with him, possibly covering his life in stages, and I'm also working with him to possibly get his biography published (if anyone wants to help with that, either through connections or with skills offered, message me). But to the English-speaking world, this interview stands a bit as a first introduction to the wonder that is Dieselnoi. And I'm happy to offer it to you my $10 patrons, because of the significance of your support. 

In the interview (there's a subtitle transcript you can browse below) he takes up a popular subject: How much contemporary Muay Thai has changed since the Golden Age, and why. He first talks about clinch, and about how much it has changed scoring. This is very interesting because previous translated criticisms of contemporary Muay Thai came from Samart and Saenchai, famously Femeu fighters who wanted nothing to do with clinch at all, as fighters. Femeu fighters want to show their techniques, so Muay Khao scoring is always something they disfavor. On the other hand, Dieselnoi was a powerful knee fighter, and very willing to clinch, so his perspective is perhaps a different critique. His complaint is not that there is too much clinch, per se, but rather the way in which fighters are clinching now. They apparently only clinch with power, not technique, and throw too readily, turning Muay Thai into a strength game. Fighters now just lock up and throw, occasionally landing knees that don't have the force and purity of the Golden Age, in Dieselnoi's eyes. It's just a strong man's sport (in a future segment he mentions that he's not a fan of Yodwicha, former co-Fighter of the Year, an expert at locking in the clinch. (I happen to be a big Yodwicha fan). He also gives added details in how promoters manipulate match-ups to bring out the strength advantage. Just to give you my view, in learning from and filming with these absolute legends of the Golden Age, the biggest thing that is missing from contemporary Muay Thai is Continuity. I talk about Golden Age Continuity here in my extended vlog. What I personally gather from what Dieselnoi is saying is that clinch now destroys continuity, it's a rudimentary and interrupted version of what in the Golden Age was a riveting conversation. In his time you had extremely continuous knee and clinch fighters like Langsuan (hopefully coming to the Muay Thai Library soon), or Lamnamoon (also in the works for the Library), or Dieselnoi. all of whom won Fighter of the Year. The clinch in this kind of knee fighting was used to gain competitive advantage, in the flow of more continuous attack. This is missing in today's Muay Thai. It's not only a minimization of vocabulary (simplified technique), but, to follow the language analogy, a lack of elocution in how you frame your ideas and arguments. 

He talks about the influence of gambling, which has been a complaint of both Dieselnoi's friend Samart, and from Saenchai, but Dieselnoi interprets the problem differently. According to Diesenoi, it isn't the gambling itself - there was more gambling in the past than there is now - but rather an effect of how power has changed. Dieselnoi's manager was Klaew Thanikul, reportedly one of the most powerful mafia bosses in all of Thailand, and one of the great early promoters of modern Muay Thai. There's an article on him here. I don't know enough about Muay Thai history and that era, but know that Dieselnoi is coming from that world.

above, Dieselnoi with his manager

In the interview he also talks about his famous catch-weight fight with Samart Payakaroon, the outcome was to establish who would be named Yodmuay (best fighter) for that year. He believes that to present times he still suffers from that weight cut, which pushed him down to 129.5 lbs. Samart was coming up in weight, and weighed in at 133 lbs. The victory went to Dieselnoi, a fight for which unfortunately no footage has surfaced. It's great to hear him talk about the fight, techniques in the fight, and the brutality of that weight cut.

There is much more coming from Dieselnoi in the future, and hopefully from many of the legends in the Library. I'd like to build a kind of oral history of the sport, as told through the voices of the fighters and krus I'm capturing in the Library. With the support of patrons and sponsors I can do that. (If you are a business and you would like to sponsor this series of interviews, and help make them happen, message me.)

Thank you for pledging substantively, helping to bring these kinds of projects forward!

If you are not familiar with closed captions on YouTube, you can turn on the English Language translation by simply hitting the "cc" button and allowing captions. You can see below:

A big and special thank you to patrons Prin and Pan, both of whom contributed to the translation, it could not have been done without them (and some help from their parents, I'm told, to help capture Dieselnoi's very fast, and unusual way of talking). And to the other patrons who also volunteered to help with the translation. If you are a fluent Thai speaker and think you can help refine the present interview, message me with suggestions. 

If you haven't watched the sessions, he is in the Muay Thai Library:

#3 Dieselnoi  Chor Thanasukarn  - The King of Knees (54 min) - watch it here 

 #30 Dieselnoi Chor Thanasukarn 2 - Muay Khao Craft  (42 min) watch it here  

And, he was part of the Four Legends Seminar, the video of which can be seen here:

4 Legends Seminar - Bangkok April 2018 (1 hr 20 min)

Muay Thai Library legends Karuhat, Chatchai, Namkabuan and Dieselnoi were in seminar on two days instructing students from around the world. This is an hour and twenty minute video edit of a first-of-its-kind seminar in Bangkok. watch it here 

The Subtitle Transcript

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Now,

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on the matter of points in muay thai,

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it's not like it was before

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why has it changed?

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It's changed due to the judges.

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Judges give points like *this*

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And so fighters adjust.

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Back in the day, they’d give points for demonstrating your weapons

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Whether you hit your target, if they damaged your opponent

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Now it's not like that anymore. Now they clinch up,

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take their opponent down, and the fighter on top gets the advantage.

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And so it is that

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it’s not anymore about how you demonstrate your skills

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it’s not anymore about how you demonstrate your skills or which weapons you display;

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if you’re a heavy handed muay mat, how you fight

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it's how you lift weights and how you use your weight, clinch, or whatever you have in order to take down your opponent

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Why have the judges changed their scoring, awarding points like this?

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The truth is,

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there's

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criteria/rules

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that the judges have to abide by, right?

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They give points according to this, like I'm telling you; demonstrate good technique clearly.

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But in practice, things are different. Judges aren't able to hold themselves to their own standards.

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Why?

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They decide taking into account situational factors.

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For example, when people boo, they get scared; they don't stand their ground

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In fact, if we're going to improve muay thai,

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In fact, if we're going to improve muay thai,

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however we are trained, we have to adhere to those principles of muay thai.

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as soon as you sit in the judge's chair, you declare your position and make clear the scoring criteria

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for example, how is your fighter going to win? your fighter may be strong, but is he accurate? right?

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right?

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describe in detail to the audience!

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so the audience understands from that point moving forwards.

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Nowadays, people don't know how to watch muay thai.

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They only look at one thing, “Oh he’s strong, he threw his opponent down a lot.”

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So now every gym,

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they invest in making their fighters (physically) strong , so they can better clinch and throw their opponents down.

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so they can better clinch and throw their opponents down, right?

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So it’s like that. If they were to demonstrate the technique of muay thai – is their muay beautiful?

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If they were to demonstrate the technique of muay thai,

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is their muay beautiful?

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Is their muay effective and damaging?  Which weapons hit where?

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Then the head trainer of the camp would have to train their fighters like that.

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So it will be more entertaining and so we can appreciate the technique of muay thai.

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Nowadays it's like this.

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Do you think muay thai trainers have changed their teaching as well?

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If you ask whether teachers of muay thai have changed as well, then yes they have changed.

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Frankly speaking, it's the promoters. I train fighters, I feed them a particular type of fighter.

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I feed them a particular type of fighter.

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You ask me for a match. For example, this pair of fighters, are exciting to watch, but I won't match them up.

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I want to promote, you want to promote, but we're not willing to compromise.

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We don't want to work cooperatively.

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So now we're at an impasse and we can't make the match happen.

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So let's pick a different fighter

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in the same camp, who's fought a couple of times

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in the same camp, who's fought a couple of times

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let's put him up a couple of weightclasses and now it's fighters matched by weight only

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so now the points are awarded by the judges to the fighter who's stronger

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So of course the fighter who's closer to his natural weight has the advantage

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and will take his opponent down and you'll decide that he won

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right?

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Nowadays, the phrase "muay pae tahng gan" (the hierarchy of muay thai styles)

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Do you understand the term "muay pae tahng gan"?

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You don't understand, right?

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It means that, for example, if you're muay mat,

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and I'm muay dtae, if you advance on me

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you can punch me as many times as you want, you're always going to lose

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right?

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You're not going to have that anymore.

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Because they don't give points like that anymore.

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You advance and I land good kicks, but then get I clinched and taken down and lose.

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You understand? So that's how it comes to be.

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Why? This is how promoters have thus contributed to the decline of muay thai.

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Not exciting.

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Because you don't have the appropriate fighters, you end up matching fighters by weight only,

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you pressure naturally lighter fighters to fight in order to have fights at all, If you really look deeply at it.

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When you're a referee in the stadium

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how do you like to referee?

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breaking the clinch or let it go?

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What do you mean?

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As a fighter in the past,

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and a referee in the present,

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do you referee like before?

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or do you change like today?

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Oh, if i were to judge, I would do it my own way; I wouldn't be interested in points

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I wouldn't be interested in modern factors.

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Before I judge,

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I will enter the ring and tell the audience

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I don't judge according to betting lines, I judge by the art of muay thai technique only

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Therefore, I look at how you show your weapons/demonstrate your skills

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Not just locking your opponent and falling on them to win! It's not like that!

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Because this is muay thai, not muay bplum (wrestling)!

[written screens summarizing a question]

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The reason it changed, as far as I can tell,

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we have to accept something, and that is Thailand,

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it's a small country.  And another thing, fighter's purses (kha dtua)

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The standard purse in Thailand is around 100-200,000 baht

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Currently.

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But when you fight foreign fighters

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you have to accept that foreign fighters don't like to clinch and throw, right

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right?

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because they can't fight like that,

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they pressure us, they pressure Thais, to not fight like that

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but why did Thais go along with this? because of money.

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Fighting with Thais, it's a long time between fights, and you only get 100,000 baht

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Fighting every 3-4 months

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But if you fight abroad, it's only 3 rounds, you get to fight in a foreign country,

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You fight without knees, you get 4-500,000 baht!

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So that's how that came to be.

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This is the meaning. Why?

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Because foreigners,

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They're going to favor their own, this is a fact of life.

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The muay thai that exists today, exists because of foreigners.

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The true art of muay thai,

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certain techniques of off balancing

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foreigners can't fight against this.

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Nowadays

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Foreigners come to Thailand,

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they can't clinch - they die! Right! They can do everything, but when they clinch...

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Back in the day

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Elbows are the same story.

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Foreigners didn't know how to use them. Afraid! Prohibited! Prohibited!

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But now they're not prohibited. You know why? They can use them now! You elbow, I elbow!

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From this point forwards, it won't be long.

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Once foreigners learn how to clinch, all those clinch techniques will come back

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Thai people will allow it. Why?

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Because right now, foreigners don't match up at that level of technique

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When they get up to that level and can use all the techniques, they'll be able to fight

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It's like that. I know already.

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Therefore, when you go fight

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when Thai fighters say...

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That's why Saenchai is not right when he says that

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Saenchai doesn't like to clinch

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Right!

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when he says it's not good

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Right, he'd usually lose to muay khao

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Now, don't forget, muay khao...

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All nak muay are like this...

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Muay mat (boxers),

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Muay dtae (kickers), muay khao (knee fighters), muay sok (elbow fighters)

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The muay style that uses the most energy/strength,

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out of all these styles, is muay khao.

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(Out of) everyone! They use a lot of energy/strength.

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Before you had muay khao and muay mat (that were contrasted),

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now it's muay khao and femur.

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All of them.

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When you go up and fight,

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muay khao is the most tiring. Why is this?

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One, the body has to be strong; you have to advance on your opponent and clinch them

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Stop, and you get kicked.

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And what's the easiest style? Muay femur.

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Your Samarts, your Saenchais, play femur and <makes dancing gesture>...

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And the muay

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that takes the most damage, gets famous the fastest, goes the fastest, is muay mat

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because muay mat, they have to invest

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and commit to getting inside and punching

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Get two or three knockouts, you get a big reaction - "OOOOH" - and now you're famous.

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But at the same time, you get kicked,

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you get kicked, bruised inside. Apidej (fighter famous for arm-breaking kicks)

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and

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why do you get famous quickly (as a muay mat)?

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Because muay mat, you don't have to practice that much to fight if you have heavy hands.

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They don't have the chance to get tired! You advance and punch, how do you get tired?

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It's not like muay khao, where you have to go and clinch

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Right? This is what I'm telling you.

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Ajarn, before, when you fought,

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what style did you fight with?

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Me? I walked ahead and stabbed knees.

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I walked ahead,

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left teeps, left kicks, stabbed knees, and grabbed and hit.

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You liked fighting with muay khao?

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Yes, I liked that. I liked fighting muay khao, muay mat,

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But I didn't really like fighting muay femur. They'd run and hide...I didn't like that.

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Boring, right?

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I'd get tired. But I liked fighting muay mat. You know why?

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There's a good quality of exchange between our styles. We'd advance and they'd advance in turn.

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Right, right.

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And Samart (Payakaroon), Pi Mat

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he says that, nowadays,

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Muay Thai is declining due to gamblers

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that have influence.

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There's gambling going on.

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Not related at all.

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Because,

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in the past, there was a lot of mafia, right?

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Gambling, for Thai people, it's been around a long time.

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Nowadays, it's even less than it was before!

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Right! Then why do Samart and other

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people say that gambling

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ruins everything

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I don't understand, because there's always been gambling.

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Yes, gambling's been around. But they say that because

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it's his feeling that judges...

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Samart looks at the judges and sees it this way because

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the judging criteria have changed!

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(he thinks) that this demonstrates that gamblers are using their money to influence things,

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and that there's corruption.

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And so that's why Samart says these things.

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In the past there used to be big Mafia figures, right? But now, this isn't actually corruption, right?

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Back in the day, the Mafia weren't part of the corruption.

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Klaew Thanikul (famous promoter)

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He was very straightforward. Whoever didn't perform well, he'd hire someone to take care of them for real.

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So people didn't dare.

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He was my boss.

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And so when he died,

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all the Mafia, they stopped being afraid.

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And so they...

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Klaew Thanikul, called me up.

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"Doi," he said,

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"if you don't have money, don't hesitate to call me."

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he was talking about if there was anyone who would pay me to take a dive

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"I'll open their mosquito netting and shoot them where they sleep."

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In the past, there were nak muay

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that were banned from fighting

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because they were accused of taking payoffs

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Sian (Karuhat) over here?

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Now they have it, right?

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Like what?

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Sometimes, I've seen fights where the referee stopped the fight.

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Yes, they've always done that! They did it just in the past two days!

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Two days ago, both of the fighters, they didn't fight.

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Tanadet, right?

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They'd stop the two fighters and give them a warning.

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Stop, warn, and then break them up altogether.

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They still do this now.

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But now,

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nak muay are prohibited

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when it's like this

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They don't let them fight, they take them out of commission (to pickle!)

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6 months? 1 year?

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In the past, they wouldn't let them fight for 6 months

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Nowadays,

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it's still 6 months, but it's hard to come back.

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Because people don't watch muay thai anymore, they gamble.

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They think they're going to be cheated.

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Few fighters that get kicked out like this can come back.

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Unless you were part of a famous camp.

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These days

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it's not the same, not the same

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when they're not even trying to fight

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Stop!

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have you ever done this yourself?

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I myself have never taken a dive,

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as the boss of the camp

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No, I mean as a referee

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Me? Yes.

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i was able to detect which fighters fixed their fights.

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They'd fight like this...

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So I'd remind them to fight - Hey! Fight!

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Stop!

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Separate the two of them.

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Why did they even enter the ring?

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Looking out, looking out, sometimes nak muay

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Sometimes you kick, and you receive it, and it's like...

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...you know,

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it's the exchange between the two of you.

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And Sylvie, you have to remember that

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when you get in the ring, Sylvie you remember

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you get in the ring and you fight, right?

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you trying to hurt me, right?

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as soon as you kick

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I'm going to kick you right back.

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so I have to repeat this, right?

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I run in, but don't land the kick (beuk!), you already backed out

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like sparring

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but in the past

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you had nak muay who were friends

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Karuhat

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Kaensak

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But they fought for real

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Right.

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Friends, but they fought for real.

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Do just as you would, fight for real

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But you also had Samart, Dieselnoi,

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friends, but,

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Oh... kill him

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But! We didn't use elbows on each other.

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We didn't use elbows.

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we only used the forearm (not to cut)

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And if our friend fell, we wouldn't follow up with a kick when they were on the ground.

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We wouldn't do that.

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But when you kneed Samart in the face...

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That knee to the face, I'm going to tell you the story of how that happened, Sylvie

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He was a good friend of mine

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And you know what he told me?

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"Doi, we're friends - when we fight, let's fight like we're sparring." I said OK.

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But when the ref brought us to the center of the ring,

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he said, "Doi, go ahead and use full force."

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Well, if you say full force, then I'm going to hit you full force!

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But when the fight's over,

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you're still friends, right?

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Usually, fighting full force, you hold your guard tight like this, right?

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So when I hit, it slid up and hit him in the face.

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"Maeng Daa" (slang for "pimp" or "asshole")

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[I ask him about the weight cut for his epic fight for Fighter of the Year against Samart Payakaroon]

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You cut a lot of weight, right?

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Twenty two and a half pounds! Twenty two and a half pounds!

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Like this? I don't understand!

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Fifteen days,

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I'd eat, a small amount like this.

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Fifteen days!

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Eat just this much, with hot water!

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In the day I'd put on a sweat jacket and in the afternoon I'd train.

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Eat and train.

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At the end of training, I'd be down seven pounds.

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Wipe off the sweat.

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Man, the weight would come off. I'd be really fatigued.

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The next day you're going to fight

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Tomorrow you weigh in, today you...

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Two o'clock in the morning, jump rope.

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Take medicine and apply it.

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Wipe the sweat off.

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Ten o'clock in the morning,

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Weigh yourself, another four pounds.

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Lunch time, eat just one spoonful,

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and then you'd take a plate,

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put salt on it. put some limes on it.

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a thermos of hot water.

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if you're thirsty, you touch the lime to the salt, and then squeeze it into your mouth

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put on three shirts, two pairs of pants

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two in the afternoon, you get in the chicken cage

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take an grill, water, and get under the cover of the cage

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wipe off the sweat and cry!

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crying, eh?

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crying helps to lose the weight

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The sweat would come off and you'd weigh yourself again and see another two pounds gone.

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Go in again.

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The sweat would come off, you weigh yourself again,

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another two pounds.

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By this point a lot would have come off. Now what?

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In the evening, you wouldn't eat anything at all.

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129 pounds, right?

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I was short 2 and half pounds.

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How would I sleep? I'd take sleeping pills.

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I'd sleep like this.

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I'd take a plastic bag, urinate like this,

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And sleep like this!

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It was torture.

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I couldn't bathe.

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I could only wipe myself down with hot towels.

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how many days?

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Seven days.

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Go weigh in that morning,

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133 pounds, Samart one pound (over)

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Dieselnoi 129 pounds and a half!

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I'd eat like this afterwards.

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Eat some more, drink some red drink (this is sugar, basically)

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My eyes were sunken, my tongue was messed up,

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I'd soak in water

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When the evening came,

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my body had gotten bigger by eight pounds.

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but my eyes were still sunken in, legs were <gestures>

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that day,

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when we finished fighting, Samart walked out of the ring like this, i walked out like this

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I had this sort of aching pain (lao)

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mai dai, mai dai (cannot)

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after your fight, how many days were you sick for?

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before I was revived?

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four to five days

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(inaudible)

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If I wasn't so depleted,  Samart would have been hurt

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Stab knees like this

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He's fast, right?

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If I knee left, he goes right, if I knee right right, he goes left.

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so now I know what to do.

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I'd walk and walk

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walk him into the corner

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he wouldn't be able to move out of it

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I'd adjust and stab a left knee, and he'd go right

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I'd throw a left knee, he'd move right, and then I'd catch him with a right knee

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I'd catch him and take the wind out of him

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Arjan hooked his arms, right?

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at the seminar you just did you showed this technique

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I watched you do this, I know this technique!