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First of all, I want to thank all of you for being here! Since the last video, we gained more Patreons and many upped your level, thank you from the bottom of my heart!

Now onto the bad news. Right after I posted the last video on here, I went to the shop to unload some of the parts that arrived. I had some time to kill and decided to look inside the cylinders with the endoscope, something I haven't done before, but should've. 

When I got invoices from the previous owner, I was already tearing apart the engine and that's when I saw the invoice where the shop in Texas did leak-down and compression test. Results were good but cylinder 7 was weak, they cleaned it and got it within spec. I was curious to see what that cylinder looked like, so I went inside with the camera and it looked okay, no damage. I briefly looked at another cylinder on that side, also looked okay and I continued tearing apart the engine. 

So this time around, I started with cylinder 1 which was at TDC so couldn't see anything. Cylinder 2 good, cylinder 3 good and then when I got to cylinder 4... my heart sank. You can see pictures with the endoscope above. That's what a properly scored cylinder looks like.

I just couldn't believe it, the engine sounded beautiful, no smoke from the exhaust or any signs of mechanical issues with the engine. Needless to say, complete oversight on my part, I should've scoped the cylinders immediately, but I honestly didn't even imagine something likes this would be inside given how well the engine worked, the spark plugs were nice color and no smoke from the exhaust.

On the bright side, luckily I caught it when I did. If I reassembled the engine and then learned about this, that would've been a disaster because this engine wouldn't last long.

After learning this, I decided to pull the engine out of the car, remove heads and inspect the block closer. I actually got it out with the transmission relatively quickly.
Popped the heads and sure enough, nice scoring in cylinder 4. It looks worse than it actually is, the scratches are not too deep but you can definitely feel them under your finger.
Cylinder 2 has a bit deeper scratches at the top and then I turned over the engine and saw cylinder 1. Also scored similarly to cylinder 4. The rest look more or less okay.

In its current state, this engine is dead. This is an aluminum block coated with alusil. Very difficult to repair properly. The block is Alpina specific, I checked the price for a new one from Alpina and just the block is 5.000€. Which isn't horrible compared to high-end cars, but that would be just the start of it.
Tomorrow I'll inspect the crank, but if I were to do a full rebuild, I'd want new eccentric shafts, possibly cams, Vanos units, rod bearings, piston rings and maybe even pistons if they are in bad shape... It just doesn't end and the cost for parts alone would easily exceed 10.000€. 

And that, that's a lot of money. So I'm not sure what's going to happen. Once I fully strip the block, I'll do rough math to see how much it'd take to rebuild the engine completely and if it makes financial sense. If I decide to proceed, I would likely need to sell one of the cars in order to finance this rebuild and I really don't want to do that. Selling a beautiful E30 to fix shitty N62 just seems so wrong. 

On Monday, I'll take the block to a nearby specialist shop. I already sent pictures to them and they say the block might be repairable, but I don't have high hopes. Alusil is very difficult to repair and I'd have a hard time trusting someone they could do it 100% properly. 

It's not looking good, but I'm not giving up yet. Video on this will come soon, until then keep it to yourself. :)

Love you all! 

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Anonymous

Sorry to hear this Sreten, I’m sure it’s disappointing to uncover with so much work already done. 😞

Anonymous

So sorry man. But this could be your big breakthrough series. As you mentioned, Hoovie got a lot of views with his B7. Might just be “worth it” to sell one of your M5’s to get this back on the road?

Anonymous

That's really tough to hear, this project is so exciting as someone with the same engine in my B5. I really hope it ends up you can continue. Fingers crossed for some better news when the specialist has looked at it and keep up the great content chap

Anonymous

Fuck! That's sad.

Anonymous

Looks bad... Any idea why this happened ?

Anonymous

I don't know man. If the engine sounded good and no smoke, why would it prematurely fail in the near future? This scoring probably happened a long time ago. I say it was a waste to strip the engine like that.

Anonymous

Have a beer or two, everything will seem much better. Chin up and crack on

Anonymous

Oh man :((, that’s bad. Can you do new cylinder bore/drill and insert a alusil sleeve (sorry, don’t know the tech terms in English, hope you know what I mean) to recreate the original size? I know this is a standard procedure on S62 engine and block rebuild but that may be a different material (nikasil?), not sure. Sad news anyway - hope you find a way to fix it. I believe you will and it’s going to be awesome in the end. Good luck! 🙏🤞

Anonymous

Shitty fuel being used. USA has lots of it. Then carbon scores the cylinder.

Anonymous

That’s just so sad to hear…well, fingers crossed, maybe the shop you’ll send the block to can do a really good job and repair it, you never know. I really hope for the best

Normunds Gavars

Ouch! Remember the delivery/trailer guy revving that poor engine? He should pay for the repair now :) Can’t you just hone the shit out of these cylinders and then pray to some automotive gods for some good luck?

Anonymous

This was bound to happen with all the cars you are reviving. Sad to see that the beating heart of this beast is dying. Crazy to see that this kind of damage doesn't produce any smoke. Hopefully you can find a good solution for this cool car. Just upped my patreon level because you are the only channel I'm watching all the videos of multiple times. Good luck and thanks for all the videos

Anonymous

I’ll watch your content no matter what you decide… but usually you end up fixing it so… no pressure Sreten, no pressure :)

Anonymous

My heart is crying too...

Anonymous

I believe the M5 is more valuable and lot cooler than this one 😇.

Anonymous

Awh man, heartbreaking. Let's keep the faith, worst case...LS swap?

Anonymous

So sad to hear about this! The Alpina was fast turning into my new favorite. But I guess with these cars, a catastrophe like this was just waiting to happen. 🙈 I really hope it can be saved but understand if you will pull the plug on this one. Will upgrade my monthly donation right now! 😄

Anonymous

Gutting 😥 Fingers crossed this can be sorted 🤞

Anonymous

Sreten, don’t you have two blue M5’s? Sell the one with the two-time interior?

Anonymous

Oh man… really sad, no matter what you decide it is great series.

Anonymous

Maybe Andi from Subi Performance can help you. His Company is in Troisdorf, Germany and he also has a YouTube channel. He seems to know much about Alusil Blocks. He said in one of his videos that he knows somebody who can coat cylinders with nikasil. This would be a much more robust option to rebuild the engine. Only one week ago somebody with a S63 engine (M5 F10) was at his shop and had the exact same problem as you with his engine. Here is the video (in German): https://youtu.be/oBwDB2B3mNw

Anonymous

Even if it's going to die, a forensic deconstruction of the engine with prices for all the parts that need replacing would be pretty interesting

Anonymous

Sorry mate. But let's be real, how much did you pay for this car? Realistically, what was the calculated grand total $$ dollar amount that you must have budgeted in order to fully repair the car to your specs??? You were hoping to be lucky, and unfortunately it didn't happen. My advice (And I know you haven't asked for it), is to have a few birras and put this project aside for now, while your wallet grows a little bit (Who knows, you may still get lucky and bump into someone that wants to pay for the big items...), and then re-convene much later and finish the bastard properly!!!!! Go Streten! I know you can do it maate!

m539restorations

Cause the cylinders are scored, it's just a matter of time before it starts eating oil or worse. I also consulted with the local shop that deals with BMWs and they also said it's not a good idea to run it like this. It crossed my mind to leave it, but I could never trust this car and dumping 3-4k in parts now just to see it go bad later, just seems dumb. Anyway, if we are going to fix it, it has to be the right way. :)

Anonymous

My heart!! I hope something can come together to finish this build, it’s legit been hugely informative and fun to watch 🤙🏾

Anonymous

Re-sleeve it with some high performance steel inserts?

Anonymous

Maybe Redhead Zylinderkopftechnik (very experienced engine repair shop, also quit popular on Youtube) can help you / repair the engine? (But I don't know how expensive they are...)

Anonymous

At least you aren't dealing with too many rusty bolts on this import i hope?

m539restorations

I paid $4k and by the time you pay for shipping, insurance, tax and import duties, that doubled. I always dump a ton of money in all projects, but as it sits now, just this engine needs 10k not including the rest of the car and getting it to pass TUV. So we'll see, I still have wiggle room and I'm not giving up! :)

Anonymous

As you probably know ... Alusil is not a coating, but an etching process of the special aluminium these blocks are cast from. I suspect that reboring and etching is possible, but finding an oversize piston will be impossible. One option would be to bore and Nikasil coating ... and another option would be to use drop-in liners ... which is probably the most robust approach and probably better than the original. Liners are a tried and tested technology ... I'd go that route.

Anonymous

Dang, that are not the news, i´d wish to hear! 5000 european Schillings for a new block is hard to swallow. Hopefully your nearby Shop is able to help you. If not Sreten, may I suggest to bring the block to PowerSeal ( Nederlands ) and get it NIKASIL coated there. They are doing a phenomenal job and I think they could get it done - the proper way.

Anonymous

What happened to finishing project Karlsruhe first to free up some money?

Anonymous

Bummer man. But hey, whatever you decide to do, you got a free nail in the deal!

m539restorations

Thanks! I don't know much on this topic, never rebuilt an engine before so it'll be a huge learning curve for me. But next week, I'll ask around with specialist shops and see what's the best option.

m539restorations

I still plan to work on it. Last few videos on it, didn't do so well and Alpina is killing it now. And funnily enough, I thought Alpina would be less work, lol.

Anonymous

You can also try to contact Subiperformance, located in Troisdorf, they are somewhat specialised in milling out Alusil and Fitting sleeves.

Anonymous

Bro, I've found a shop here in Poland which probably could fix this engine. They have over 40 years of experience in engine building. Now they bought new machines from USA for Al-Si technology. They say that now they can regenerate every block with Al-Si cylinders. Mayby they could help: KRASNOBRODZKA RACING Krasnobrodzka 5 Street 03-214 Warsaw, Poland Tel: +48 22 674 15 11 Cell: +48 693 46 32 93 Email:info@krasnobrodzka-racing.com

Nismo

Damn, sorry to hear 😞 You've been lucky with your project car engines up until this point. You'll figure something out though, you're great at what you do! Also, I can't recall, were you planning on selling Project Skovde after you finish all the work and maintenance on it?

Anonymous

Oh man, this must really suck especially after just doing the timing job. Good luck on getting it sorted, I am sure you will. We are here to enjoy the ride.

Anonymous

You’re on a string/roll of winners, good scores and real gems lately - so take this one on the chin, go for it and bring it to he finish if financies allow you to do so🙏🏻👍💪🏻

Anonymous

It’s unfortunate when a broken BMW turns out to be truly broken. Would it be possible to get a low mileage N62 and swap over the Alpina bits? Did Alpina modify the block too? I loved watching Project Karlsruhe, and it sucks to hear its not doing well. In my opinion, focus on the cars you like fixing and the viewers will find their way to you. You have a very dedicated audience who watch every video.

Anonymous

It's amazing not how well the B7 actually still ran despite everything that was now broken on the engine 😰

Anonymous

I'm hopeful Sreten ! Cylinders are already sleeved from Alpina. Machine shop will make your day when they tell you "We can do this" Good Luck !!

Kees Pameijer

Just a quick thought… I really want to see Sreten save this Alpina turd… so as patreons, as dedicated fans, with the power of internet it must be possible to raise some funds to help him out…?

Anonymous

Had the idea literally 10 minutes ago! I would like to donate, to get this turd running.

Anonymous

Bummer man. Never was a big e65 7 series fan but the facelift is tolerable. However, I was really into this potential series as my favorite part of your channel is the nuts and bolts and getting your hands dirty and this was/is looking to deliver in spades.

Anonymous

The 2 stroke world has been plating cylinders for decades as have the 944/928 world, you can too!

Anonymous

Bummer. Upped my patreon tier to help out. Hopefully it all works out.

Anonymous

Fingers crossed that the shop can repair the block

Anonymous

Shit happen... It's hard to tell from the pictures but it doesn't look that bad to me... I would strongly suggest the shop first try honing/deglazing the cylinders. You might be surprised what a proper honing can do. Throw new rings on and drive it like you stole it.

Anonymous

Keep us posted on what you find out on Monday!

Anonymous

I think sleeving the cylinders is your best bet. It's a proven low-tech method to resolve problems like yours. Probably cheaper too, rather than trying to rehabilitate the original lining and worrying if the fix will work.

Liz Rossi

That is exactly what happened to my Cayenne turbo, right down to the Alusil lining. I don't know if it would help but a guy named Charlie Navaro runs a company called LN engineering. This is one of the things they specialize in. As for me? I found a salvage block, and it was 12000 euro to get back on the road. I am so sorry this happened to you. But if anyone can make the impossible BMW things happen, it'd be you.

Anonymous

In some casual reading so much information is available on honing and restoring hyper eutectic Aluminum cylinder bores, i.e. https://www.mmsonline.com/articles/new-honing-options-for-hypereutectic-aluminum-cylinder-bores

Anonymous

I would recommend not sinking too much good money after bad on this project, unless you find an interested investor or buyer for the finished product. I even found one thread about honing the cylinder walls with Scotch-Brite pads!

Anonymous

The scoring doesn't look all that bad, what matters is the compression test results, oil consumption, and whether or not the problem is actively getting worse or if it's the result of something that happened in the past, and I'm not aware of any common bore scoring causes in N62 engines. (unlike the Porsche motors that had their piston skirts delaminate and chew up the cylinders) Given the insane cost (and risk, competent machinists are hard to find especially for engines like this) of rebuilding this engine, I would probably just put new chain guides in and run it for a while and see how it does, and occasionally check compression to see if anything gets worse. As you said, selling a clean E30 to rebuild a shitty N62 isn't a great deal.

Anonymous

Now that's just upsetting news. Hopefully a feasible solution will present itself.

Anonymous

A serious blow to morale, its such a beautiful car I hope it can go ahead and you find a cheaper way to extend this beauty's life, chin up Sreten ! How about a viewers fund! We're the ones that love the stuff you do, why not let us help fund our own enjoyment ?

Scott Sanford

I’d rather see you work on an older turd than this. It was fun to see you tear it down but it’s not one BMW’s masterpieces.

Anonymous

That is sad news, fingers crossed that you'll find a way, I really wanted to see this Vinnie on the Autobahn

hlx

Alrighty, just for this project, I'll upgrade to V8. Good fucking luck mate.

Anonymous

Oh man I'm devastated too but fingers crossed maybe there is another way! 🙏

Anonymous

Ahh that sucks balls! 🤦 Ide say try and cover your kisses and sell the thing. Work on one of the oldies 💪

Anonymous

The delivery guy done did it now…

Anonymous

I think he wrote in the text that the block is Alpina specific. :/

Anonymous

Great video as always, but man that is saddening ☹️

Anonymous

That's a proper bad luck! Used engine perhaps?

Anonymous

Shit Sreten, what heart dropping news you’re sharing. I’m not knowledgeable enough on the power plant to advise, but I’m shore you’ll sort it out. Keeping my fingers crossed that come Monday you’ll have a solution from the shop you’ll be visiting. Cheers and thanks for a fab channel! 🤩😎

Charles R

Such a blow so sorry to hear - all keeping fingers crossed you find a viable way to fix it. Good luck Sreten - be super to see that beast back on the Autobahn!

Anonymous

Making me tear up. I hope you can fix this Sreten.

m539restorations

This shop told me they see this often on N62. I'm at the point of no return, I'll see what they say on Monday and I'll also reach out to Alpina. I can't put it back this way.

Anonymous

Honestly that scoring is not terrible, especially if there were no symptoms. If you do decide to repair the block, you can ship to Lithuania for resleeving and machining which will cost pennies on the dollar and keep your project within budget. We have resleeved numerous Alusil and Nicasil blocks with cast iron liners and they run perfectly for thousands of kilometers, even in motorsport applications.

Anonymous

https://en.powerseal.nl/ Maybe contact these guys? Can’t hurt to compare prices

Anonymous

Sreten, have you machine shop make you an offer on boring out the cylinders and putting in sleeves. Maybe a reasonable option to save the block!

Anonymous

I must retract my earlier comment on the cylinders being sleeved. They are, of course, not sleeved. My mistake. But still hopeful the machine shop will come through.

Anonymous

Damn, that's sad to hear! I'm sure you'll take the best decision for you and the turd!

Anonymous

Sorry to read the sad news. However with your skills and equipment at hand I‘d continue, these videos are the best documentation of your fabulous work and flip it for profit to one of your viewers. I’d totally be up for that if I wouldn’t mind getting divorced, but I’m pretty sure a few patreons might be interested in buying this iconic vehicle

Femaref

ahh darn. that's a pitty. two youtubers to ask for opinion/help/collab: BP-Motorentechnik and Subi-Performance.

m539restorations

Do you have someone to recommend? So far, I got a quote 3200€ to sleeve the entire block in Germany.

Anonymous

Sreten - this is a Czech shop specializing on block repairs etc - many of local BMW community use them (including several rehauled S62 engines). https://www.brusirnapokorny.cz/ Not sure they speak English but I can help with that, if needed.

Anonymous

Any update as to what the shop said yesterday and what you plan on doing now after considering your options a bit longer?

Anonymous

Maybe a new Skövde Connection can help you. http://www.fredsmotor.se/

Anonymous

It is interesting how all of the damaged cylinders are in one bank