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Borderline, Misogyny, and Listening (Patreon)

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2021-08-30 14:00:07
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2024-02

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Borderline, Misogyny, and Listening

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Trigger Warning: This episode may include topics such as assault, trauma, and discrimination. If necessary, listeners are encouraged to refrain from listening and care for their safety and well-being.


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SeattleTransAndNonbinary ChoralEnsemble

re: the baseball bat metaphor around 20 minutes... Seems totally absurd, right? Yet we live in a world where because use of certain 'sports equipment' can cause people to behave strangely, occasionally result in accidental death or are used for assassination, or have (sometimes only allegedly) caused/worsened health problems or people crave them obsessively when overused, we make playing and openly talking about 'baseball', selling 'tickets to a baseball game', or owning 'baseball' paraphernalia a crime punishable by years in prison for the first offense, creating a criminal industry and black market surrounding 'baseball' that is now impossible to enforce sanctions on compared to when people could openly enjoy it in fields and stadiums and could talk about it without fearing jail, censorship, ostracism, or being dismissed from their job. A policy that results in our spending millions of dollars more tax money and invading foreign nations to ostensibly stop people from 'playing baseball' than the entire legitimate industry combined earned in the years before they were made illegal, yet 10% of the American population still plays it on a weekly basis or more and easily over 50% have tried it a few times in the past and had a fine time without killing anyone. All this despite the fact that everyone knows that when we tried to ban 'basketball' and criminalize everyone who owned a hoop court back in the 1920s, there was barely any decrease in people's interest or consumption of it, the mafia and other organized crime rings just took over distribution from legitimate bars, brewers & distillers, thousands of people poisoned themselves and died from attempting to organize their own underground 'sneakeasy' games. So after only a decade of this insanity the government finally threw their hands up and gave up on alcohol - i mean 'basketball' prohibition, which we now study historically as an unprecedented failure in government overreach & social control. Yet for some idiotic reason persists to this day if we replace sports with cannabis, cocaine, mdma, lsd, mushrooms, dmt, opiates, amphetamines, ketamine, pcp, and any number of other potentially risky but widely beloved recreational activities. (Not to sound like an anti-sportsite, but I might also point out that out of all that list of drugs, even the scariest ones like heroin and meth, none of them result in brain damage even close to the same degree experienced by professional boxers and football players, which they willingly submit themselves to because they are paid millions of dollars and receive public adoration for being really good at something that involves getting hit in the head over and over and over again and getting dozens of concussions starting from adolescence until they are forced by CTE or other health problems to retire before age 40. That life path being considered aspirational (and sometimes one of the only opportunities for uneducated people of color and others growing up in impoverished communities who are athletically inclined, to legitimately escape the cycle of minimum wage dead end jobs, unemployment or a career in crime) we call totally normal and the American Way, but if one of those pro athletes dares to use steroids or uppers or nonprescribed painkillers to make them a little bit better at throwing a ball, running around, giving other people head injuries and getting up to do it again the next day? SHAME ON THOSE CHEATING WEASELS!!1)

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I have massive amounts of respect for you all, but I don't know if I buy that baseball bat analogy. I'm not in the mental health field, but since borderline (+ histrionic) has a pretty solid connection to the hysteria diagnosis, feel like it can be problematized as a potentially anti-feminist diagnosis (from what I've read as an anthropologist from other non-clinicians, it seems part of the social science argument on this front is that some BPD symptoms can be framed as a reaction to patriarchal systems--interpersonal or otherwise--or put another way, to constant patriarchal trauma). It's within the realm of possibility. Don't see how it could hurt to rethink the diagnosis, potentially reframe it or take seriously how it's been shaped in a way that's used to hurt women 🤷🏻‍♀️Considering that history (and the patriarchy we're all wading it), it seems like a logical conclusion that something may have polluted the diagnostic criteria, or whether all of those criteria are necessary pathological. Again, not a clinician, but as Bob says, you don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater in order to think critically about, and potentially rework, a concept. A little more nuance here would've been cool. regards, nasty woman with bpd* *or at least diagnosed with it