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'Indian' or 'Native American' [Reservations Part 0] (Patreon)

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2019-11-24 17:34:37
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2020-05

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It's time to start a story for another time.  

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'Indian' or 'Native American'? [Reservations, Part 0]

Thank you to my patrons for making this video possible: https://www.patreon.com/bePatron?u=227816 Special thanks: Amelia Grant, Andrea Di Biagio, Awoo, Bear, Ben Schwab, Bob Kunz, Bobby, Carlin, Chris Amaris, Chris Chapin, Christian Cooper, chrysilis, Colin Millions, Dag Viggo Lokøen, Darcy Morrissey, David F Watson, David Palomares, David Tyler, Derek Bonner, Derek Jackson, Donal Botkin, Elizabeth Keathley, Elliot Lepley, Emil, emptymachine, Erik Parasiuk, Esteban Santana Santana, Everett Knag, Freddi Hørlyck, Fuesu, George Lin, Guillermo, Henry Ng, Hunter S Zimmerman, iulus, James Hoskins, Jason Lewandowski, Jeffrey Podis, John Buchan, John Lee, John Rogers, Jordan Earls, Joshua Jamison, ken mcfarlane, Kermit Norlund, Kevin Costello, Kevin McLain, Kodi, Leon, Maarten van der Blij, Marco Arment, Martin, Maxime Zielony, Michael Mrozek, Michael Reilly, Michael Williams, Mikko, MJ, Nevin Spoljaric, Nick Fish, Nick Gibson, NotGac, سليمان العقل, Orbit_Junkie, Peter Lomax, Phil Gardner, Rhys Parry, Richard Barthel, Richard Jenkins, rictic, Robert Webb, Ron Bowes, Saki Comandao, Shallon Brown, Shantanu Raj, ShiroiYami, Stephen Drollinger, Steven Grimm, Steven Snow, Tómas Ãrni Jónasson, Tex Simon, ThatGuyGW, Thunda Plum, Tijmen van Dien, Tristan Watts-Willis, Tyler Bryant, Veronica Peshterianu Music by: http://www.davidreesmusic.com

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Anonymous

The Story for Another Time. That time is Now. Knowing that this has been 5 years in the making is all the sweeter.

Anonymous

What about Aboriginal American? Same?

Anonymous

The one thing I never see addressed here is the demonym for people coming from India. And I never had any issues saying I'm Indian anywhere other than the US to signify that I'm from India. I do not speak for the US-Indians since it's not my place but when the rest of the world has one definition of Indian, it makes no sense to use a misnomer as an identifier. Also, saying American Indian doesn't help either since there are naturalized and natural born Americans of Indian descent.

Anonymous

Thanks grey my mom didn't like the word Indian or native american ... sigh I know .

Anonymous

I just say my tribe name and shes happy but the us government doesn't acknowledge my tribe were still in the process of being recognized federally 🤦‍♂️

Mike Totem

This was so interesting, as I've never been 100% sure about what to call "them" without insulting them. This was a part of the answer, so now I know a bit more. Huge thanks from Denmark :-)

Anonymous

I never thought this would actually be made. And it looks like it’s a series!

Anonymous

Personally, I do my best to name the specific nation or language group when discussing the "first peoples". So when discussing a person or place or specific story I would use "ojibwe", "cree", "micmac", "innu", "inuit", etc. Here in Canada "Indian" is pretty much falling out of use, as it is so confusing given how many cities support a large south Asian population. So for journalistic and academic purposes the only word that is accurate and appropriate, when you wish to describe all first people as a whole is "indigenous".

Anonymous
>>29335711

Yes, this. As a college student with "Indian" heritage (that is, Choctaw Nation of Oklahoma) who goes to a school with many "Indian" students (that is, from the country in South Asia) in South Dakota (an area with a large Lakota "Indian" population), this is definitely the main confusion. Most people I know around here aren't uncomfortable using "Native American" & "Indian" interchangeably, but often find themselves having to say "American Indian" or "Indian-as-in-from-India" to clarify (usually saying "American Indian" = "Native American" & "Indian American" = "An American person who's family came from India", but that hasn't caught on as completely standard)

matt

so happy this is happening.

Anonymous
>>29339467

Over my lifetime in Canada the term "First Nations" seems to have gained primacy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Nations "Collectively, First Nations,[4] Inuit,[11] and Métis[12] (FNIM) peoples constitute Indigenous peoples in Canada, Indigenous peoples of the Americas, or "first peoples".[13] "First Nation" as a term became officially used beginning in 1980s to replace the term "Indian band" in referring to groups of Indians with common government and language.[14][15] The term had come into common usage in the 1970s to avoid using the word "Indian", which some Canadians considered offensive.[16][17][18] No legal definition of the term exists. Some indigenous peoples in Canada have also adopted the term First Nation to replace the word "band" in the formal name of their community.[19] A band is a "body of Indians (a) for whose use and benefit in common lands ... have been set apart, (b) ... moneys are held ... or (c) declared ... to be a band for the purposes of" the Indian Act by the Canadian Crown.[20] The term Indian is a misnomer given to indigenous peoples of North America by European explorers who erroneously thought they had landed on the Indian subcontinent. The use of the term Native Americans, which the US government and others have adopted, is not common in Canada. It refers more specifically to the Indigenous peoples residing within the boundaries of the United States.[21] The parallel term "Native Canadian" is not commonly used, but "Native" (in English) and "autochtone" (in Canadian French; from the Greek auto, own, and chthon, land) are. Under the Royal Proclamation of 1763, also known as the "Indian Magna Carta,"[22] the Crown referred to indigenous peoples in British territory as tribes or nations. The term First Nations is capitalized. Bands and nations may have slightly different meanings. Within Canada, First Nations has come into general use for indigenous peoples other than Inuit and Métis. Individuals using the term outside Canada include U.S. tribes within the Pacific Northwest, as well as supporters of the Cascadian independence movement. The singular, commonly used on culturally politicized reserves, is the term "First Nations person" (when gender-specific, "First Nations man" or "First Nations woman"). A more recent trend is for members of various nations to refer to themselves by their tribal or national identity only, e.g., "I'm Haida", or "We're Kwantlens", in recognition of the distinctive First Nations.[23] ..."

Anonymous

A (minor) problem with the term "native" is that it can sometimes be used to distinguish between someone who has American citizenship by birth compared to someone who is an immigrant. I suppose "natural born Citizen" is what should be use rather than "native". The US constitution limits the office of President to those who are "natural born Citizens", so if both of your parents were not citizens and you were born outside the USA, you are out of luck for the most part. Things would certainly be different if the President had to be a "Native American".

Kenna
>>29335684

You don't hear Aboriginal used in the US. You will hear it from time to time in Canada, but if you say Aboriginal to an American, they're likely going to think Australia, not Native American.

Rokisha

I can't thank you enough for taking the time to setup context for your videos. That's hard to do and I appreciated it. ( the youtube comment section is a mine-feild)

David Perek

I do find this topic of misguided external cultural sensitivity to be interesting. Some people have tried to call "Japan" by its domestic name of "Nippon" in English usage hilariously even though people in Japan are happy with their English name, with conjugates like "Nipponese". I have never met a single Japanese person who understands that, especially as they use terms like "JPOP" and "JLeague".

Crissa Kentavr
>>29353760

...Which led to some hilarious results when it was found out the Californian driver database truncated all nationalities to three letters. The slur for Japanese is what you get if you truncate to the first three letters...

ThirdKind

Am I the only one who grew up reading some Social Studies books that actually called them Amerindians? Even as a kid I was like dude seriously?

Anonymous
>>29366154

I remember reading a scifi book where they did that. I think it was the Uplift trilogy.

LonMcGregor

Great video! Also, https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?user=CGPGrey <- RSS Feed. Works better than the youtube sub box.

Tedd

Two short notes about the ballad of accidental suspension: 1. I am subscribed to your email list and have the 'videos' option enabled, and yet haven't received a notification about videos for at least 30 days. 2. Aren't you involved with Nebula? I believe you are, but haven't heard anything about it from you. If you're trying to get out from under Youtube's thumb and gain a second channel of communication to your audience, why not advertise for Nebula? Understandable why you wouldn't mention it on Youtube, but I'm plugged into your Patreon and email list. Through both, as in point 1, I've heard nothing.

Anonymous

I used to live a few miles away from the Akwesasne Indian Reservation. I always called them Indians because I thought that's what they wanted to be called. My wife always objected and thought that (white people) would be offended unless I said "Native Americans". We're now divorced. Not the only reason, but part of a whole.

Anonymous

An interesting point is one that Slavoj Zizek repaets in his many youtube videos- that a Native American/American Indian friend of his will not be told by anyone that he shouldn't use or should get offended at the use of the term "Indians" because he says the term shows that it's white people who were stupid, not knowing where they are going or who they are looking at.

Anonymous

I have one main objection to the use of the word indian: Semantic overload It describes both Native american groups that live in the united states, as well as the people of India.

Anonymous

Apropos of nothing, and not trying to be an SJW, but I’ve wondered whether the phrase “off the reservation” is offensive to...um...the people who live there.

Anonymous
>>31676139

The use of Indian in describing the people of the Indian subcontinent can be as problematic as the term Native American, as it encompassed many disparate ethnic groups that have historically been locked in conflict, and still are today. The country of India mostly arises from the unification against British occupation, and not any particular majority ethnic group.

Anonymous

i knew reservations used Indian but as to overinclusivity, i figure inuit, first nations, native americans & indigenous (being south america here though admittedly also used in Oceana) all refer to different peoples based on geography. first nations and native american at least differentiate between Canada and the US which Indian didn’t. Also it aligns more with Australia using aboriginal. (maori is the name new Zealand natives use right? or did white people hear something wrong and make up their own interpretation?) ALL THAT SAID, chosen name matters most, but it often varies within a group, like black & african american. it’s when it gets used overly derogatorily (negro) that it should be eliminated unless/until it is reclaimed. it seems in this case indian is more like queer—although in full circularity some people consider that overly inclusive. 😒