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WARNING #1: END OF THE MONTH!!! UNSUBSCRIBE NOW if you don't want your subscription to renew for next month. If you don't unsubscribe, you'll be charged and renewed on the 1st of December.

WARNING #2: The GAME PATCH is coming! Tomorrow or day after, something like that. Be prepared for some breakage.... (I'll do my best to update if needed as fast as possible, as usual of course...)

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Nov. 30: Updated to fix issue preventing bf / gf couples from getting the new options

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ON TO THE MOD STUFF

--- Here come some new features ----

First, I believe I've been clear about this with my three recent posts but - I must categorical insist that MODULE 10 IS STILL NOT FULLY FINISHED. Find at the bottom of this post the list I shared of what I am still going to add to this very portion of it. Notice I'm not using my usual 'official' release format and still haven't merged the files of module10 etc so nobody forgets this is still a work in progress.
On the Upside, if you want to use the custody visit system already, you CAN, as it is READY! :D

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THANK YOU to all of you. For being with me every step of the way, and being as patient as you've been / are being. Once again, I just can't tell you how much this means to me. You keep me afloat in many ways.

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How to Install:

THIS IS OUT OF DATE SO FILES ARE NOT HERE ANYMORE, check MOD INDEX POST.

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The usual "first release" warning

For all that I've tested this a lot and others have tested it yesterday without issues - there might always be things hat just didn't pop up due to not having played out every single scenario possible. So, if you notice anything off, be it in text or in functionalities, please DO let me know! I will jump to investigate and fix it.

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Some tips about the system

 (copied from yesterday's post if someone  missed it):

TIP#1: You CAN use the custody thing even if your Sims have already divorced before the new features were out

- Grab the extra optional archive below as well as the main one. Go under "Actions" then "woohoo wellness" then "separate permanently (angry)" and it will pretend that your sims got separated through the mod, which will make them able to do custody etc. Once all done (if divorced), click 'finalize divorce".

TIP#2: You can change the type of separation (amicable or not)

- Go under "Actions" then "woohoo wellness" then "switch permanent separation type" and it will have switched it from whatever it was to whatever it wasn't

TIP #3: You can cheat-use court to decide custody for amicable separations, and use mutual agreement for non-amicable

- If you want to do that, find these options under 'action' then 'woohoo wellness' instead of the usual conversation menus.

TIP #4: If Sims are on the same lot, the interaction to bring / send children for a visit will be in the dialogue options. If Sims aren't on the same lot, the option is when clicking on your own sim and is a phone call.

TIP #5: Key Explanations on the custody visits

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FOR WHAT IS NOT FINISHED AND WILL BE NEXT MONTH:

Unfortunately this list is bigger than I wished... The visit system ate up a lot of my time and sanity, and with the patch coming...
HERE IS WHAT IS STILL MISSING FROM THE MODULE. These are thankfully not very hard things to add so they will go much, much faster than the tricky things did. (Long story short: the 'system' is done, the 'storytelling-focused' aspects are still missing.)

* If unamicable separation, "Ask for a visit" / "ask to take the kids on a visit" can either have a decent reaction and agree, on in rare cases get displeased and refuse.
* Ability to call to extend visit, which may be accepted or rejected.
* Children will have reactions to custody decision (a general one due to the situation and another reaction which depends on what parent they went with depending on relationship with parent)
* Parents will get reactions to sending children to visit. Relieved to get a break, worried that a despised ex be not taking good care of the child or slandering the Sim, that kind of thing.
* When a Sim picks up / drops of a child, they will stay for 30 min to an hour then leave (right now they either leave immediately or stay an undetermined amount of time)
* Cycle auto visits: child goes to other parent for a day every 4-5 day. For now this is unavailable as one piece of the puzzle is still missing for lack of time. Very close to done.
* Social interactions!!! Enthuse / complain about court decision, talk to a visiting child about their school, friends, and life in the other home. Children when angry might tell a parent they prefer the other one.
* Should children be able to ask to go on a visit? If so, I can do that. I just want to see if it makes sense to you, first.
* Texts and Phone calls!! Those are the ones I have planned out: Asking for a visit, asking for money for child's school trip, asking to not pay support this time because of financial duress, call to discuss child's good / bad grades / behavior (resulting in available conversation option with the child).
* Pets!! 'Custody' discussions and visits for our fluffy friends, too. Not finished yet for lack of time but well started.
* The Financial Decisions! Amicable separations will discuss splitting of finances. Unamicable situations will have court decide if more funds need to be moved around or not. Criteria are each household's wealth, who has custody (if children exist), and careers.
* The Child Support thing. I was not planning to go crazy in depth on that as other mods have that feature, but you know, your basic 'must give x amount of money every x period of time', so I went simple. But. I want to make it so that some parents can fail / refuse to pay because unfortunately these things happen. If I do that, I also need to add consequences, etc. So. This piece needs a lot more time so I can figure out exactly how crazy or not crazy to go with it and implement in consequence. If other mods already have these aspects etc, let me know and I will stick to simple.
* And of course, the doable stuff that higher tiers are suggesting in the dedicated post.

And that's it for now! 

Till later,

- Lumpinou

Comments

ashley

thank you

Anonymous

thank you so much!!

julietjuly

This is amazing, and thank you.

Anonymous

This is incredible! WHW & this module have become absolutely essential to my gameplay, so thank you for always working so hard on these mods! ♥

Anonymous

Thank you so much for all you do

Anonymous

I couldn't find this info in the posts so I apologize if I glanced over it. What goes into deciding custody? I just had a sim divorce, four children involved, and she won all four children with no job. She's got $300,000 in the bank and a mansion unlike the ex-husband, but I was surprised she got all of them! :)

lumpinou

The criteria are job and career level, real estate worth, money in the bank, lawyer level, family ties, and a few other things which I'm forgetting right now ; I haven't added yet trait impact but that will be added in in a few days (after the game patch has passed). I will re check tomorrow that it is set properly to recalculate for every child, as also getting custody of one child counts in the balance against getting custody of more if the finances etc are too strained for that. But the mansion and the bank money sound like they may well have done it! I think I may do well to also add a chance factor? Like, a little chance factor as would happen in real life as in, justice isn't always a precise calculation. And I should do that for adoption too I think.

Anonymous

Thank you so much for your hard work, my sims will divorce more often now 😅

Anonymous

Thank you so much. I am currently playing the Pancake household they went to court and Bob got custody of their child. Loving the drama.

Anonymous

I don't have the words to tell you how awesome you are - every single mod you put out, I adore, and I could probably live without every single mod I have, except yours. You've changed the game, you're amazing, please don't overdo it and burn yourself out, we are not worthy.

Anonymous

I love this mod so much and I've been so looking forward to the custody feature but I must be doing something wrong because I can't get it working - I've had my Sims divorce and hired a divorce lawyer but can't find the option to discuss custody (it isn't there under the pie menu). Is there something I could be missing? Thank you so much!

Anonymous

I don't have a option in action to discuss custody

Anonymous

I can't get it to work. Maybe its conflicting with my other mods.

Anonymous

Does custody only work for divorced parents or does it also work for parents who don't live in the same household and never got married?

lumpinou

💢💥👋 EDIT: I updated with a fix on Nov. 30 Commenting my own post 😂 to let you all know there is an issue with bf/gf couples (as opposed to married) not getting all options, which I am working on fixing now. For married couples, I am not having any issue and testers didn't either. If you are having difficulty, please provide as much info as possible about the situation from the get go. Thank you! 💢💥👋

Anonymous

I always love more options for children so definitely want them to be able to ask :)

Anonymous

I downloaded it but its not showing me any text, do you know what the problem could be? Thank you so much for all the effort you put on your mods

Anonymous

Is there a list of all the files I need for it to operate?

Anonymous

Hi, having a slight issue. Everytime my sims woohoo without a condom their relationship is negatively affected (tbh a couple times when they used a condom it happened as well, but not often so I figured that was just a glitch). I had one ask to stop using condoms, they both agreed to it, but it's still happening. Is this a setting I need to turn off? I don't want to get rid of this portion of the mod because I love all the paternity options but it's wrecking their relationship :(

Anonymous

Just wanted to say thank you I’m having fun with this update! Is custody determined solely on income? I don’t see how my sims’ drug addicted mother got custody over the husband.

Anonymous

Thank you for this mod. I can't seem to find the phone option to send child for visitation. The parents live on separate lots.

Jaylin Taylor

Hello! I am a long time user of this mod and I love it so much, I just have a quick question. My sims are recently divorced, living in separate households, and the father got custody of the kids. I want the mom to have the kids for the weekend so I was him if I could have the kids. I picked to have them for two days and got the notification that my kid was coming over. A minute later, I got another notification saying that the father was going to pick them up in a min. My kids never showed up but the father did. Is there was a glitch or something I had done?

Anonymous

Hi! I have a Sim who was divorced twice before I downloaded any of the WooHoo Wellness mod. He has a child with each of his ex-wives. I've tried using the custody system by adding the PermanentSeparation bit to his relationships with his ex-wives. For some reason, no option of the Make Up/Break Up section appears whatsoever. I've even tried adding the Trait_Separation_BrokenUpOrDivorced trait to the sims and still, nothing relating to the divorce or custody system appears. Eventually, after figuring out how to apply custody relationship bits to the Sims and child Sims, I can get the dad to ask his ex for their child to visit, etc. Or I can just make the Sims get married again and then separate them so I can use the divorce and custody system, but I don't want them to get married again. I would still like to use how the custody system was originally intended though and get lawyers and fight for custody, etc and not just get the end result, if that makes sense. I'm not sure if I'm doing any thing wrong or any other mod I have has clashed with this mod. I just don't know why it isn't working properly for me even after I added the PermanentSeparation bit, etc. Apart from this, the mod is great and I really enjoy it so thank you for all the hard work! I hope I explained my problem correctly.

ChelleBelle716

Hi! I too have a question. I have a couple who had a child together while boyfriend/girlfriend. They subsequently broke up and are both now married to other sims. and have both had children with their spouses. (When the couple broke up, I didn't have your mods yet so they broke up through the game.) Would your mod work for me in this scenario so they can make custody arrangements for the child they share? I tried adding the "permanently separated" bit along with the amicable bit, but no options for anything ever showed up, so I exiting the game without saving so the changes to the bits would not be saved. I was nervous that I was going to mess something up. To make it work, would I have to also add the "divorced" bit even though they were never actually married? Thank you in advance.

Sam D.

I think I tried to ask this earlier but not sure it posted since I can't find it now. First- thank you for your hard work and creativity! This is about compatibility of WHW with Wicked Whims and MCC /MC WooHoo. I apologize for asking about this, but I am a little confused. Do I need to remove module 2 (risk) if I am using WW (I did download the add on for WW)? I do see how to use the setting for risk with regard to MC WooHoo, if that module is in game. Thanks for your repsonse. For now, I have taken module 2 out, until I hear from you- thanks!

Anonymous

hello i have joined patron just for this mod however i have been struggling with activating it or downloading it i have it downloaded and the mod settings on but it wont start up, this is my first mod any suggestions

lumpinou

You can't just add the custody not as that's just one tiny part of the puzzle. You also need the 'divorcing' bit. If things aren't working out I advise leaving it be until I add a more easy cheat to make things retroactive... It's a bit of work but I'll do it

Anonymous

Hi, I’m having an issue with the mod update. I can’t see text in the bubbles and somehow had the MC I’m playing lose custody of her son to the jobless father. Is this a glitch or did I not download something that was needed? I replaced all the files I had with the new one

lumpinou

Custody looks at various factors so nothing is impossible if other factors played in his favor vs hers. For the text, are you using a translation and if not, can you make sure you don't have any old files in

Anonymous

cant wait to try thank you so much <3

Anonymous

I have 2 Sims that have custody agreed upon but can only request a visit when they live together.

lumpinou

They're supposed to not live together, did you try the phone call?

Anonymous

So I don't have the option for a phone call unless they live together, I tried moving him out but no visit option

lumpinou

You looked under 'relationship wellness'? What about in 'actions'?

Anonymous

Does this mod only work for young adults and up? My teenager can’t do the custody thing with her child?

lumpinou

No not as of now. Teens are particular cases as it can be that a parent or grandparent, etc, will end up in charge and the current system can't support that so that's why. There'd need a different system for teens that takes into account their being potentially underage etc

Anonymous

Ooh ok so once both the parents age to young adults do you think I can start the custody agreement or would I have to get married then divorce

Anonymous

Happy December! I hope you're doing well. Thank you for all the hard work you've put into your mods. You've put a lot of love into our community. I wanted to double-check for compatibility with one of Zero's mods. He has an autonomous breakup/autonomous divorce mod. It's got a bunch of conditions before it will fire - half romance for breakup, half romance/half friendship for divorce, has to have a negative sentiment, trait conditions. Do you know if these two will play well together? Here's his post with the mod, if that'll help: https://www.patreon.com/posts/bg-autonomous-up-52371553 Edit: He also has an "Ask for Divorce" mod that seems to duplicate some of this, so I'm assuming they don't play well together at all? Just want to make sure. Here's his post on that: https://www.patreon.com/posts/ir-divorce-32118547

Anonymous

Hi! I am experiencing a possible glitch/error? I am not sure. My sim decided to have a baby via surrogate. The baby is ready, i have invited surrogate over, clicked the "Ask about pregnancy progress(already gave brith), I get the dialogue box saying the baby can now join my household but then nothing. I have tried uninstalling and reinstalling, removing all other mods, double checekd MCC was on 0% risk, and nothing is working. Help?

lumpinou

Where does your sim live and what other mods do you have that could impact pregnancy

Anonymous

Hi, thank you for all you do. All your mods work fine in my game but the only thing I have a problem with is the teen pregnancy. For some reason my teen never gets pregnant even when I set the chance to 100%. I don't know if its because I have a conflicting mod or what because everything else works perfectly. I also don't have wonderful or wicked whims installed. Help plz? Again thank you for your mods.

Anonymous

im truly confused about the phone call option i want to send my kid away but the only way is to call the dad over

lumpinou

Under relationship wellness then make up break up is the option to call

Anonymous

how can i get this to work? it still is only allowing me to divorce, no other options for custody or anything else?

lumpinou

Did you fully switch out all files and what is the Sim's situation

Anonymous

I just installed every module for the first time. new family, moved them in and seperated, i restarted family and separated every way and still nothing.

lumpinou

First, do you see the rest of the options for this mod? If not, you have an installation or a game setting problem. Second, what did you use to divorce?

Anonymous

I see everything from module 1-9 , I redid it a couple of times. I'm going to retry tonight when I get a chance to. To divorce I used the relationship wellness/makeup and break up option and selected divorce both angrily and civilly. Then i even tried to do it from actions/relationship wellness and divorce angrily came up so i did that and even then it didnt work. I just divorced them, no option. then i tried again and divorced then finalized divorce and same. Do i have to do anything extra, or will a pop up for custody show?

lumpinou

Finalize is the last step, after arranging custody. Tell me more about the Sims involved

Anonymous

I don’t have the calling option about custody in my game

lumpinou

Did the Sims arrange for custody already? Have you tried with another household?

Anonymous

Yes. Is that an option before ?

lumpinou

I don't understand the question. Go to the other parent and see if they can call

Mendy

Hi Lumpinou! Quick question. Did you add the Emergency Birth Controll Pill to this mod? 😶 I just noticed it 😁

lumpinou

Been there since the beginning thereabouts... It could use a few improvements though haha

Mendy

Oh. I feel so dumb right now. Never noticed it before. I'm so sorry!

Anonymous

Hey! I'm playing through this module and my sims have started the divorce proceedings and have both been to see a lawyer but when I go back to the relationship wellness menu, there are no other options for either of them to complete the divorce or follow through with custody. How do I get to finalizing the divorce?

Anonymous

hey i cant see the custody on my game any idea why

Anonymous

Hello! I'm playing with this new part of the module, had a couple with two daughters divorce, one kid lives with the dad, the other with the mom. Got the one who lives with the dad to visit the mom, but now she's not going back home automatically? The days have passed and I've tried loading up the dad's household to see if she'd transfer back at that point, but still not, do you know what I could do to make her go back to the dad without using the "move out of household" base game function? Thanks for your help!

lumpinou

There's an interaction called 'call to ask to get kids back early' or something like that, which I put to get them early and solve cases of things getting somehow stuck, do you see it?

Anonymous

Yeah I saw it one of the times, but it doesn't appear all the time, i'm not sure why. Like rn both the kids are at the dad's and when I'm in the mom's game and click on her, that option isn't there, but the options of "call ex to ask for visit" and "call ex to send child to visit" are available instead

Anonymous

Hello, I hope all is well! I recently downloaded the update to your mod and added the optional custody folder as I had a couple who already divorced before I downloaded the update. When I do the instructions to separate amicably, the social interaction menu only shows a gavel icon with no text and the 2 other options, the greyed out one & the finalize divorce. How do I fix this?

Anonymous

Hi! Is custody an adoption if the parents never had romance? The choices aren’t popping up for me

Anonymous

There’s a bit of a problem with the ask to move out part, it isn’t working, how do I fix this?

Anonymous

I absolutely love your mods! With the surrogate feature, I've not been able to send the child to the parents. I've aged them to a child and still cant send them back (don't even have an option to send them back). Also, is the surrogate supposed to get paid for carrying another sim's baby? Also, it shows my sims as being the surrogate child's mother.

lumpinou

Yes they get paid when they send the child. If you are talking about the family tree, that is normal. If you are talking about the sim profile, that is not. Did you read the thing under 'issues and limitations' to find the debug options for when kids get stuck

Anonymous

Thank you! I just read that section and will try surrogacy again!