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Interesting question (Patreon)

Published:
2017-02-13 16:10:56
Edited:
2017-02-23 13:54:38
Imported:
2021-01

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Hi to everyone!)

Today I would like to lift one theme, which excites me for a very long time...
The fact is I always trying to find something new, something what will be interesting for all of you.
But today I see that most people signed for 7$, 25$ and 50$.
It means that most people first want to get a pictures of their OC like sketch/color sketch or full picture.  Anyway it is hard to me to believe that someone gives me 50$ just because I am nice guy X) Of course I understand all, and of course I am really happy to know that so much people want a picture from me^w^ Of course I with pleasure drawing your OCes, but one thing bothers me:
As we all know - theme of OCes is not most popular theme. And each time, when I draw another OC, primarily it is personal work for one and it is not very interesting for others(
At this moment most part of my gallery is pictures with OC and I just afraid, as I already said, it is not the most interesting content I do.

But what is "interesting content"? What it means? What I need to do to it will be  interesting for the most people?
For a long time I watched other people, their Patreons and  "patreon rewards".
And the observations showed me that the most interesting content for people is "exclusive content". But what is this "exclusive content"?
All my standard pictures you can find on my DA without any donating...
What I have to do special for you? What will be interesting for you under name of "exclusive content "?
Of course now I saying about erotic and NSFW content because usually people names it as "exclusive content ".

I thinking about it for a long time, maybe I just was afraid to ask but I really want to ask:
Would you be interested in this "exclusive content"?
What you think about it?

Please, leave any comment because it is really interesting to me what you think about it)

And thank you for your attention^_^

Comments

Aryte

I am happy to support you either way. :)

Anonymous

I'm personally not a big fan of "pay walls", but I can understand where you're coming from. Honestly, I find the OC drawings fairly interesting regardless. Even if it's not my character, I can find enjoyment in seeing what others have come up with. Your style is just a pleasure to see. Maybe you could do polls that people could vote on the determine your next big work piece?

Taloverae

Hah, I'm one of those people who signed up to get an art from you in lieu of the seemingly impossible to get traditional commission slot! I'm in another patreon that does the 'NSFW' stuff and what they do there is have people submit ideas one week, and the next week the options are put up to a vote. Ties and contests are usually handled as a rerun of the polling. I'm sure what whatever you do would be pretty sweet c:

Anonymous

Возможно в последствии я и попрошу чего-нибудь нарисовать... если можно, чегож не попросить ;) Но первоначальный порыв был именно из-за того, что понравилось творчество.

Ren

I support you because of the art you make, not for any exclusive content. I like it best when you produce art of popular characters and post it publicly, so that everyone can enjoy the art.

Anonymous

NSFW не нужен. Ну конечно по началу была такая хотелка чтобы ты сделал арт по моей идее в принципе пара даже выгорела, но смотрю в последнее время тебе не до них , ну что ж бывает. Мне всё равно нравятся твои работы да и действительно ты хороший парень, так что мне не жаль отдавать 5% своих доходов на твою поддержку). Осы конечно не так интересны, но на них приятно смотреть и они не выглядят как продукция прессового производства под различным лакокрасочным покрытием) Что круто. Мне больше интересны твои оригинальные работы с сюжетом с различными персонажами будь то персонажи основной шестёрки, олени и прочие.

Anonymous

Maybe I'm not good supporter (ya know what I mean xd), but I love your works, for.. I have no idea for how long. And I'm always glad that you don't make NSFW shit (For me it's nothing interesting). I follow you and admire you, that you are able to, well I will say directly, get money for you works without this NSFW stuff. I love looking on your arts, even when they are only OCs (because of you, my wallpaper changes like 2 times in a week >.>). But as I said, I'm not regular supporter and I don't know if I should say anything here. However maybe soon I will get "money source" and really I wouldn't like you to change your content. But in the end the decission is yours and your currently supporters :P. I think poll would be a good option. People could vote if they want this "exclusive stuff" or not.

Anonymous

To be honest, i'm not really interested in nsfw content... Let me tell you why: if you start to make clop drawings ofc people will say at first: oh look, he can do such thing, how cool is this?! How kinky and stuff... But after the first surprise you will be one of from the thousands, who draws nsfw. And it's not really unique in 2017, although it's true there are not many high quality/high detailed nsfw picture, but it has a reason, you can't upload it to DA,EQD, etc safe sides, and ppl can't use it as a bg or something, so it has a great downside... You can watch once, and then usually hide somewhere into the porn folder, because you know, you really don't want to explain to your mother or boss or non-brony/furry friends why do you like to watch drawings about colorful ponies from a cartoon as they fuk each other ( many times with some toy and fetish are included too). This is nooot reaaallly what i would write into my CV:D Aka i have like 60GB sorted, good clop pictures on my hhd, but i haven't seen 99% of them since it was downloaded. Also there is 1% what i use, and personally i think those are the most valuable, because i can use those as references. Actually, that's why i like you sketches (and like them more then the colored pictures), because i can use them to learn. And this is what i always seek: more tutorials. I worst case speedpaints are ok, better then nothing, but a when you can see in real time how someone draws a thing, even he says what he does and why, that's a true treasure... <insert bagging="" eyes="" pony=""> Another good things: streaming. It makes ppl feel they are involved, they can ask, suggest etc. And peeps likes to be involved^^ Overall, art streams are not really about the art itself, but the community. tl;dr I'm not saying don't do clops if you want, but personally, right now it doesn't care me at all:/ </insert>

JockeTF

Perhaps you should just half the number of requests and draw what you want instead? I love your art and would definitely support you no matter what you decide.

Anonymous

Actually, I started following you because the art you drew for other people was good. Yes, I want you to draw something for me some day, but I enjoy looking at other OCs when they are well drawn. (No NSFW please)

L4m3ness

I personally like OC content when it's done interestingly - which means uncommon poses, effects (fire etc), things like armour or dresses (e.g. the druid pony) etc. And you do such artwork and in a very impressive quality. You got my attention when you started drawing armoured bat ponies and many of the recent pictures make me think "Hey, I kinda want one of my ideas done in that quality as well, even if it costs a little". While I don't mind NSFW content, I don't think it would change anything about my donation behaviour. I started following you, since I want more of above content - and if I have to choose between NSFW and regular content, I prefer the regular one. There is enough NSFW sources out there anyways. I started to support you because I want to make sure that this quality content keeps coming - and to occasionally get a sketch of some interesting pose/action picture that pops up in my mind (probably generally using a canon character for that for a wider audience, e.g. Rainbow Dash). So in principle, I'm one of those "commission flatrate"-patreons^^

Anonymous

it's our honor to donate to support artist and learn from your drawing.Reward？fine by us XD about exclusive，i think sometimes pretty figure or gesture（some may be suggestive ？） is far more attractive than some exclusive ones（does exclusive just means sexual？）but often it is not easy to imagine a gesture that attracts many watchers.artists may have to think hard and hard anyway，draw as you can think，inspiration is not easy to catch but we two wish you can do it.good luck my товарищ！😆

Anonymous

Personally, I'm not interested in NSFW content. That's just me though. I love seeing OC artwork. I think it's wonderful. It's great to see creative work by you and other designs by other people. Seeing other people's OC's draws me in. Especially when it's drawn well with a great pose. I have seen some artists pose some of their art on Deviant Art but not everything. They would post maybe half of what they draw on DA and say "Join my Patreon to see more!" and save some pieces for just here.

aNewLeaf

I don't have any interest in NSFW art. I do have some ideas, though. I think the best thing to offer would be real-time process videos. I absolutely LOVE the videos you have on YouTube, but can't always follow what you're doing. If you could do some more on specific topics, that would be great. Please slow down and also show the same concept multiple times so it's easier to understand. Maybe show the correct and incorrect ways to do it. The way you already show the direction of light and other important information is great. And if you could, definitely record some of the black and white sketching process only! Your full color works are VERY beautiful, but many beginners are still trying to learn anatomy and other basics before moving to painting. Also, using 1920 X 1080 resolution would help your viewers see the small details like tool selection and such. I think recording videos is a better idea than steaming because many of us won't be available during the stream, our internet connections are unreliable and the streams are a much lower resolution. Having the ability to watch the video at any time is best. More static tutorials would be wonderful, too. Is there any way to offer PSD files without having to ask? That could be exclusive content. Thanks for the wonderful, inspiring art!

Yakovlev_Vad

Oh my, thank you very much for all your comments, I really appreciate your opinions and suggestions a lot)) But looks like my text wasn't clear enough and now I even feel a shame /)_(\ First I want to add is: I also don't find erotic and especially NSFW theme interesting to me. But at the same time I see that this theme is interesting for much people and I just can't to ignore this fact. I see a theme of this kind of exclusives only as a way to attract new supporters and no more. I'm not going to completely immersed in this topic, of course not, no no no no no XD I will do all as I usually do + one exclusive picture. Why erotic? You know, the rules of DA forbids the publication of this kind content. This means that this pictures will be exclusives and I will not publish them in my gallery. And of course, when I saying about erotic or nsfw I mean... even don't know... back view or something like that. I'm not a pervert! XD Why I cant do my usual works as exclusives? When I started my Patreon I did so. But Unfortunatly it not works /)_(\ I did my guides as exclusives too (may be my most old supporters remember it) but it also was not interesting for most people. Only thing was interesting for people was Pictures which I did for my Supporters as rewards and I really happy and appreciate it a lot^_^ But, as I said before, I just want to find something new as reward which would to attracts people... But will it works or not I don't know... As it saying: I have to try one time to know it for sure. Anyway I just think about it and want to discuss it with you)) Of course don't be shy to add your comments, as I already said - it is really interesting to me))

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3921102

I tried to do a streams, but to be honest I feel myself a bit uncomfortable with it^^ I really don't know why but I just feel myself constraints, may be I just shy^^ But I will continue to do my guides anyway) what is about " way to offer PSD files without having to ask": You know, it is just a way to protect myself from cheaters and I really sorry for inconvenience^^ But I want to ask: Do you fear me?XD You know, I always writing "don't be shy to ask, I don't bite" and it is true, I really don't bite X) Be sure I will be happy to share my Psd files with you)

Anonymous

Hey Yak! I'll go ahead and put my 2 cents here on your question. The only artists I support are frankly the ones I also get something out of. Not to sound selfish, but there are dozens of 'great' artists out there I adore and love, but I am not swimming in cash to give everyone I like money when I myself need them for commissions to get something out of it. Now an idea though on a higher tier justification, I was getting a constant stream of art from the two artists I supported, and they were thematic (say a series of Anthro Fantasy characters in a setting). Another idea is to do a project and use the tiers for your supporters to get a cameo in it (Pia-sama does that with her comic, for example. Her patreons are featured as minor or background characters in her comic).

Anonymous

Many wrote in the comments that they like OC, but they have absolutely no interest to me. I support you mostly due your Godlike level art of Twilight Sparkle. It's the very beautiful her images on all planet! I think that you should draw NSFW only if you like that on your own, not for bigger ratings. Also i support Brian D about recording videos - it's really cool sort of exclusive content.

Anonymous

In general, if you're going to do NSFW or erotic pictures, do it because you want to. If you are only going to do it to get more people to your Patreon, it's a sell-out move and makes you one of many artists out there. I steer clear of NSFW work since my children are constantly around and I wouldn't want them seeing it. Nor does it interest me at all. I support you because I love your style, your command of colors, your compositions, the whole complete picture. Whether it's a canon character or an OC, it doesn't matter. But I know I can go to your gallery and look at the pictures and be mesmerized by the skill I see there. You're good. I enjoy that. Perhaps maybe a vote where people can choose a character or challenge and you can do a speed paint of it? When doing streams or speed paints, you don't have to get on camera yourself. (I know what it's like to be shy!) And yes, I know you are saying that you don't bite and what anyone can approach you...but some people are intimidated by you because of your talent. Some find good artists to be so far above them that they just can't bring themselves to talk to them. I know because I do that sometimes. Took me a while to actually send you a message, and I've been watching you on DA for a while! :)

Anonymous

I support you because you're an inspiration to me, mainly. I avoid NSFW stuff myself, though suggestive is something I may peek at on occasion. My only other suggestion is, if you're cash strapped, to open some commissions on the side maybe? Im not sure how fast you draw so Im not 100% sure if that's viable. Though most people I've talked with who got into NSFW stuff regretted it after; once you go NSFW it seems like every other fan or artist will see you for that reason. You wont be "the guy who does the super realistic, cool art", youll be "the guy that draws a good plot" ya know? Especially if youre not interested in that kinda thing it can be a bad side effect. Ill still follow you regardless of course!

Biase Deyes

I am glad you've realized the futility of attempting to give everyone who gives you money a picture of their OC. Although your style is so exceptional that I enjoy seeing other's OCs come to life, I follow and support you for your original art you've made in your distinct style. "Anyway it is hard to me to believe that someone gives me 50$ just because I am nice guy X)" You're correct here, I think that most people give you money because of your incredible and unique style. I'd be hard pressed to find an equivalent, even without restricting myself to the pony fandom. Your talent is truly special, and that is why I give you money every month. On that note, you should be aware that the aim of normal and NSFW art is different enough that the same style can have drastically different effects on the viewer when used for mature content. A good example might be MysticAlpha. I gain unique enjoyment from Mystic's SFW pictures, as the gradated shading causes me to stop and take some more time to look at the piece as a whole. His NSFW pics are a different story, as my desire to take in the entire piece precludes lingering, and so the same shading technique ends up being very jarring. It might be difficult to adapt your style into one that fits the unique purposes of NSFW art. Whether or not your style could fit NSFW pieces well *is* an interesting question, and something I'm abstractly curious about. There's a relationship between cuteness, realism, and sexiness that runs the gamut between ECMajor and CaptainPudgemuffin, and I'm sure you could stake out your own niche within it IF YOU WANT TO. And that is really the important point. I've been disappointed with the glut of OC pics because I think it's the pictures that the artist really wants to draw that tend to be their best. I know several artists who draw NSFW pieces for themselves, but never post them, because they don't want that sort of attention. You probably shouldn't make this move just for attention, and it seems like that might be one of your motivations. If you really want to explore NSFW art, I would recommend that you draw a few pieces for yourself first, to test the style and get used to it (or not) before posting anything. Also, if you do post, it might be polite if you created another set of accounts, so that your more prudent watchers might avoid seeing your pornographic pieces while still watching you. That said, not doing so is perfectly fine. I know that I will continue to watch as long as you put something decent out, just as I know that if you leap into r18 without really wanting to do so, your NSFW art is certain to suck. I like the original pieces that you do for yourself, please do more, independent of content rating!

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3926707

Thank you very much for your warm words, I really happy to hear it ^w^ About style and diferense between SFW and NSFW: Of course I understand it all, and at this moment I really don't know what I can say... To be honest I don't see at not safe art anything "absolutely new" for me... May be I am too assertive but I really don't think that to draw "Plots" is more difficult than faces X) Anyway, as I already said, I don't know. I need to try first to know it for sure. Wait! MysticAlpha draw NSFW? O_o Lol. But I can't say I am surprised... I felt it too much times About ECMajor, heh, to be honest I love his anatomy, he is really a master of it, but... sometimes I think it have too much realism^^ Anyway he is a master) "I know several artists who draw NSFW pieces for themselves, but never post them, because they don't want that sort of attention." - Yes, I can to understand it of course. To be honest I also don't want that sort of attention and because it will be as "exclusive" only. "Also, if you do post, it might be polite if you created another set of accounts" - You mean another Patreon?^^ I am not sure it is good idea, but I need to think about it^^ I think I can do it as Preview only and give a link to picture... Anyway will see what I can do...

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3925184

It is really happy to hear^_^ Heh, to be honest I too X) About commissions: I would be happy to open it, but I just can't to open it because I already have full list of "rewards" I have to do. I just really haven't enough time for all think a want (I need) to do/)_(\

Anonymous

I know Russian better that English (i know bad them both actually) so If you don't mind i will use Russian. Sorry for mistake. Не могу сказать, что рисунки ОСов менее интересные чем твои "личные". За ними очень интересно наблюдать, в основном правда с технической точки зрения, ведь все они уникальны и можно почерпнуть что-то новое для себя. Но из них пропала "душа". Мы везде видим пафосных персонажей, смотрящих в горизонт. Пропала та личная, "домашняя составляющая, которую каждый автор привносит в свои работы. Вспомнить серию рисунков с принцессами: Кейденс в ванной, рождественские подарки, так же вспоминается рисунок с Октавией, якобы опаздывающей на репетицию. Мы видим персонажей в движении. В их жизни (Роузлак, испортившая обои, Луна, изрисовавшая документы). И дело не в том, что мы не знаем этих персонажей, Роуз мы то же не знаем, дело в другом. Из рисунков не ушел "интерес", из них ушла душа. На счет NSFW работ-дело твоё. Если Ты поменял свое отношение к этому жанру и Тебе это интересно, то - вперед. Ни чего предрассудительного в этом нет. Может быть это направление вернет и привнесет что-то "личное" в обоих смыслах в твои работы (хотя, если честно, представить такой рисунок в твоем стиле не очень получается) Ну и на последок: что бы Ты не выбрал, я только за. Твои работы вдохновили меня самого взяться за перо планшета, а Твоя помощь, может быть даже больше психологическая, чем техническая помогла в начале. Твори, и пусть весь мир восхищается.

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3929400

Понимаешь, все крутится еще и вокруг того, что Осы, если считать по тем же плюсикам и фавам на DA, не очень то и "взлетают". Так или иначе но это количество просмотров и фавов так же очень хорошо отражает степень популярности того или иного рисунка. Не буду лукавить, но это очень важный момент. Думаю что любой согласиться если я скажу что внимание зрителя - это очень хороший (и важный) мотиватор для любого художника. Конечно собственный интерес превыше всего, но если ты чувствуешь, что это никому не нужно, то рано или поздно в голову начинает все чаще приходить один и тот же вопрос: "А зачем я вообще это делаю?" Что же на счет души то тут ты конечно прав, но оно и не удивительно, ведь рисую Осов я в первую очередь потому что надо, а свои идеи потому что хочется. От сюда и разница в идее и степени "душевности" рисунка. К сожалению здесь очень важен элемент собственного желания( Что же на счет NSFW то мое желание попробовать связано скорее с тем, что я уже больше года очень вдохновляюсь успехами некоторых артистов. Глядя на то, какой "высоты" достигают рисунки Nsfw содержания, а так же на то, сколько иногда за такое выдают... да уж, тут неволей соблазнишься, и я признаться каюсь в этом. Все то время, что я нахожусь в брони сообществе, я всегда отторгал эту тему, считал что все это лишь недразумение. Но годы наблюдений буквально заставили меня понять то, ч о всем на самом деле глубоко пофиг. Люди продолжают рисовать прон, зритель продолжает восторгаться и всеми возможными способами поддерживать подобное направление, все счастливы. Все кроме тех, кто продолжает пытаться своими "бараньими рогами" остановить этот "локомотив". Мне просто надоело, я вижу что народу это нравится, а как художник, в какой то мере зависящий от мнения зрителя, я просто не могу игнорировать этот факт. Я долго ломался и только сейчас решил попробовать. При чем заметь, попробовать, у меня нет никаких амбиций относительно этого, я просто хочу удовлетворить свое любопытство, которое уже очень долго меня мучает( Такие вот пирожки) ну а что их этого получится время покажет...

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3923113

Wow, it is really happy to hear, thank you very much^_^ "I think that you should draw NSFW only if you like that on your own, not for bigger ratings. " - At this moment it is just my curiosity, it torments me, and I want to satisfy it... I really don't know to what I will come, time will show.

Yakovlev_Vad
>>3922638

Hm... I see) You know, the comic is a really great idea, I like comics)) But I afraid I am an artist and I'm not good at story, but comic without interesting story is not good comic( Anyway it is a really interesting)

Anonymous

A little late, but I'm really excited to see what you can achieve exploring other subject matter. Looking forward to your future posts. ^^