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Sales Tax 2: The Maybe Taxening (Patreon)

Published:
2020-06-29 14:00:03
Imported:
2021-01

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First post on the subject <- Most info here, including a link to Patreon's page on it, which I'm also linking here. 

To summarize, depending on where you live, and what's in a reward tier, there may be sales tax on pledges starting July 1st.

I don't think it's applicable to my tiers unless a state or country just applies sales tax to every option. It doesn't sound like it should apply to early access or polls for the majority of patrons.

I'm not 100% sure about that, though, and it sounds like some places might just want to apply sales tax to everything, hence this reminder.

However anyone decides to react to this, I thank everyone for their support, even if it's just reading the comic.

...I assume everyone here reads the comic, I mean... I mean, if you don't, just... What are you even...

Anyway, THANK YOU ALL! :D

Comments

Anonymous

I get this sales tax for a few month now from patreon (I'm from germany though) so, nothing new for me, still pledged to you.

Haunted Hermit

Daily (-ish) reader since early 2000s... a little sales tax won’t stop that.

Esme

Look, I just.. I haven't had time for comics lately. I'll catch up.

John Trauger

It's a measure of patreon's success that governments want to tax it.

Daryl Sawyer

I'm not sure about this "taxing patreon" thing. Sure, if someone's using pledges as a cover for sales (a subscription delivery service type deal), then that might need to be taxed. But for something like a comic (ie. the type of thing Patreon is designed for), that should already be being taxed as income, shouldn't it?

Some Ed
>>39471518

Getting taxed wasn't Patreon's idea. The idea wasn't about Patreon. It's just that it was worded broadly enough that Patreon's included. I'm pretty sure that this is all being rather vaguely worded right now because people are still scrambling to figure out what this all means for businesses like Patreon that were not in the directly intended scope and thus not really considered at all in the drafting of the rules. As I understand it, for Patreon, what it means is a lot of chaos, because I don't believe they had been tracking the details which are being used as the distinctions between what is taxable and not, so they've been having to go through all of the everything here to figure it out. They're doing this now rather than waiting for the IRS to explain it to them, because that's no fun for everybody, and the IRS would probably just say "tax everything."

Cley Faye

/me laugh in French, already paying VAT from the start :D

ijuinkun
>>39471518

In theory, all exchanges of money from one owner to another are taxable events. What is in question is whether the content provided through Patreon should be classified as "goods" or "services". For example, artwork that is permanently shown only to Patreon contributors and not released for free viewing could be considered "goods", whereas "sneak previews" where Patreon contributors get to see the artwork sooner than the general non-paying public could be considered "services".

Anonymous

My Patreon receipt just came in, so I can tell you I'm not being charged GST for some pledges, including to you, and I *am* being charged for others which are almost identical.

Anonymous
>>39607029

Also, I'm being charged tax as an addition to my listed pledge, rather than from it, which is illegal for GST. All prices must include tax here, and if they're charging GST than they're already admitting Australian sales tax applies to my pledge.

egscomics
>>39607029

If I had to guess, they didn't manually set up their tiers as I did, or there's a difference that seems minor to us, but matters for tax code. In the case of the former, without setting things up manually, Patreon would have had to set up things automatically. It may or may not default to "gotta tax this". For the latter, exclusive Tier-locked images could be considered taxable, for example, whereas my polls are not in the majority of places.

Esme
>>39446333

Update: I caught up for now, in a moderately irresponsible binge. Now to fall behind again.