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On the war on disinformation and the war in Gaza. 

Jacob Siegel, senior editor at Tablet, joins us to talk about Hamas's attack on Israel and Israel's assault on Gaza. We also discuss how the US crusade against 'disinformation' has led it to apply counterinsurgency tactics to its own citizens.

Why did Hamas attack when it did? Has it been successful in stopping Israeli-Saudi rapprochement? How much will this change Israeli society? And what does Israel want to achieve in bombing - and soon invading - Gaza? 

Meanwhile, how has domestic politics become war? The state has meshed with corporate power to create an almighty surveillance apparatus. How can we start dismantling it? 

And how do we escape the postmodern hall of mirrors in which high diplomacy and low culture-war merge, in which domestic and international, and peace and war, all blur into each other?

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Arron

Surprised to hear the bunga boys taken in by this guy. Some military bozo writing for unheard. So odd.

Lee Jones

Maybe this guy had some solid points to make about the disinformation system. But it was very hard to take him seriously amid truly outlandish claims: the US strategy is to build up Iran as a counterweight to Israel and Saudi Arabia; the US killed 10 million people in Mosul (population: 3.7m); the entire US ruling class is in bed with China, etc. Rather than challenging this nonsense, Alex was drawn into his crankism, stating that the US was "more totalitarian" than the fascist states of the C20th. The underlying problem here was a deeply conspiratorial worldview which doesn't account for the level of disorder and elite disarray in today's world. Less of this please.