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Dune (1984) and Dune (2021) - re:View (Patreon)

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2021-11-29 21:40:02
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Dune (1984) and Dune (2021) - re:View

Ya'll hear there's a new Dune???? Have you seen DUNE????? Jay is joined by Colin from Canada to discuss the two theatrical adaptations of Dune, one directed by David Lynch and the other directed by some other guy.

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Anonymous

I CANT STOP CUMMING

Conor

Oh my Canadian gods

Anonymous

Now people will stop asking for it.

Anonymous

We are not worthy.

Anonymous

The best part of Dune was all the friends we made along the way

Anonymous

I don't like sand. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere.

Anonymous

DUNCACINO

Manuel Johnen

Is "Dune" replacing "Dune"...? :/ (Sorry, couldn't resist)

Anonymous

Finally....This better be good.

Anonymous

Oh I hope Mike is in this

Stephanie Lloyd

Just needs the crazy Mentat eyebrows from the 84 version and it would be perfect

AshesBoomstick

Damn you guys... I was FIVE MINUTES from going to bed a little later than usual!!! Thank you!

Lisa

Colin! God bless us all, every one!

Joshua Mannix

I hear you all have thoughts and feelings about this cinematic film.

Peter Varga

is this real? or only fantasy??

Jeff Kleist

Need to watch the miniseries so you can see what the Baron is supposed to be. Denis screwed him up big time. There’s an hour missing from this movie, every scene feels like you arrived late and left early. but this is even worse than Lynch. You also need to check out the TV cut of Lynch that restores about 20 minutes of important scenes. Also Denis did not use the word decaliter

Kellic

Corridor Crew did a CGI review of old vs new Dune. There was no CGI in the original Dune at all, so yeah. The shield effect was hand drawn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHPkdMGI6D4

schopi

There's a new Dune??!?

Eli Harold

I was just in the middle of listening to Colin's podcast when you posted this. So glad he's back!

Joshua Cubbin

This isn't the Enemy Mine review

Jeff Kleist

My friend just told me it’s apparently because the studio mandated they get to Zendaya so they could slap her all over the advertising. Instead of doing the logical thing and showing his dreams of her

Anonymous

I watched the old dune after seeing the new one and man was the tonal shift a shocker.

Anonymous

Is it veal-nerve or villain-oove? Any there any Canadians here to help? As a old Brit F1 fan, i've always thought it was the former.

Anonymous

Anyone belong to the RedLetterMedia community on Reddit? I’m new to the app, it won’t let me comment on anything. Says I’m too young. I’m a million years old.

Anonymous

Thank you for your work.

Michael Parker

Great discussion as always! What I took away from this is I'm kind of curious now to actually watch the David Lynch Dune myself. That and the Italian accents makes me want to see Mike and Jay potentially talk about House of Gucci and Jared Leto's supposed train wreck of a performance in that film.

Lisa
>>72737442

It's been forever since I've commented but I never had any trouble.

Anonymous
>>72732759

Just out of curiosity: Where did this joke originate? If it was in a video, like a Best of the Worst or something, I've never seen it. All I ever find are references to it...

Jessie Zimmer

[Kermit the Frog flail gif here] One of my favorite Canadians has returned! It’s a huge delight to see Colin back in the studio. Loved the opening bit. I was waiting to see how long it took for Jay’s arm to fall off, or for him to drop his phone. Thank you for the laugh. Enjoyed the use of the Joe Versus the Volcano clip, too. Not sure if I’ll watch Dune, but it's always fun listening to Re:View episodes. This show in particular has brought several new/old films into my life, it's definitely my favorite show from RLM.

Anonymous

Two years later and Colin still looks exactly as he did the first time he appeared in their videos. You can't convince me that he isn't some kind of Canadian vampire.

Anonymous

Man I can't wait to see what they do with the later books where Paul's son turns into a sandworm and breeds an army of Duncan Idahos

Anonymous

for what it's worth, Lynch had the tone done right, just too early

Rhea

I managed to not really absorb anything through osmosis about the plot of Dune from like, society or the internet, all I knew was something about spice and sand and some dude with a messiah complex. But I adored it, it’s everything I love about slow-burn, sprawling, intergalactic sci-fi. Like I haven’t gotten chills from a movie for a while but I got them multiple times during this. Especially the first worm scene, that shit was perfectly paced and scored to deliver the most amount of tension, plus the reveal of just how massive the worms really are. Them some big ass worms. “He takes weird things and treats them like they’re not weird” yes yes I love when filmmakers just fucking tell a story without feeling the need to explain stuff. Villeneuve trusts the audience to understand that this is a different world with different cultures and different technology and that knowing that, people will accept what he puts in front of them because there’s context and reasoning and he’s a real filmmaker who cares about filmmaking, what a concept. Also I wanna know what Mike thinks.

Anonymous

The inner monologue thing is straight from the book, it’s a huge part of frank herberts exposition. But it just don’t work for film, it’s so awkward

Anonymous

Great discussion. However, I feel there was a missed opportunity of a good joke video. Where the scene of Collin watching Dune on Jay's phone is on a loop for two and half hours, then end with a card saying "the real Re:View will be released tomorrow!"

Anonymous

So nice to see Colin! The Canadians are among my favourite guests. I’ll have to go back and watch the original movie - I always liked it but it felt like a misfire somehow. And yeah the last chunk of the movie falls apart badly. One of my least favourite Lynch films but it’s true… it’s just so weird that it’s perfect for a discussion like this. Haven’t seen the new one yet but I’ve been hearing great things.

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums

(EDIT: Sorry for the length!) Yay! Colin! Anyway, I had a lot of problems with the new Dune. I haven't read the books (as RLM has noted before, you shouldn't need to read books to enjoy a movie), but I think Denis Villeneuve is possibly the best new director of the past two decades, and I've either extremely enjoyed or was absolutely spellbound by everything he's done up to this point. My issues with his Dune are myriad, though none are in the visuals (they hold up even on a 54 inch OLED in the bathtub. Yes, I watched this while taking a bath, but that actually means that I was completely focused on it and nothing else). As usual, the visuals are great, and they do give a sense of the world. But the plot simply isn't well-explained. I get the broad strokes. House Atreides is being given control of the only planet that produces spice after 80 years of if being controlled by the Harkonnen. It turns out that this is a mere ruse, and that Harkonnen are in league with the emperor to destroy the Atreides once they've committed their resources to the spice planet. Since it seems that Harkonnen alone has the military power to destroy the Atreides, and they're even combining it with the Emperor's military, why even go through this charade? Meanwhile, when Atreides lands on the spice planet, they note that they've been left with garbage equipment that can barely harvest spice at the pace necessary. If they're going to ambush Atreides anyway, and if spice is THE MOST IMPORTANT THING IN THE GALAXY, why not let them collect as much spice as possible before ambushing and destroying them? Spice is the most important thing ever, and only on this planet, and yet they're giving the mining operation over to Atreides just to do this ambush plot, so the spice mines will be basically nonfunctional for months while this plays out, with transferring the rights, setting up a new mining operation, and coordinating the eventual ambush. Why? Next, we have the fact that the son of House Atreides's leader is a sort of half-human, half-whatever-those-people-who-are-hundreds-of-years-old-and-have-telepathy-and-see-the-future-and-have-mind-control. These people aren't explained almost AT ALL, at least as far as I can tell. All i got from the movie is that they have telepathy/mind control, are secretive, and apparently have a VERY long-term plan for how things will play out (centuries long!). Next is the Emperor. Why did the Atreides doctor stab their house in the back, only to use his poison to try and kill the emperor? Apparently to get the Emperor to "release [his] wife from [the[ eternal torment" the Emperor has locked her in? But the Emperor says the doctor will see her when he kills the doctor, so what is that eternal torment? Because it sure sounds like mere death to me. And so the emperor is poisoned, but, surprise! All he has to do is get in a tub of goo to be totally fine again. Either the doctor didn't know this, or something else doesn't make sense, because the doctor seems truly saddened by the fact that he betrayed House Atreides. And these are just SOME of my issues with the muddled explanation of the world and its plots. I haven't even dived into the spice planet people, and several other things. Has anyone else had this experience? Am I crazy? Am I missing a whole batch of things?

Anonymous

I came for the Lynch discussion (and Colin) but now, maybe I need to see this new Dune?

Anonymous

The vid is straight Spice!

Steve Can Still Believe
>>72752794

It's really good. You shouldn't need their opinion to determine whether you'll see it or not. Everyone has their own.

Anonymous

Good review. Kinda surprised that Jay has not watched any Timothee's film.

Anonymous

Glad you finally gone and Dune it so folks will calm down. I’m still not sure I’m ready to watch the new one though. I’ve loved most DV films I’ve seen, but realized a few months back that I had missed Prisoners. So I watched Prisoners. That movie is a polished turd. Why it’s generally rated far higher than Enemy is beyond my understanding.

Marvin Falz

Dune is one David Lynch movie, I know I will never want to watch again, because the story doesn't interest me at all. I also don't care for "weird for the sake of weird." I did rewatch the so-called Los Angeles Trilogy last week, though. On three consecutive days, first one of the Naked Gun trilogy, then immediately after that one of the Los Angeles Trilogy. Now I understand the "the prequels ruined Star Wars" sentiment better, because I came up with the name Laura Pimmler, and when I rewatched Fire Walk With Me, during some of the most horrific scenes, I had to think of that stupid name, and that made me laugh. But besides that, my appreciation of David Lynch's way of story-telling, and especially of recurring motifs, that allow me to connect, for example, Inland Empire with the last episode of Twin Peaks: Return has become deeper.

Marvin Falz

The Airplane joke, and the Dune puns at the end are great. Made me laugh. Thank you! :)

Anonymous

I think the best thing I can say about the new "Dune" was that it actually really made me want to read the book, because I thought as constructed, it was a really bad movie (save for the atmosphere/visuals, which I understand is a big component). It had many components that I would have loved to see more of, but characters were under-developed, and the plot was incredibly empty and shallow without any context. There was no weight to anything, despite the attempts to give it. Duncan sacrificing himself? He died?? OH NO, NOT DUNCAN!!!!! *cue Colin's impression of the music* Also, hell yeah Gyrator Doppelbock

JTruts
>>72741288

Kind of the opposite here, I knew everything about it from having read the books multiple times and seen the Lynch and part of the Sci Fi channel adaption. I also had chills, the score is great, but sometimes a bit relentless. I think DV did a nice job making the material easier for anyone to get into. If it brings more interest to the series as a whole I say mission accomplished regardless of how much money it makes. Definately excited for part two and hopefully 3 (second book, where it really starts to get interesting!)

JTruts
>>72748812

We haven't seen Jim in a while I think? I hope they have him back sometime too.

Steve

I can't believe it was just 50 minutes of Dune soundtrack SFX

JTruts
>>72773505

Duncan's death is odd in both movies because believe it or not, without spoiling anything, this is a MAJOR deal. I can't explain more without ruining your enjoyment of any potential sequels. Had they spent a little more time with him and Paul it might have had more of an impact. They do it better in this movie than Lynch's but the effect is still the same for someone not familiar with the series. Highly recommend the books, keep in mind it was written in the 1960's...

JTruts

Thanks for the re:View. Glad you spent some time on Lynch's version. Strange as it is and horrible as the ending is, it's a guilty pleasure and an interesting piece of filmmaking. I enjoyed DV's version but I just found it lacking ... something. I can't put a finger on it. The cast was good, the plot beats followed the books pretty well with a few minor exceptions that can be lived with. The world building is wonderful, music is good though maybe too much sometimes, the pacing felt strange at times. I took my family and my wife and kids enjoyed it having no prior knowledge of the world so I think DV did a good job introducing this world to new people. I'm looking forward to part 2 and hopefully 3 and more. The middle books are just great.

DonMac

I'm old enough (aka I'm old) to have seen David Lynch's "Dune" during its original theatrical release. That was a time when everyone got up to leave the theatre as soon as the end credits started rolling and immediately talked about the movie while walking out. And I remember someone nearby call it a "masterpiece" and someone else call it a "confusing mess" back then. In hindsight, both true!

Manuel Johnen

It's great that Colin knows how to pronounce "Villeneuve"... ... ... but does he also know how to pronounce "Das Boot"?!?

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums

Did the Baron's head rising from the tub of goo remind anyone else of how Marlon Brando looked after he got old and really fat? It was literally my first thought.

Neil Peart, Lord of Drums
>>72786379

You've talked about this before, and I don't get it. Of course he knows how to say Villeneuve; he lives in Canada, and Canada has a very large French-speaking population. Do you know how to pronounce every Korean movie you watch? Or Japanese movies in their original language? Normally, they would just change the title to English. I'm not even sure why it ended up being called "Das Boot" in North America. But, unless you know how to pronounce the foreign title of every movie, you shouldn't really expect anyone else to either.

andrew

Great, insightful discussion. Thank you.

Anonymous

Leave it to these hack frauds to defend Dune(1984). I re-watched it last week and it was so much worse than I even remembered. Between the exposition dumps, the confusing action scenes, and the infuriating whispered internal monologues, it is a total nightmare.

Manuel Johnen
>>72799755

The 1984 "Dune" is - like every single thing David Lynch ever did, imo - epic horseshit with scenes of inexplicable weirdness and crude details inserted into it seemingly at random... but those giant sandworms are goddamn awesome. Have to give it that... Considering all the money and effort that went into the movie, it's just not worth it, though...

Anonymous

Almost forgot, thank you for discussing the Toto score! I was hooked on the music after one viewing of the film. I love listening to it when I work too! It seems to be one of those soundtracks that transcends its origin film in quality and/or influence (rare occurrence IMO). The prime example for me is Blade Runner. I mostly love the film but have some issues, however the soundtrack is pure excellence and outshines everything else. It makes my mind travel and doesn’t just remind me of its origin film.

Anonymous

No offense to Jay, but I'd like another Jim and Colin episode. I can't think of any guests I haven't liked on RLM now that I think of it; I just re-watched their review of Strange Brew and really enjoyed it.

andrew

But what does Mike think?!?!

Anonymous

Yay! Colin is back!

Anonymous

I’m so confused that Jay didn’t seek out an imax screening for Dune

Rhea
>>72834613

Risked his life to see Ghostbusted but won't bother for Dune smh

Anonymous

Loved this movie. Nice to see a real movie without blatant propaganda being pushed.

Damon Killian

I can only support one Patreon, I really enjoyed the behind the scenes set and prop construction stuff with Rich. I'm going over to The Delta Flyers, and support them until they finish their Voyager podcast. -Regards

Anonymous

Half expected a Plinkett on this one after the lead up in the last few vids

Juho Huuki

I was genuinely worried about how you guys saw the movie. I really really really liked the new Dune but I saw a lot of people commenting ill about it. It's a movie that really shines on iMax, you just can't get the real feel on your couch..

Anonymous

Really enjoyed this review.

Anonymous

My favorite thing about the Mentats in the Lynch version is that they mention that you can recognize them from their redstained lips, but they dont say anything about massive eyebrows.

Anonymous

It was such a punch in the gut when I saw 'Part 1' in the opening titles, but I really enjoyed the 2021 movie anyway.

DonMac

A friend pointed out to me that the end titles music for the new movie has a cover version of electronic music artist Klaus Schulze's 1978 synth track "Frank Herbert" within it. So now I need to listen to the score to hear that.

Anonymous

Looks like it was shit. The reviews I've read are so mixed that I don't think I'll bother with this one.