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As I mentioned in my last post we’ll discuss my main production later this month in a dedicated post. That means I can dedicate this whole post to Cerene Ai and there’s a lot to talk about.

  • EP 1 Cerene test generations
  • EP 2 Cerene clothed and naked
  • EP 3 Cerene poses with consistent look
  • EP 4 Cerene dick girl version flaccid/ hard
  • EP 5 Cerene sex
  • EP 6 Cerene some sort of animation

EP 5 Cerene sex

Check out the included sex scene. So what do you think?? :D

Let me explain the other included images as well.

Last time I only managed to generate a semi close likeness to Cerene, but had to in-paint the dick. Well this time round I finally manage to train the AI to render a much closer likeness to Cerene including her body shape, cock, outfit elements and even hair style. She’s about 80% there but that’s about as far as I want to go. I don’t want a 100% likeness, I want to infuse her essence and render a new interpretation of Cerene using the new tools available to me.

Actually getting the AI to reliably render her dick was a bit of a break-through for me. The base model has been trained on millions of women, so it’s easy to render any part of a woman’s body including highly detailed upscales. However the model has no (or very little) idea what a big dick on a woman looks like, especially not Cerene’s dick and with my particular style. So I had to find a training method that would teach the model totally from scratch. Took dozens of approaches and thousands of renders, but I finally worked out a reliable formula.

Check out the xyz plot of Cerene’s face for example: from left to right and top to bottom you’ll see a progressively higher application of Cerene’s fine tuned low rank adaptation model. This results in a very close likeness to Cerene’s 3d model towards the bottom right. It even produces details like her tiara, hair style and makeup. The 3 enclosed Cerene flaccid renders were generated with a similar model which are the closest likeness so far and it also manages to reliably generate her big flaccid cock. The dick texture still needs improvement though.

With AI it’s easy to generate great individual images (mostly by copying someone else’s prompts) but it’s still as difficult to master the tech and develop your own style. I use a photo realistic model, trained on my style and characters. It produces a semi-realistic mix, which works out great for what I’m trying to render and will be different to other AI art out there (at least for long enough to to take it to the next stage).

So what are the advantages to using AI once you’ve worked out the tech? Better quality, bigger stylistic range, faster setup and generation and we’re about to hit video which means animated scenes. You will be able to produce Hollywood quality movies from the comfort of your own bedroom within a few years, but in the meantime let’s have fun seeing the tech progress exponentially.

Speaking of video, that’s what I’ll be testing out in the next episode: animation? Is it possible to produce decent results? What are your predictions?

Now, I did say that after EP5 I’d decide if an AI based visual novel was feasible. Not sure if you’re convinced yet? I sure as hell am! So after the next episode we’ll go straight into visual novel production. We’ll soon find out how Cerene turned from an innocent maiden to the seasoned vampire pussy slayer she is today. Will keep you posted.

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IBT

So ... yet more NOT Cerene produced by NOT miro. Why are any of us subscribing to your patreon?

Anonymous

Hope you can share Cerene model file sometimes

Brewster

Yeah, nah. Time for me to jet. Been a patron for a long time, but that AI stuff is a bridge too far. I'll buy the next Bloodlust animation, but I can't support this drip-feed of literally soulless content.

Anonymous

I knew when I read the title "production update" that this was going to be about AI rather than Bloodcrown, made me chuckle is all. Personally I prefer the look of the images closer to the Cerene that we know, the render in the black set of clothing looks pretty great. Just not a huge fan of her look in the sex scene, looks almost like a different character to me, maybe one or two steps closer to her normal 3D look would be more convincing. Unless Cerene totally changed her look after becoming a vampire, which would be conceivable considering she can use magic to grow a cock at will. As for sex scenes in general with AI its not something you see all that often, have you done any iterations with two characters in the same image, or are they all POV shots like here?

affect3d_miro

did you look at all the image? if that's not Cerene likeness, then you're not looking, you shouldn't let your dislike for the tech cloud your judgement

affect3d_miro

still have a lot to improve, it's def a challenge to get the results I want, but "soulless" is def not description I would use with the effort that goes into these

affect3d_miro

def a work in progress, she has the likeness I want in a casual pose, but needs more work in action scenes, the ai doesn't know my style, characters or positions I use, so I'm having to train it on all that... so it takes time, but once it's there it will look great I'm sure to me ai is like just another rendering engine you still have to pose, setup your characters, lighting, iterate on quality, etc, etc just like with regular 3D

Calista

I dig it. Cerene is even hotter than Sayako, which I didn't think was possible.

Chrissy

I love the picture with the black body suit. It looks nice on her and might even rival her purple armor. Maybe some of this design could be corporated into Cerene main attire some time in the future.

IBT

So now you're passing off "AI fan art" as your own work (and expect to be praised for it)?

IBT

Way to miss the point so thoroughly and completely, miro. If you're going to outsource Cerene to AI to do your job for you as a creator, you might as well simply make Cerene's model file public domain and post the data where anyone and everyone can download her to make their own animations with her. At least then SOMEONE would be using her data file to create stuff ...

IBT

The effort might not be soulless ... but it's obviously "expensive" in terms of time and research. The results, however ... those definitely lack the "soul" of an actual artist. At best, they're just "fan art" done by an AI.

IBT

> https://www.patreon.com/posts/blood-crown-75315791 > > First pass animations had been completed for all scenes including part 1 and part 2 transitional and sex scenes about two years ago. { checks calendar } Your 6 months grace period after your Mea Culpa (but it's not really my fault!) post is almost up. At this point it would be more honest to say you've given up on Bloodlust and are spending all your time training AI to replace you as an artist ... and you're expecting us to fund that effort for you ... wouldn't you say? TICK TOCK ... miro ...

org123

I gotta say I prefer the non-ai art

Anonymous

Fair enough, still think the best ways for AI to be useful in the future is as a support role as others have said, like to take the hassle out of jiggle physics when two characters are interacting, or filling out incomplete animations to streamline the process rather than replacing regular 3D and animation myself, but I don't know if the AI tools are there yet. Or someone somewhere being able to create an AI tool the can recognise a specific character or characters from a refence file fed to it directly rather than having to iterate quite so much, and being able to build a scene around them more immediately, I don't know I'm just spit balling ideas here. Just hope to see something sooner rather than later on the main production side of things, on that note will the production have all the and sounds added or will it just be the animation so far? no critique either way for that one just curious as we haven't seen or rather heard anything about sound design or music for quite some time.

Kyla

It'll have sound. if it ever gets made I honestly haven't a clue at this point

Anonymous

Good to know, I couldn't imagine the uproar if it didn't have any. Just a shame with how things are going that we won't get to see / hear a trailer like we got for Royal descent, that one still live rent free in my head.

Rikyla

Well, at least you starting to see more and more of Cerene resemblance in these work I progress compared to previous updates. Still see issues with hands like the flaccid image showing Cerene hands belonging to two different people and not of the same body. At a quick glance, 06-09 seems to be the closest resemblance. The other ones that are similar seem to get some of the details nearly spot on but not everything that is enough to tell you it's not Cerene. I hope the AI goes exactly how you believe it will. I'm not personally against AI being used. If it can be used by artists to compliment and help their work, great. I know fo one that is currently trying out things that improve the hair look etc in certain images as opposed to using it for the entire scene. My main issue is how consistent will a set feel in terms of look. Flying High for example is over 300 images long. I'm sure everyone would love to see a set that size pumped out at a much quicker rate but if you start seeing changing in the overall look after every 25+ images as it progresses, it may take you out of it. I guess time will tell as the process gets more matured. I feel like currently, the AI animation has its own weird presentation that doesn't make for a good viewing experience but it could just be the examples I've seen were quickly put together.

affect3d_miro

my ai work will have it's own style, it won't compete with my 3D work, it's just a little different in style for separate releases

affect3d_miro

don't see ai being useful for physics in the near future, has a lot of other uses though and I'll take a first look at animation in my next ep, don't expect too much though, ai is still horrible at animation, so that where we'll reach the current limitation of ai, but still should be an interesting experiment yes, the next release will have sound but we'll go over animation first for a while

affect3d_miro

yes, hoping to use ai to enhance some aspects of the 3d version as well in terms of fidelity and outfit inspiration for example

affect3d_miro

consistency is one of the big issues with ai, that's why you have to specifically train it on your character and style in which case the consistency becomes very high and is ideal for an image set or better still visual novels, at that point it's just animation that's still out of range, but we'll get there as well, just give it a few months... now that sex scenes are feasible imo, after my next ep we'll go straight into production of Cerene's origin story

IBT

> how does that work? By driving away the supporters you've had for 15+ years. Not what I would consider "working" ... really ...

Anonymous

I’ll be completely honest, I kinda like, don’t care

JohnboyX

Been here from the very start (founders tier Patron) but if the "actual" production update later this month doesn't convince me then I'm out for good and have to strongly rethink whether I will subscribe to this Patreon ever again if things won't take a serious u-turn for the better in the near future. It's just not good for my psyche and I honestly can't deal with all this downplaying/defense mode behaviour to nearly any comment any longer 😕 . Miro as someone suffering from mental health issues myself for many years I don't mean this as an insult but you should honestly consider contacting a psychologist whether or not you have some kind of narcissistic personality disorder. Your subscriber count broke down immensely over the past months (if I remember correctly one Patron said over 600 which is quite a lot 😮 ), the many sales on your website over the same time period don't seem normal and point down to some financial problems and Kyla a person from your staff repeatly mentions how unhappy he/she is with many decisions you make on your projects. Moreover I remember one of your comments to another post from a Patron telling you to hand over Bloodcrown to another member of your team who is willing to finish it back in the big november update to which you replied (your excact words): "There only one who cares about it... is me" . Yet instead of seriously reconsidering and changing things because obviously a lot in front and most likely behind the curtain (can't believe that Kyla is the only person from your team who is quite unhappy with the whole ongoing Bloodcrown fiasco) isn't going well for quite some time now I always see you building up a brickwall behind one can easily find excuses for every time the main project has to be pushed back further be it blender, a revamp of the website, image sets, dolls or now AI 😬. That's not normal behaviour in my opinion. Your NOT always in the right because you find the suitable words to any answer (no one is) and while you might condemn me for this harsh post please think about that getting help could not only lead to you extending your horizon and seeing things from a different perspective while also feeling better about it but also improve the relationship with your team and most important the people who support you be it here or by buying from your website.

affect3d_miro

you do what you have to do, make sure you take care of yourself and don't project on others

JohnboyX

It's hopeless. No self reflection at all and any will to say something to the above points. Did you even fully read my post ?

IBT

It's as if the only feedback miro wants to receive is sycophantic fawning praise (exclusively!) ... so any and all other feedback gets sent on a PRINT TO SHREDDER process.

affect3d_miro

no excuses, I have my approach you either like it or leave not thrilled to hear you're dealing with mental health issues, but if you keep annoying me I'll ban you

Anonymous

Physics was only am example of something pretty laborious to do in productions, it could probably be pretty useful in background generation (3D environment or canvas based) and such, the number of times I've seen someone trace a background or not even bother with one seems like it would be a good fit for AI. Look forward to seeing where things have gone with the main production, and hearing your thoughts on the process its gone through.

Kyla

These kinds of posts never work, I've tried many times, without the assumptions of mental ability, he doesn't care to put it simply, too huge an ego or stubborn either one really doesn't make a difference, is why after I finish up image stuffs we're doing I'm likely going to call it quits as I've lost nearly all respect and hope at this point.... I'll do my best for what is remaining to be worked on that was given to me otherwise I'm fairly certain I'm done.... being lied to constantly isn't cool though I sat and eat it for 2 years, tons of... what should and could have been... that never saw the light of day as "reasons" or what was seen here completely ignore 90% of what is said and comment on what doesn't dispute his way of thinking. To be clear I was willing from day one to do everything I was originally hired for at no cost as I don't need the money.... though about 20% ish of what I was supposed to be doing actually came to be..... however that's a moot point I guess, I truly do hate this aspect of myself.... when I see someone or something I can try to help out and see do better I give that person an ungodly amount of leeway.... miro never gave me a single chance not once at any point... I don't give a shit about taking credit for anything mean damn most the posts I've done anything in or made fully I asked to be left out if I didn't agree with yet another questionable choice... It's wild to me how you have someone so willing to attempt and improve things as a whole and use their skillset and or connections in this space.... and do NOTHING with them always put me in roles I make clear constantly won't suit what I'm good with vs what I say I'd likely do well in.... management F tier for "reasons" I can go on for hours yet what is the point, boss man listens to no one but himself, if your thoughts don't mostly fit into his he won't consider anything you say ever. I'm still mostly thankful for the opportunity. that being said the total waste of potential is strong very strong.... at the end of the day not my choices :( I'll never bring up something I disagree with boss mans stance without being able to back my statements with actual facts.... even this would not change direction or focus for now. FYI again! this isn't shit posting in the slightest it's unnecessarily huge levels of frustration due to one man refusing to think with a critical mind far to often... if I didn't give a damn I'd have left in the first month as holy shit was there plenty of 10/10 grounds to do so. (Also yes I can be bitchy so many people know this.... not once is it for no good reason)

affect3d_miro

@Kyla I'm pretty self aware as far as I can tell :) I talk about my flaws whenever I have to explain a production delay, but I don't have an ego and I'm not stubborn, that's the dumbest take I've heard. You haven't been lied to, you're just difficult to work with most times. Anyway, the image work you did was good and that will indeed be your last work.

IBT

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, on that note the prosecution rests its case.

Anonymous

oh look, another AI/collab.... bring back old Miro or im out

Anonymous

Hello Miro, Can you add a scene from this perspective?: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sdLK_E7sEpHOj7wANJSN6u_1T7KCer8I/view?usp=sharing Regards

Grayve

She looks better in the black outfit then she has in a while, the one of the right looks... nothing like Cerenes face.

XXXBATTERY

good lord MIRO! these look incredible... oh man Kudos!