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The Drydock - Episode 211 (Patreon)

Published:
2022-08-19 19:01:01
Imported:
2023-02

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The Drydock - Episode 211

00:00:00 - Intro 00:00:35 - What is the actual relationship between a captain and an admiral on his ship? 00:05:36 - Where is/was the line for gross insubordination drawn, and how loose were the boundaries on it? 00:13:14 - How common is it for promotions in the navy to be back-dated to a certain earlier time point? 00:18:47 - Especially efficient ships? 00:21:23 - Why were USN 6" shells slower than other contermporary equivilants? 00:26:46 - Lexington vs Kaga in a gun duel? 00:28:21 - Side vs Vertical funnels on carriers? 00:32:18 - How did the woodern fin's on the Japanese torpedo bombers torpedo's help them from burying themselves into the sea floor at Pearl Harbour? 00:40:29 - Channel Fleet in WW1? 00:44:55 - If the Hornet (CV-8) had been taken as a prize at Santa Cruz, would the IJN have had the technical, infrastructural, or systemic capacity to copy her equipment & technology, or even recommission her for Japanese service? 00:47:28 - Is appropriate to credit the I-19 with the most effective single torpedo salvo in history? 00:49:08 - Did German U-boat commanders know that they were being located with HF/DF? Did they take countermeasures like dummy nonsense transmissions that looked like legit U-boat communications? 00:53:16 - Fast transports for the Med? 00:55:49 - Are the Glorious records the only aircraft carrier loss records sealed for 100 years and how "muddy" are the facts relating to that event? 01:01:45 - “Damn the torpedoes, full speed ahead" what does that mean? And also how good of an admiral would you consider him? 01:05:51 - Channel Admin

Comments

Bryan Stephens

Ha I finished the last dry dock yesterday I'm caught up now

Anonymous

A point about cargo ships. Liberty ships where being built in an average of 42 days during WW2 and completed at a rate of 3 per day by '43. They were being produced so fast that a vet told me that the subs could not sink them all. Building 'fast' cargo ships could not do that. When you put 20 or 30 ships in a convoy carrying 3 to 5 times the supplies that were needed they could not stop the resupply. Then add the escorts and most get thru. The number of lost ships is bad and the lose of life worse, but it is never balanced against the ships that made it and the lives saved. Just some info from a USN sailor from the cold war who talked to old salts when ever I met one.

Andrew Dederer

The full version (with a little translation) starts as Tecumseh "cuts the corner" into the minefield to engage Tennessee, hits a mine and rolls over. At this point wooden sloop Brooklyn slams to a halt, blocking the double column of wooden ships, right in front of the fort they were moving past. On Hartford right behind the Admiral inquired (loudly and likely profanely) why Brooklyn was stopped, getting the answer "torpedoes". These were a known risk, and it was judged most had been in the water long enough not to work (Tecumseh had been unlucky) Thus "Damn the Torpedoes" (e.g. "We knew they were there, stopping in range of the fort isn't making things better.") Then to his helmsman "Go ahead" (Pass the Brooklyn). The last order went to the smaller ship lashed to the Hartford (on the opposite side from the fort, an extra engine in case of a lucky hit). "Four bells." (Maximum power). All three orders were separate commands, but they pretty much add up to the "pithier" version. All were given from the Admiral's perch (he was lashed to the rigging about 10-15 feet above the deck, so he had a very good (if VERY exposed) view of events.

Capitano Lorenzo
>>89941495

I recall Drach explaining that during WWI the Admiralty/Government said that the UK was merely two months from pulling out of the war because of the submarine blockade. Conversely, during WWII the feeling was if continued for a few more months (paraphrasing) the UK would have to pull out. Both of these statements were obviously during the height of German U-boat success.

Anonymous
>>89941495

Yes and it was worse in WW2. Then the Japs pulled the big boner and crushed the chances of the axis victory. There were so many shipyards building liberty ships that the germans would have been hard pressed to build the torpedos to sink them, much less the subs to fire them. Yanamoto tried to tell the high command that the US would and could out produce them many times over, but the high command was Army based and they had real blindness to the american people. They saw us as decadent and soft with no williness to fight a war for real. They even planned to invade the west cost and said they would be in DC in a week. Tojo never stopped believing that, at least not till the end of his life. He claimed we would collapse any day.