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How log does X11 have, and are we creating a dual speed Linux desktop ecosystem? Patroncast S03E48 (Patreon)

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2023-12-04 12:32:56
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Hey everyone!

I hope you're all doing well, because here is your new episode of the patroncast!

In this one, I talk about:

- 00:46 What's planned for the channel in December

- 10:20 X11 and Wayland, with RHEL dropping the X.org session in 2025, how long does X11 still have to live?

- 19:56 Making a dual speed Linux desktop ecosystem, or how the transition to Wayland / Portals / Flatpak might just end up killing smaller projects that don't have the manpower to either create their own frameworks, or follow the development pace of GTK / KDE Frameworks

Let me know what you think about all of this, and have a great week!


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Anonymous

Hmmm. X might stick around just a bit longer I think. I’m all for Wayland, but if you install the latest Debian stable, and then proceed to install proprietary nvidia drivers, Wayland is automatically removed and you are stuck with Xorg. Now I suppose compared to the likes of Ubuntu and Fedora, Debian desktop market share (with nvidia) might be relatively minor. And probably/hopefully a new Debian stable 2years from now supports Wayland with nvidia. But they might still default to Xorg because there might be some case where “stability” cannot be guaranteed. Then Xorg would stick around for at least five more years. At least for nvidia.

Talya

I think you're right about RedHat abandoning X11 being its death sentence, but I think you're very wrong about the timeline. Yes, RHEL 10 will release in not too long a time, but older versions will be supported for A WHILE. RHEL 8 won't be EoL until *2031*, and RHEL 9 until *2034*.

thelinuxexperiment
>>123774395

Yeah, there will be at least maintenance / security fixes on X11 while LTS reach their EOL dates, but it will still be pretty much abandoned, I think

thelinuxexperiment
>>123881561

Yeah, but this will be basically an extended "undead" project, nothing will happen on it by that point apart from security updates, compatibility with anything newer will be utterly broken as apps / desktops drop X11 entirely, so it will be basically dead for most users, long before these distros reach EOL.