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Supernatural - 12x22 “Who We Are” Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2022-12-13 17:14:13
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2022-12

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CrystalDeth

Don't care about specs/possibilities...I LOVE the grenade launcher scene and how both Sam and Dean were so gung ho about it with huge smiles!

rose mnor

Great reaction Shelley, and such a great episode ... I kind of agree with some of your analysis, and some kinda, not ... lol. Okay, so here we go ... In my opinion, I feel that 'Dean needing to talk to Mary about mistakes and blames' is actually used by the narrative to PULL Mary out of her brainwashing, and not necessarily putting 'the blame' on her, per se. It is spoiler-ish right now in talking about how the show is or is not 'putting blame on Mary' so I will stop now and leave it at that. Dean had to say all kinds of triggering things that Mary felt because he saw that Mary was avoiding and distancing away from him in her mind (as shown by him putting his hand on her arm and her pulling away from him, in her kitchen mind). He had to make her stop and listen to him - to get her attention as you say - and what better strategy than to 'force' her to process what he wanted - by saying "I hate you" and all the triggering things that she had already put on herself. We immediately saw that he quickly absolved Mary's actions (he understands where Mary is coming from), so, in my opinion, he didn't necessarily truly believe all that he said and wanted Mary to put all that baggage on herself ... just ... just to get her out of that dang brainwash ... Now, having written all that ... whoa boy, that scene ... it felt so satisfying to watch Dean say all of that to Mary, so cathartic and such a relief, and for Mary to hear all those things that Dean had to do in order to survive and to protect Sam all this while, from all the things that had happened in their lives ... such a big moment ... which made me think that he might have glossed over those events when he talked about them to Mary before ... Also, Dean blaming Mary for dying is what I think most young children felt when they lost their parents during their childhood, and as a consequence of that loss, they suffered in life. Yeah, I am aware that it is unreasonable and unfair because death is not something that we choose in life to do (it's not logical/rational thinking). So I give Dean a pass. Also about Dean bringing up Mary's mistakes and not John's, from a story point of view, John had already realized his wrongdoings to Dean in S2 In My Time of Dying, but whether we as viewers and fans felt it enough is another matter altogether ... In my opinion it's not about who had made more or bigger wrongdoings - John or Mary. I get that this time show wants it to be about Mary's complicated turn of events. (ETA: more clarification in the reply section). S02E01 JOHN: You know, when you were a kid, I'd come home from a hunt, and after what I'd seen, I'd be, I'd be wrecked. And you, you'd come up to me and you, you'd put your hand on my shoulder and you'd look me in the eye and you'd... You'd say "It's okay, Dad" (pauses) Dean, I'm sorry. DEAN: What? JOHN: You shouldn't have had to say that to me, I should have been saying that to you. You know, I put, I put too much on your shoulders, I made you grow up too fast. You took care of Sammy, you took care of me. You did that, and you didn't complain, not once. I just want you to know that I am so proud of you. And as someone else had stated in earlier comments above, Dean (and Sam) had sort of 'confronted' and had already expressed their feelings about their dad, in Sam's case, about how he feels TO their dad (The Song Remains the Same) ... though, again, whether we feel it's sufficient enough is a whole other issue. So reiterating how they feel about their dad's mistakes, in-show to viewers, is kinda repetitive ... as John had already owned some of those mistakes ... And unpacking emotional past events has to be at the season's end because, at the beginning of the season, Mary is still a stranger to Dean and Sam (also where's the fun in that if they unpack everything so early, lol). Not talking to each other is understandable, until it is not ... They most likely tip-toed over each other feelings, not wanting to make waves or overwhelmed the other, too conscious about not wanting to make the other feel offended like strangers do ... until they get to know each other better ... On a separate matter, how I feel about the BMOL storyline is almost the same as how I felt about the leviathan - there are no personal attachments from the main villain/the big bad. Personal here means the connection between the Winchesters to the season's big bad, until (for the BMOL) Mary made contact with them. So I just kinda feel, eh ... (to clarify - personal to the Winchesters as in the Azazel and the Lucifer 'closeness' kind of it all). On the other hand, they (BMOL) do contribute to lots of good episodic feel and underlying threats to our heroes throughout the season as compared to S7 leviathan, whose threats kinda disappeared in the middle of the season. So this elevates S12 from the former season for me.

Linda Moore
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I agree completely with everything you've written here! Thanks so much for stating it so clearly, much clearer than I ever could have hoped to. 😊

Meileen

So, this episode is very therapeutic for me. Because it's about a mother facing how her actions affected her kids. And a child acknowledging that he has felt hate for his mother. We so often see fathers portrayed as the ones who fucked their kids up in media. This show definitely started with those themes. And it's something I'm personally really over in media. I know it's a real thing for many people but it feels like its always a bad father. And I know that mothers in our society often have more pressure put on them. But for kids with mothers who hurt them, it's hard for people to understand. Mothers are the person, as kids, we are supposed to respect, love, and defend. People don't understand when you hate your mother. They act like you are the problem. It's just not fathomable to most people that a mother can be just as bad as a father. We see it all the time when mothers kill their kids. Everyone just can't believe that they did it. Because no mother would. That's the lie our society tells us. So, yeah, I needed this. I needed him to not just forgive her for her sake and hold back how it really made him feel. Because I've been trapped in that situation of forgiving my mother because I wanted her to be OK. But not actually expressing how everything she did impacted me. And unfortunately, in media, we don't see this alot. But almost every show I have ever watched has at least one character with issues stemming from their father. So, yeah, I'm glad this wasn't about John.

Ed

This British Men of Letters B.S. is as bad as I remember it.