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Mushoku Tensei Ep 16 Full Reaction (Patreon)

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Jamaal Ellison

Rudeus got sent to another continent where he speaks a different language with no mone, food, supplies, or map and thrived. He didn't think about reading any letters from the adventurers guild probably because he didn't know he needed to. He became an adventurer because of necessity and very few options. Paul is a grown sorry excuse of a man with a few redeeming qualities. I think once Rudy had gotten Eris home then he probably would've shifted focus on getting home.

Ophelia Pane

Here we go boyyyyy

Angelo

I always love the fact that this man rudy said surprise attack and then still hit them anyway with the stone cannon. LMAO. I would really feel like a took a L if a kid with panties on his head said surprise attack and then still hit me.

Ophelia Pane

Fuck Paul he wasn't even happy to see his only son that was missing for years.

dodo
>>83528060

he was but he was also in pain seeing that his son that he considered a genius, even smarter than him, seemed to basically forget/not care about his family

Ricky Bobby

Nah when Rob said "I from the past idiot" I died laughing cause why did Evan think he was saying he was from the future LMAO

dodo

I don’t know if y’all have noticed, they have a new opening for every new region/area they visit. It was explained in the Light Novel a little better but they couldn’t fit it all into the anime but this is a very religious region. This episode was another new one, a gospel sounding religious song with organs and other instruments commonly heard in churches, as this is a religious region in the world. And the capital city they’re in, Milis is where the pope and main churches reside. There’s 6 openings total, in the short 23 episodes. Shows how much love they put into this show. Studio Bind is the studio making it, and the studio was quite literally made for this show an is only working on this show only. Every person in the studio has read the entire light novel (25 Novels) as well i believe

dodo

Ophelia Pane
>>83528060

Thats Paul's fault for expecting so much from a fucking kid. He should be happy his son came back with all limps, and both eyes.

john segun doe

rent-a-center family. Thats a new one lmaoooo

Woah

OVA next week?

john segun doe
>>83528060

the kid is a prodigy fam. Multiple times on the show paul has noticed that rudy seemed older or more mature in behavior and understanding than a kid would be so YAH paul is gonna have higher expectations from him wtf. Is he right for going off on him? No, but ppl do things in the heat of the moment. But u off in regards to pauls character and his relationship with rudy bruh

PotatoLover

The only guild where he could have seen the letter was the town before I think, and when he got to that town he immediately went with the smugglers and got kidnapped so he could not have seen his dad's message

Angelo

Okay now to episode 17 + the goblin slayer Ova special episode together please.

john segun doe

Yo its mushoku tenSAI not tenSEN lmaoo big ups this reaction

Devin B
>>83528060

He was happy but when he found out Rudy basically didn't even think about his family like he did his anger towards that was more than his happiness for seeing his son. If I went this whole time desperately looking for our family and I found out my son spent this whole time not even thinking about us I would feel a type of way.

Panda

This episode was the start of this series becoming GOAT'd for me. Similar to RoK, Mushoku has a higher tier of character quality than the majority of anime imo. The way they think, interact, and act on situations is so much more natural. While these scenes move the plot along, they feel like they also are naturally occurring situations, that came across because of the choices and actions the characters, rudy here, made. Compared to a lot of shows/creators that will force in moments like this to fit their vision of how the story should play out, rather than actually letting the characters lead the story.

Walker11

This deserves 2x a week man come on you even say the show is Fire Wellz

Angelo
>>83528060

@Devin B I keep it a buck if i had a son that was 11 i would not give a fuck what he did or where he went the fact that he came back alive is enough for me. If he didn't come back I would still be only with my daughter. Searching the family is my job I'm the adult i rather search myself then expect my son to go somewhere and possibly die hell no get your ass back here and stay with me. Yes rudy is great and he is capable but for 1 thing paul needs to realize is that just like him he isn't perfect. And he shouldn't push his on inferiority on to rudy because he clearly feels some type of way because he himself couldn't find his family he feels like complete shit and because he thinks rudy is better pushes his expectations on a kid who as far as he knows is 11. Also he knocked out rudy when he was 7 and send him packing without his consent rudy has not seen them in 4 years and paul also told him not to contact them so they wouldn't be on his mind. Not to mention that rudy was at the center of the teleportation so he wouldn't know how far the range of the incident was sure he could have researched it but he had no reason to assume it got a village far away.

cjsama
>>83529448

No kizzy there’s a lot of character depth👌🏽

Walker11

FACTS Jerry. This is his real family now, he’s reincarnated and came out of Lilia with Paul. They’re his actual family now.

dodo

His dad brought up the whole town was hit and the first person Rudy asked for was Sylphie, not even his own mother

Angelo
>>83530012

He saw his sister and paul together he didn't even think the rest was missing because of that. paul was beating around the bush and not saying what he should have said as soon as rudy asked him what is up.

dodo
>>83528060

in the context of the show you can say that sure, but even rudeus knows he fucked up not caring about his family at all. from his dads pov “sure” he should be happy rudy came back okay, but Rudy fucked up. He’s like 50 at this point, not a kid

Falcz

so excited for ep 21 reaction yo

dodo
>>83528060

I mean if Rudy cared at all about his family and wondered how anyone aside from himself was doing he could’ve easily read that sign that was at every port he travelled through and and seen what was going on

Angelo
>>83528060

No even as a adult it be hard to be teleported out of nowhere and think about family you haven't seen in years when you yourself still gotta make it home and survive. If i was in a center of a explosion that transported me i also wouldn't just randomly assume that all my family that was far away from me that i haven't seen in 3-4 years also got transported. Just like how if a city got nuked and i ended up surviving it i wouldn't just assume the nuke hit my entire family that isn't in the same city. Also rudy isn't a adult to me he is a kid he is still growing and is gonna be hitting puberteit he can't be compared to a normal adult. He is a kid with a memory advantage.

dodo
>>83529198

nah he would’ve seen it twice, the port of the town he was leaving, and the port of the town he arrived in

dodo
>>83530012

So he doesn’t even ask where mom is? His plan was literally just then to go meet Eris and Ruijerd and just leave town without seeing the rest of his family, how is that any better??! Even if Paul didn’t mention everyone was missing, why would Rudy not want to see them?

Angelo
>>83528060

@Dodo When he made it at the zant port where paul's message was he got kidnapped by the beast tribe trying to get rujierd that is why he didn't read paul's letter. Also you're forgetting that rudy said he was gonna write a letter now that he was finally in human territory. Which makes sense because letters don't always arrive in a world like this so it's best to send a letter where he was now. But then he ran in to paul.

Devin B
>>83528060

@Angelo he didn't even ask about the disaster at all while he was adventuring though. He was so sure that it only hit him that he didn't even ask about what happened to Ghislaine or the people in Eris' hometown. If he actually asked around he would've eventually figured out that it affected everyone and just not him but it didn't even occur to him to check it out.

Angelo
>>83530012

What are you talking about? Rudy knows his mom isn't here now so of course he is gonna leave without trying to see them. paul and norn clearly are not fond of him of course he is gonna try leaving. As I said rudy didn't ask about his mom because he assumed she was there when he figured out she wasn't he felt bad. Paul could have said it this entire time but instead he was beating around the bush. Also Norn being there would make him even think more that his mom was around.

Devin B
>>83530012

@Angelo he's talking about before Paul said that everyone was teleported Rudy was already thinking about leaving town so he definitely wasn't thinking about his mom, Lilia or Aisha at all when he was thinking about leaving Paul. Also even if he assumed his mom was around because of Paul and Norn being there he could've at least ask where they were before asking about Sylphie.

Angelo
>>83528060

@Devin B He did ask about ghislaine when he met rujierd, but she wasn't near where they landed. Rudy and Eris landed in the demon continent there was no way for rudy to know exactly what is going on in buena village. Yes it didn't occur to him but that is because there was no reason for it to occur to him he met nobody from buena village to make him consider it because he was in a whole other continent. Also he hadn't been in contact with his family for 4 years because paul told him not to contact them. And when he gets to the zant port where paul's message was he gets kidnapped trying to get rujierd so he never got to see it. But As he said he was gonna write a letter now that he was back in human civillization. He was gonna write a letter not only for paul and his family but he was gonna write one for eris's family too in the light novel.

Angelo
>>83530012

@Devin B I mean sylphie is a child and paul and zenith are like s tier adventurers asking how sylphie is doesn't sound too crazy to be honest. Also I think Rudy leaving makes sense still tho i mean he is being outcasted by his family and he is being called bully by his sister which of course if you know rudy's past isn't quite the best words for him. I will admit rudy does lack somewhat of care for his family but this is also paul's fault for seperating him from them without his consent when he was like 7 and telling him not to contact them. Due this rudy has alreayd spend a lot of time without his family on his mind in fact he wasn't expecting to even see them again until he was like 15. That was when he was allowed to come back. Due this rudy had not spend a lot of time to get attached to his current life family.

dodo (edited)

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2022-12-27 17:08:44 @Angelo I’m not saying asking about his mom to make sure she’s safe, i’m saying he didn’t even want to SEE her. It’s been 6+ years since he last see her, and his plan was just to leave town without seeing her because he got into an argument with Paul? & Norn isn’t fond of him because she doesn’t remember him, because she was a baby when he left, which he realized but chose not to speak up about. Him arguing with Paul does not excuse him just going to skip town without seeing the rest of his family, regardless of if he thinks they’re ‘safe’. Especially since we know how old Rudy really is, but even more so from Paul’s pov, you’re the first son of the family and don’t give a fuck about any of us? The age of adult hood in their world is 15 years old. Rudy is currently like 11/12, that would be the equivalent of him being 15/16 in our world, of course you can expect certain things from someone at that age.
2022-05-09 15:20:06 @Angelo I’m not saying asking about his mom to make sure she’s safe, i’m saying he didn’t even want to SEE her. It’s been 6+ years since he last see her, and his plan was just to leave town without seeing her because he got into an argument with Paul? & Norn isn’t fond of him because she doesn’t remember him, because she was a baby when he left, which he realized but chose not to speak up about. Him arguing with Paul does not excuse him just going to skip town without seeing the rest of his family, regardless of if he thinks they’re ‘safe’. Especially since we know how old Rudy really is, but even more so from Paul’s pov, you’re the first son of the family and don’t give a fuck about any of us? The age of adult hood in their world is 15 years old. Rudy is currently like 11/12, that would be the equivalent of him being 15/16 in our world, of course you can expect certain things from someone at that age.
>>83530012

@Angelo I’m not saying asking about his mom to make sure she’s safe, i’m saying he didn’t even want to SEE her. It’s been 6+ years since he last see her, and his plan was just to leave town without seeing her because he got into an argument with Paul? & Norn isn’t fond of him because she doesn’t remember him, because she was a baby when he left, which he realized but chose not to speak up about. Him arguing with Paul does not excuse him just going to skip town without seeing the rest of his family, regardless of if he thinks they’re ‘safe’. Especially since we know how old Rudy really is, but even more so from Paul’s pov, you’re the first son of the family and don’t give a fuck about any of us? The age of adult hood in their world is 15 years old. Rudy is currently like 11/12, that would be the equivalent of him being 15/16 in our world, of course you can expect certain things from someone at that age.

Devin B
>>83530012

@Angelo but he spent even less time with Sylphie before he moved to where Eris was. So he was able to get more attached to Sylphie even though they only spent a year together but not his family who literally birthed him into existence? Also Paul is a top tier adventurer and Rudy saw the shape that he was in so why would he think his mom would be okay? It's just the fact that Rudy did not think about his family much which he already admitted to.

dodo
>>83528060

Rudy IS an adult. And even in their universe, he’s 11/12 right now, the age of being an adult in their world is 15. So he’s the equivalent of what a 15/16 year old would be in our world. You definitely can expect your 16yr old son to think about your family at least once within a whole 1.5years. Sure maybe at first he’s only thinking of himself, but we’ve been with Rudeus this whole time and we saw he himself didn’t think of family even once in over a year, that’s CRAZY. Obviously it’s because he somewhat still views this world as a game somewhat and it’s his second life so he may not have felt the familial connection that one normally would, but that itself is the problem. And even he acknowledges that. And the message was at 2 ports, the port of the continent he left, and the Port where he arrived. And when at the first port he didn’t wasn’t in distress or dealing with kidnapping. He simply never cared enough to even have the thought to check to see if anything’s going on back home

Angelo
>>83530012

@Dodo Paul's pov? Bruh Paul litterally said this hey you are talented son so you know what i'm not gonna SEARCH FOR YOU even tho you are like fucking TEN. Because you can use magic etc doesn't matter where you are transported you are talented you can make it back on your own. Paul's POV pff paul has no right to talk about care he deadass said he was not gonna search for his OWN SON in his letter. And yes rudy is fine with running away from his family, but even then paul can't criticize him for that because guess what? He also ran away from home when his dad was being a piece of shit but instead of trying to do better he is repeating the same mistake his dad made with his own son and making his own son run away from him.

Angelo
>>83528060

No he got kidnapped so he never got to zant port he skipped that port then he traveled in the forest and arrived here and then he was like. Okay now let me write a letter to my family. Rudy is not a adult he is a child still he is fucking 11 even in their universe he is still percieved as a kid even by others it doesn't matter if 15 is a adult. People still call him a kid when he is 11 very much so. Also if your 16 year old son has to travel to another continent then and meets nobody from his family or any relative or anything he probably wouldn't assume anything happened to them. And would probably just focus on well surviving......

Devin B
>>83528060

@Angelo he literally asked only one person about Ghislaine but not only him but Eris could've asked when they got into town about Ghislaine and that could've led them into finding out more about the disaster. I don't fault Rudy for what he was doing for the whole year and a half cause what he was doing was a lot but the fact he didn't think to look into the disaster was a poor choice on his part.

Myles Xavier (edited)

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dodo
>>83528060

Rudy is quite literally an adult mentally. He was 36 when he died, he is older than Paul and Zenith. Why else would you think that Paul thinks so highly of him and thinks he’s so capable? We’ve seen their conversations that Rudy had when he was just 6, let alone how much older he is now so Paul expects him to have grown even more. You are being so biased in all your answers it’s hilarious. I pointed out that Paul is somewhat in the wrong too for expecting so much of a child, but we know Rudy isn’t one, and even in this new world he’s about 15/16 in our world, that’s way more than old enough to ask to see his mom before leaving town!????

dodo
>>83530012

He wasn’t gonna search for his son not because he didn’t care for him, but his 10 year old prodigy son that’s a a SAINT CLASS WIZARD (which VERY FEW people ever reach) can definitely fend better for himself than his other 4yr old daughter, and his 2 wives that haven’t done any fighting/adventuring for over 10 years+. If they were all safe than of course he would try to find Rudy too, but Rudy definitely has a much better chance of fending for himself than the others, and not just because his magic but because he’s a genius that even Paul felt was smarter than him. You excusing Rudy running away from his family is hilarious. Just because Paul did it doesn’t mean that Rudy should?? Wtf? I bet you’d also say Rudy not going to his own mothers funeral in his past life was justified too huh?

Angelo
>>83528060

@Devin B yes he asked one person, being rujierd about ghislaine because when they got transported ghislaine was near them so if rujierd didn't see her the guy with a radar on his forehead. If she isn't where they are who knows where the hell she is. Also ghislaine is a swordking if anything it makes more sense to try assume that she can make her way home faster then them anyway. So it makes sense to just focus on going home if she isn't around. There is things like money, helping rujierd there is a lot of other things. They spend a long time in a demon continent only seeing demons, horse people and lizard heads. If ghislaine was in any of the cities she was she would have stood out as a sword king beast person.

Angelo
>>83530012

Doesn't matter saint class wizard or not he barely ever left the house that doesn't mean he will survive being transported. He is still fucking 10 and new to adventuring by that logic why should rudy even search for his family. PAUL HIMSELF ADMITS THAT RUDEUS Had help he calls Rujierd his fucking BODYGAURD Zenith and Paul as S rank adventerurs where as in rudy is a adventerur starter so why even search for them if paul can hold of on searching for rudy then why can't rudy hold of on finding these S CLASS ADVENTERURS and first bring Eris this girl home. Paul is just being a hypocrite because he wants his son to do more then he was capable of he himself can't find his family but he wants his 11 year old to do it why? Because he can do magic of water saint class who gives a shit. if talent means you can hold of for finding your son then why even search for zenith. And I'm not excusing rudy running away from his family I'm saying even if rudy did paul would have nothing of value to say because he did it himself. He pushed his own son away just like his dad did to him he is a hypocrite in every sense of the word. When it comes to finding his family when it comes to his parenting every mistake of him is hypocritical.

Angelo
>>83528060

Rudy is a child he isn't 36 he has memories of somebody that is 36 but memories don't make you mature. He is still developing and going through pubertity. No 36 year old has minor development I'm not being biased I'm saying how it is. And no in the new world he is still fucking 11. Nobody treats 11 as near adulthood in this world so stop with your headcanon argument. We define maturity by how far developed you are physically and of course mentally as your body and brain grow a lot when you are a minor. Rudy is under developed and his body does effect him which the novels pretty much tells us like 2-3 times so he is a child. Saying he is not a child and acting like nothing happened is just kinda going against the concept of what reincarnation is.

Devin B
>>83530012

@Angelo I can agree that it was unreasonable for Paul to expect that much of Rudy but the thing that got to him the most was the fact that Rudy didn't even do the bare minimum and at least think about his family like that. Paul has done some questionable things but I'm more leaning towards his side in this situation cause Zenith hasn't even been an adventurer in a long time and Rudy showed that he was capable of a lot so I can't blame him for wanting to look for his wife, Lilia and Aisha over Rudy who has been shown he could defend himself.

Angelo
>>83530012

@Devin B Zenith hasn't been a adventurer in a long time but that doesn't matter when she was adventurer she was S rank the highest there is. Rudy just started in comparison so i don't think that's a fair argument. Rudy is also less familiar with this world then them. Even if you are talented there is still gonna be a difference between a veteran and a talented person in experience. Rudy had time to practice up some experience in combat etc but that was only because rujierd was around and he was able to handle almost everything and he has like a radar on his forehead head that can sense monsters. Also Paul has never been in the demon continent so he doesn't even know how bad it is he can talk a lot but he himself hasn't been there so his opinion is kinda irrelevant on rudy's adventure. And Devin the bare minimum would have been that he got home that should be the bare minimum for your child that he is safe and sound that is what a good parent is. He did think about them when it made sense to think about them when he was in human civilization where he can send messages that may arrive more properly

Devin B
>>83528060

@Angelo I'm pretty sure that definition of maturity doesn't apply to people that have been reincarnated. Even though Rudy has the body of an 11 year old that doesn't change the fact that his memories of his past life has a great effect on his mind. Rudy even refers himself to the age he was before he got reincarnated so why can't we refer to him as an adult? Everyone in the world he's in now should treat Rudy as a kid cause they don't know he got reincarnated but we can refer to him as what he refers to himself as.

dodo
>>83530012

It’s funny that you keep ignoring the fact that this nigga did not even ask to see his mom. And stop saying “he’s 10” He’s 11/12, and in their universe the age of adulthood is 15, so he’s the equivalent of what a 15/16yr old is in ours. + We know he’s like 50. Regardless, he didn’t ask to see his mom, even if he thought she was safe, the least he could do is try to see the rest of his family before leaving. No excuses.

Nachelie

Even in a new world, people who raised and care for you is top priority. This is why I don't like Rudeus that much. Sure he doesn't know what Paul so I'm neutral.

JagA

Please watch the OVA before episode 17. The OVA happens at the same time as ep 16 story was being told.

Angelo
>>83530012

he is not 11/12 he is just 11. I say 10/11 because when paul said hey i'm not gonna look for you he was 10 idiot. He isn't 12 until episode 19. And No that's not how this world works people refer to rudy as a 11 year old child geese also does this. None of them refer to him as close to being a 15-16 your head canon of how it works mixed with our world doesn't matter. he isn't seen as 15 or 16 by any of the cast geese calls him a 11 year old child. Eris still seems to view him as a child for obvious reasons. The only one that doesn't view rudeus as a child is rujierd because of the warrior thing. And no he is not 50 as i said for the last fucking time he is under developed and developing as a minor. Saying he is just 50 feels like people are just completely ignoring reincarnation entails and what it means in shows like these. Rudy is developing like a child and his body even effects him he almost talks to his body as if in the third person. He is a child memories don't matter his past self is dead that body where he spend 34 years in is not alive he died in that body so he isn't 34 or 50.

dodo (edited)

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2022-12-27 17:08:45 Paul failed? You know the mana disaster occurred because of Rudy & another person right? How tf is that Paul’s fault? How is him losing his wives and child him failing? He’s been using every resource possible to find them, but they don’t have fucking cell phones bro wtf are you saying lmao. He isn’t pushing his failures onto his son, he’s calling out his son for not having any sense of responsibility towards his family. Would you look at that, again, you completely ignore the fact that Rudy planned to leave town without trying to see his mothers or other sister. You keep trying to make it “he doesn’t want to see Paul so he left” completely ignoring the fact that he was gonna leave without even asking how they are or trying to see them. Memories definitely do matter, as he was able to increase his mana capacity by an insane amount by practicing magic at the age of 1-2, by putting effort into reading, because he had awareness. Kids don’t have awareness. I can tell you didn’t read the Light Novel just by this response of you thinking him having 34 years of knowledge doesn’t matter at all on this world, when there’s several times throughout the series where it’s shown that it’s actually the exact opposite and it’s given him a great advantage in many aspects. & Of course they don’t refer to him as an adult, he’s not an adult yet. People refer to 15 & 16 year olds as kids too, so i don’t get how that disproves anything i said? 15 & 16 year olds are treated as kids and called minors, but people still expect to have a certain level of maturity/knowledge because of their age and because they’re close to being an adult, in the same way Rudy is. Of course you’ll have different expectations of an 6 year old than a 11 year old, wtf are you even saying. Ight bro you go it, you’re being purposely dense, this is a waste of time i’m not replying anymore, you just want to be right so bad you’ll ignore pretty self evident truths that are right in front of you that multiple people have pointed out because you think there’s no way you could be wrong
2022-05-09 20:51:51 Paul failed? You know the mana disaster occurred because of Rudy & another person right? How tf is that Paul’s fault? How is him losing his wives and child him failing? He’s been using every resource possible to find them, but they don’t have fucking cell phones bro wtf are you saying lmao. He isn’t pushing his failures onto his son, he’s calling out his son for not having any sense of responsibility towards his family. Would you look at that, again, you completely ignore the fact that Rudy planned to leave town without trying to see his mothers or other sister. You keep trying to make it “he doesn’t want to see Paul so he left” completely ignoring the fact that he was gonna leave without even asking how they are or trying to see them. Memories definitely do matter, as he was able to increase his mana capacity by an insane amount by practicing magic at the age of 1-2, by putting effort into reading, because he had awareness. Kids don’t have awareness. I can tell you didn’t read the Light Novel just by this response of you thinking him having 34 years of knowledge doesn’t matter at all on this world, when there’s several times throughout the series where it’s shown that it’s actually the exact opposite and it’s given him a great advantage in many aspects. & Of course they don’t refer to him as an adult, he’s not an adult yet. People refer to 15 & 16 year olds as kids too, so i don’t get how that disproves anything i said? 15 & 16 year olds are treated as kids and called minors, but people still expect to have a certain level of maturity/knowledge because of their age and because they’re close to being an adult, in the same way Rudy is. Of course you’ll have different expectations of an 6 year old than a 11 year old, wtf are you even saying. Ight bro you go it, you’re being purposely dense, this is a waste of time i’m not replying anymore, you just want to be right so bad you’ll ignore pretty self evident truths that are right in front of you that multiple people have pointed out because you think there’s no way you could be wrong
>>83530012

Paul failed? You know the mana disaster occurred because of Rudy & another person right? How tf is that Paul’s fault? How is him losing his wives and child him failing? He’s been using every resource possible to find them, but they don’t have fucking cell phones bro wtf are you saying lmao. He isn’t pushing his failures onto his son, he’s calling out his son for not having any sense of responsibility towards his family. Would you look at that, again, you completely ignore the fact that Rudy planned to leave town without trying to see his mothers or other sister. You keep trying to make it “he doesn’t want to see Paul so he left” completely ignoring the fact that he was gonna leave without even asking how they are or trying to see them. Memories definitely do matter, as he was able to increase his mana capacity by an insane amount by practicing magic at the age of 1-2, by putting effort into reading, because he had awareness. Kids don’t have awareness. I can tell you didn’t read the Light Novel just by this response of you thinking him having 34 years of knowledge doesn’t matter at all on this world, when there’s several times throughout the series where it’s shown that it’s actually the exact opposite and it’s given him a great advantage in many aspects. & Of course they don’t refer to him as an adult, he’s not an adult yet. People refer to 15 & 16 year olds as kids too, so i don’t get how that disproves anything i said? 15 & 16 year olds are treated as kids and called minors, but people still expect to have a certain level of maturity/knowledge because of their age and because they’re close to being an adult, in the same way Rudy is. Of course you’ll have different expectations of an 6 year old than a 11 year old, wtf are you even saying. Ight bro you go it, you’re being purposely dense, this is a waste of time i’m not replying anymore, you just want to be right so bad you’ll ignore pretty self evident truths that are right in front of you that multiple people have pointed out because you think there’s no way you could be wrong

Angelo
>>83528060

@Devin B just because rudy refers himself as a adult doesn't mean he isn't still a minor in development. Rudy refers to himself as a adult because he is very much attached to his traumatized past life which he clearly isn't fully over yet. And i'm pretty sure maturity still applies to people reincarnated if you start of as a baby you still gonna go through the same phases like pubertity as a normal child so i don't think that matters if you reincarnate from scratch the way rudy does. Rudy not being able to seperate his new life from his past life was one of the reasons he looked down upon paul, because he saw paul as somebody that was younger then him. But rudy realizes that he isn't that much more mature then paul as he thought. In fact rudy is pretty childish in his new body if you really compare him to his past self, and it is somewhat implied that his body does effect his state he questions his body all the time in the light novels so i don't call him a adult.

Angelo
>>83530012

No he is pushing his failures out on his son. He was near his wives and children and he LOST THEM regardless of who caused the mana calamity is irrelevant who was near the wives and children Was rudy nearby? NO because he knocked rudy out and SEND HIM packing without his consent and told him not to come back or contact him for FUCKING 8 YEARSSSS. So yes Paul was with his family when it happened and he lost his family. Then he spend a long time FINDING HIS FAMILY and he wasn't able to find shit so he pushes this lose on rudy because he himself failed paul sees himself as shit for not finding his family and he takes it out on rudy which is very obvious in how he behaves. He even says it himself the next episode he is shit and rudy is amazing therefore rudy should be able to do it because he is talented he is pushing his own failure on to rudy. He expects rudy to do what he himself hasn't been able to do that is why i say he is pushing his own failure on to rudy something he himself has not been able to do even tho he knew about the family missing right from the start, but he wants rudy to accomplish it.

Angelo
>>83530012

And i did read the light novels for your information or else i woudln't know he was 12 in episode 19 since it's not said in the anime smartass. When i said memories don't matter i didn't mean as in they are completely irrelevant i mean as in memories doesn't change the fact that rudy is still maturing like a child. As in they don't matter in maturing yes his memories are helpful at times but that is missing the point.

Kai-lo

Looking at rudeus moving forward just to clear up confusion, he's not an adult man in a child body, he is a child. He has old memories of his past life and who he was but that's it. Looking at rude's family, the males are kinda pervy in one way or another. If you one day you remembered your past life, that wouldn't make you still that person your who you are now if that makes sense.

EverlastingGrace

I have to agree with Paul, this kid who is a prodigy is wasting talent and being driven my lust and that's an undeniable fact. Just like Paul said Rudy could've thought more into it but he didn't while Paul was out here doing everything he could to find the family. Rudy was just having fun trying to make new friends, yes while he is a kid in their world he's a fourty year old man to us. He should know better.

Angelo
>>83572050

Rudy is not wasting his talent he was focusing on his own survival and his talents helped with that. Lust has nothing to do with and when it comes to lust paul is worse then rudy. And rudy wasn't nessecarrly having fun making new friends he was trying to focus on things like makinf money etc. And even if rudy was forty paul should be happy another member of his family is found and alive at all.

Angelo
>>83572050

talent doesn't make it okay to have crazy expectations of people paul himself clearly couldn't find his family. Everyone is flawed paul himself included.

EverlastingGrace
>>83572050

I mean Rudy mentioned sylphie before he ever mentioned his mom or sisters, how's he not driven by lust? During all those trials he is driven by that promise that eris made to him. You can't deny the fact that he is driven by lust. How is Paul driven by lust, being driven by lust and simply being lustful is different',, Paul for the last year and a half has devoted himself to finding the family yes he's happy that he found Rudy. He's disappointed considering that Rudy hasn't once written visited or tried anything to get information on the people that vanished. Rudy is in the wrong and so is Paul talking to a "child" like that. I'm defending Paul because at the end of the day Rudy is an adventurer his life is different from a child's he should expect to be treated like an adult.

Angelo
>>83572050

Rudy is not driven by the promise and lust. Rudy was ready to flood rikarisu city in episode 11 and kill people. Rudy doesn't go against his moral compass of killing just for fucking sex you don't seem to understand rudy as a character. How is paul driven by lust? He literally cheated on his wife because she was pregnant and he couldn't have sex every action involving paul is almost driven by sex and lust. If you know all the things paul did then you know this isn't even debatable rudy isn't even nearly as done as bad things as paul based of lust. Rudy promise does not drive him. In the novel he says if eris isn't ready by the time he is 15 he is fine with that. It's not about the promise that makes rudy resolve to kill for eris or die for eris. If he dies for eris he can't even get his promise anyway but he would still die for eris anyway if he had to. In the novel when paul talks about how phillip eris's dad was gonna arrange a marriage for them Rudy condemns paul and says he doesn't want him to talk as if eris is a prize handed to him he values eris feelings way more then the promise. It's not about lust it's about love. But with love comes lust. But it's not the main focus. Also yes rudy is adventurer but that argument doesn't matter so is zenith that doesn't mean you can just do everything. Rudy hasn't even been a adventerur for TWO years. He has only been one for a year and a half and he had help from rujierd and the man god. Even paul himself admits that rujierd was a bodyguard to him so clearly rudy is not perfect. So he shouldn't expect perfection from him that is failing as a dad having these crazy expectations when you are the adult you are the S rank adventurer with a whole search party. Rudy is a beginner adventurer not a veteran with a party of 3 people. And the reason he mentioned sylphie first is because he didn't know and paul kept beating around the bush and didn't say anything. If he didn't care he wouldn't have reacted when paul told him. Also rudy didn't become a adventerur because he is some skilled master or because it was fun he became a adventerur because if he didn't they wouldn't earn any money they had money problems. Food, a Inn to stay in. Hell rujierd comes with his own set of problems like not being allowed in certain cities and discrimination that may cost extra depending on circumstances.

olle spengler

rudeus not thinking about it is maybe understandable but you guys the watchers should know what happened it was literally explained in episode 11 with pauls message and also roxy seeing th dmg it had done to the region

olle spengler

wow rob said something good there about rudeus not seeing them as family. its true tho he doesnt see them as that, not yet atleast. also that he sees this whole thing as a video game. thats exactly what rudeus will say himself in ep 17

Cheater

The thing is Rudeus has no context to how big the Mana disaster was. Like none at all. What information did he have to let him know it effected more than his immediate area? Rudeus got teleported to a God forsaken land, harsh inviroment and still survived.. as a kid. His Dad should be impressed he isn't dead or enslaved like the others who got teleported. I don't get how Rudy was suppose to see Pauls message. Its not like they have a personal message box set up for him. Why would Rudy even think that he would have a personal message for him at the adventurers guild? Its understandable he didn't see it. His Dad is expecting too much outta his like 9 year old kid lol

Cheater
>>83548294

He had no reason to believe his family was in danger. He was trying to survive himself in a hostile environment.

Nachelie
>>83548294

I understand both sides but he doesn't think about them that much. Even if Rudeus didn't believe they were in danger, that should have been the first question when he met up with Paul not a random girl.

Angelo
>>83627905

No rudy didn't see it as a video game he says it because he is upset but we see how seroius he took everything. At first rudy saw it as a video game but by now he has already done so much taking stuff very serious. He was ready to flood rikaru and possibly kill people he was ready to sell his staff. At the windport he was ready to sell his staff etc These are not things rudy does for a game..... Also yes rudy does see them as a family maybe not completely but a degree he does. This is supported by the fact that paul just saying what he said to him hurt him more then his own parents funeral in his past life. Sure rudy is a bit detached from his family especially after being separated for them for so long but he does still do a degree on a level see them as family maybe he doesn't comprehend how much but he does.