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Comments 43 - Lazy Dunes (Patreon)

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2021-11-22 21:30:16
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2022-01

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Lots of smart cookies in this week's batch - LISTEN OR BE CONSUMED.

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Anonymous

This is the hotel: http://www.camelotcastle.com/ Like the hotel itself, you'll have to drill down a little bit on the website to get to the weird stuff. You should definitely go.

Anonymous

http://www.camelotcastle.com/purpose-of-camelot.htm That's got some of that Arabian Nights/King Arthur/Founding Fathers business on it.

Anonymous

Any discussion of how TV shows (especially American) only have beautiful people even when the characters are supposed to be god-forbid actually ugly always reminds me of a scene from the never should’ve been cancelled Better off Ted in which two characters (two less than attractive guys) watch staff members riot over lottery tickets or something and we hear them comment that even ugly things are nicer when beautiful people are doing it.

Steve

I'm lazier than Jim. I love Aickman, the vibe and the writing but I never feel compelled to explain them. An explanation seems to be a rabbit hole, or many rabbit holes, which move away from the experience of the story, perhaps in desperation.

Steve
>>72317277

And here's the artist: https://tedstourton.com/

Anonymous

Let's not forget the Heimlich Counter-Maneuver - The most reliable technique for interrupting the life-saving Heimlich Maneuver.

Anonymous

I ordered the Aickman books after hearing about him on here, I really love these kind of truly weird stories. Lynch is one of my favorite directors and I feel like Aickman really does have a similar feeling which I love. I think you guys should really cover some Kafka, though I'd recommend finding a newer translation if possible, I collect translations of Kafka and I think some of the newer translations are far superior to the old translations though those are the ones that are in public domain. I'd definitely love to hear you guys cover Kafka though, and his influence on modern weird fiction is huge. Ligotti is also really great, I've been re-reading the Penguin "Songs of a Dead Dreamer/Grimscribe" edition and so many of the stories in that are really amazing. If you guys ever decide to do something like a bonus episode on him I'd recommend a story like "The Last Feast of Harlequin".

Anonymous

I've started listening to the Cold Hand in Mine audiobook because of you guys, and it is delightfully Weird and subtly disturbing in a way that tickles me just right.

Anonymous

This is an incredible coincidence. Tearing Down New Illegal Structures is the name of my industrial side project.

Anonymous

I think Ligotti is in his late 60s, so you guys are just going to have to keep podcasting for another few decades in order to cover him. I'm sorry, I don't make the rules. Also, I'd be completely on board for some Dune bonus content.

Anonymous
>>72356097

Very good story choice. That's probably Ligotti's most "Lovecraftian" story. Other good ones, which might be a little more distinctively Ligotti-style, might be "Gas Station Carnivals" and "The Red Tower." Ligotti has this penchant for double-twist stories -- he presents something mysteriously horrific, but then hidden within that horror there's something even more deeply strange and horrific lying in wait. I once ran a Call of Cthulhu game based quite closely on Ligotti's "Our Temporary Supervisor" and to date it's probably the grimmest thing I've ever played.

Anonymous

When Chris is talking about being a fan of Dune I believe the phrase he is looking for is “Dune Buddy”.

Anonymous

I have been cut to the quick! But my comment also led to the episode title. So many mixed feelings!

Anonymous

I would talk Dune stuff with you, Chris. For emperor and all 😉

Darth Pseudonym

You read my comment with such a weird cadence that it felt like I'd written something that was nigh-incomprehensible. I hope I'm not that difficult to understand! What I'd meant about 'art imitates life imitates art' was that, possibly, writers write "she doesn't know she's beautiful" because they know women with (what looks like) weirdly low self-esteem, but then their works reinforce a dichotomy between "wicked woman who uses beauty as a weapon" and "kind ingenue who doesn't know how pretty she is (and that makes her easily manipulated)"

Anonymous

Aickman month generated some of the most engaging comments and interpretative discussion perhaps ever.

Anonymous

It's funny to me that people often comment that stuff like this is pretentious. To me, the ambiguity and unanswerable questions feel more true to life. At least, in my experience. I remember in high school telling my friends that the films of David Lynch were more relatable to me than most media. Might be the way I see the world. I'm on the autism spectrum and am also agnostic, so not understanding what's going on in the world around me and feeling that things may or may not be true is my normal. Works by Lynch, Kafka, or Raymond Carver offer me something I connect to in a way that I rarely get. I need that sometimes.

Anonymous
>>72547876

I feel the same way, Lynch, Aickman, Ligotti, Kafka, etc. really speak to me in a way that any story that over explains things or tries to carry some strict logic don't. Life to me is contained in ambiguity and relativity there's very few things in life which are black and white, and although black and white stories can be entertaining for me personally I find ambiguous stories which break down our sense of reality are my favorite stories which speak to me most deeply and personally and is also why I love the Weird above all other forms of fiction.

Anonymous

Hey friends! While I love the thought of being "An Advanced Sean," I must confess that, much like now, I had no idea what Aickman's stories were about. I completely forgot to mention on last month's episodes that there is no universe in which The Schoolfriend is not about two Sapphic ex-lovers. Every aspect of the story seems to suggest this. The event which caused Mel to move home to live with her parents is almost certainly her being outed and either her husband and queer lover, or just her lover, being forced to leave her in order to save social graces. The things which Sally teaches her which none of their friends seem to be aware of and which Sally urges her to keep a secret are DEFINITELY sexual encounters between the two. Sally's overfamiliarity when she moves back home REEKS of someone with an extensive romantic history. Sally and Mel both asking the other to move in with them is perhaps the most lesbian trope of all time, the classic "u-Haul." The "child ex-nihilo" is a clumsy metaphor for adoption, of creating a child out of nothing in a practice viewed as monstrous by those outside at the time at which this story was written. This is Aickman trying his best, though definitely missing the mark. Finally, the ending seems to drop all pretense. Asking Mel to move to a tiny Greek island in order to raise their child is the least subtle aspect of this story. One must imagine it took every fibre of Aickman's willpower not to choose Lesbos as Sally's island retreat of choice. I am again, SO GLAD that you guys are reading Aickman for this exact reason. Aickman's texts are inherently sexy, inherently feminist, and often willing to grapple with matters of queer identity. The Trains is another great example of queerness as portrayed by Aickman, but I honestly think The Schoolfriend is the best example available. Ty for an excellent show. (Signed, a queer person married to a queer woman.)

Anonymous

Also, I hope my comment gets in in time for the next comment show, LOL

Anonymous

I quite like the comparison between Aikman and De La Marr, because I got flashbacks to Seaton's Aunt listening to you talk about the School Friend. The curious thing is that while I did like the School Friend a lot more than the Hospice it still didn't really resonate with me, while Seaton's Aunt is one of my favorite weird tales. I think my problem with Aickman might be that in part that I don't think he does a good job of walking the tight rope - the ambiguity in School Friend felt more like Aickman just couldn't decide on an explanation to me, and frustrated rather than intrigued - but also that Aickman isn't as capable a writer as De La Marr, who I think is a master of beautiful, weird, dreamlike prose for that extra layer of uncanniness. Still, I'm always glad when this podcast exposes me to new authors! Even when I don't end up liking them, it's expanded my horizons significantly!

Rick Hound

Ah yes Dune and it’s weirdness of a grander cosmic nature. But I remember the Hyperion Cantos series having environments even odder than other sci-fi settings. Especially the Bikura who live far in the Cleft, they were described like a Machanian troglodyte. When it’s revealed why they are like this, it added horror but also a further enigma for the strange planet of Hyperion.