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Episode 564 - The Devil's Crypt - Part 2 (Patreon)

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2021-09-16 20:10:09
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2022-01

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We're closing up The Devil's Crypt by E. Hoffman Price! Join us!

Our reader is Andrew Leman of the podcast Voluminous. Check out their episode on E. Hoffman Price and his correspondence with Lovecraft - Currying Favor!

And while you're at it, pick up the new Dark Adventure Radio Theatre production The Horror in the Museum!

Here's the Past and Present Futures blog post on Price.

And on a MUCH lighter note, here is Greig Johnson's Lloyd's Bank ad!

Comments

Anonymous

Wow, Price actually wrote KKK apologia in *1975*. That's "the name of Lovecraft's cat" levels of awful.

Anonymous

"Lloyd's Bank: Horses, people, and a beach." That made me feel a lot better after hearing Price's opinions about "the sociologically inspired silliness" of the civil rights movement, so thanks for that link. Why is Greig Johnson's name not on everyone's lips? Also: that was some super analysis at the end there about the way stories work, and why sometimes we don't care about stories and just want to see guys in monster suits punch each other. I mean, it's cool when monsters represent fears that we all share, like sexuality (vampires) or conformity (zombies) or the difficulty of finding clothes that fit (werewolves), and those kinds of stories can give us lots to think about. But it's also cool when monsters just punch each other because that's just what monsters do sometimes.

Anonymous

It's good to have these discussions of racism and attitudes of the time. If we don't intelligently examine creators and their works, then I think we are failing, even as fans, to appropriately explore and understand their creations. I always appreciate this podcast's openness and willingness to wrestle with that particularly ugly serpent when it crops up, especially with good humor.

Anonymous

Oof. Well, there's always speculation about whether Howard Lovecraft, racist in his own time, would have softened with the xenophobia if he had lived past 1937. We can see now that one of his contemporaries, who by most accounts would have been less racist than Lovecraft in the 20s and 30s, became a reactionary old man in the 1970s, being pro-vigilante and pro-racist. Heck of a combination and not the sort of thing that inspires hope that Lovecraft would have grown up a little if he lived through the middle of the 20th century. Speaking of that "racist for his time" and piggybacking on Chad talking about his dad, I've long wondered whether Lovecraft inherited his extremism from his grandfather, absorbing the stupidity of that generation rather than having his father and his father's generation hand down whatever watered down racism all of Lovecraft's contemporaries (like Hoffman Price) seem to have had. He clearly idolized his grandfather, given his own pretensions in his letters and the elderly protagonists of so many of his stories, and I think he absorbed the racial attitudes of the mid-19th century because of that. Oh, right, the actual story. I liked the discussion at the end about how this wasn't really a story, and that's okay. Silly entertaining fluff is alright once in a while - but it shouldn't be a steady diet.

Anonymous
>>67986612

Say what you will about synthetic fabrics, but they have been a real boon to the lycanthropic community. Stretch *and* support?! Shut up and take my money!

Anonymous

Damn, really wish I didn’t know Price was that horrible all the way into the friggin’ 70s.

Anonymous

Entertainment is, I think, as valuable as art. If the work whiles away your time, it is successful and worthy of respect. It might make you laugh or cry or stab your fist into the air or spill your popcorn or cheer on the wrestling of demons - it takes on many forms - and entertainment often makes life bearable. Don't get me wrong, I love me some art. And when art is entertaining, well that's just incredible. When we find out the artist or entertainer is bad or a cad or the treasurer of retrograde views, well, that sort of calls all that whiling away and art appreciation into question. It can make us feel dirty by extension. Were we somehow unknowingly complicit? Are we complicit going forward? Can we love the art but hate the artist? Can we love the entertainer and despise the thoughts they entertain? Rough sledding, the lot of it. So sorry to hear of Chad's experiences with his father. That must have been soul-tearing. All the more props due, then, for turning out such a decent fellow.

Anonymous

Others have commented on the racist diatribe so I won't say any more. On another note does anyone else find that the Theosophist elements of the early to mid 20th C Weird have aged the least well of all the outdated tropes of the time? It reminds me of the discussion about ESP a few months back where people were talking about which pseudosciency elements of the Weird we're still willing to suspend disbelief about. I feel that now that Dharmic religions (and related elements of Dharmic philosophies) are a bit more mainstream, the Blatavskyesque old-masters-past-life shtick seems clunky and trite.

Anonymous

Good discussion on hard topics which you both handle with aplomb as you always do, plus topping it off with sprinkles of fun. But thanks for the heads up Chad as boyfriend has really been presuring me to watch Quiet Place 2 this weekend. Begin girding loins.

Anonymous

I've heard of a "Battle of Wills", but this is ridiculous!

Anonymous

"He Withstood the Beast by Pure Force of Will to Slay" sounds like Pitch Black Manor's next album title! Definitely a great line. I had misread it at first as "I withstood the BEATS by pure force of will to slay," and I was reminded of the last time I was in a club and didn't want to dance.

Anonymous

“Pulled a few boners” and “Go whole hog” are unintentional sexual innuendos made all the funnier coming from the mouth of an aggrieved segregationist. Also, Chris’s reactions to this unpleasant knowledge really made me smile for their relatability. His, “Is this bad news?” question completely sums up my feelings when I feel I’m about to find out something heinous.

Anonymous

Chad: I feel you on the racist parent thing. I’m 38 and still dealing with it (and weekly therapy)

Steve

Now I'm worried about Chris's grandmother.

Anonymous

I apologize but I can’t listen to you guy anymore. I’ve listened for years but I’ve grown tired of hearing tangents about racism and sexism.

Anonymous

“Is the whole purpose just to bring about the second demon, or is that then going to do something? What’s the big goal of this?” DON JOSE MASTER PLAN PHASE 1 Create Demons PHASE 2 ? PHASE 3 Profit

Anonymous
>>68006872

A lot of Theosophist literary devices have fallen out of favor, but the "secret lodge somewhere in Asia" trope keeps chugging along. Off the top of my head, there's the League of Shadows in Nolan's Batman trilogy, and the occult order of Kamar-Taj in DOCTOR STRANGE from Marvel Studios. Yes, those elements come from comic books published decades ago, but the choice was made to include them in 21st-century films.

Anonymous

Did I miss it in all the macho purple prose, did they ever say why the twin sister was attacked but killed instead of sacrificed? Somewhere in all that astrology d'Artois figured out she was close but not good enough for the ritual? I liked how Barrett was considerate enough to give Yvonne like a day or 2 to grieve her sister (surely no more!) before the sexy time begins.

Anonymous

I had an older father, passed now, who sometime said things that were off or the product of some propaganda, but was considerably liberal for his time. In the 50s he served in the army in a racially integrated unit. We have pictures of him standing in a lineup of mostly black soldiers. It's to my benefit I was raised by a father who had an open attitude towards diversity and who'd gained perspective by traveling the world. It certainly made the dinner table nicer.