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Episode 487 - The Demoiselle D'ys (Patreon)

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2020-02-13 17:38:17
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2021-07

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Our obeisance to The King in Yellow continues with a discussion of The Demoiselle D'ys!

Special thanks to our royal reader, Wyatt S. Gray!

Here's that article from The Classic Horror Blog on the story.

And info on Jeanne la Flamme at History of Royal Women.

Next up: a bonus ep on our bookshelves and then The Street of the Four Winds with guest Kenneth Hite!


Comments

Anonymous

Bristol Represent!

Anonymous

Also, I reread the story trying to find other weird elements or links to The King in Yellow. I like to think the reason the play itself isn't featured is that this is all happening well before the actions of the play, but it's there, lurking in the timeline. One fun piece of folklore is that gorse is mentioned several times at the beginning of the story. It's a shrub with very spiny stems and bright yellow flowers that have an intense fragrance, almost growing sickly. And it always seems to be flowering. Pulling it into the romantic nature of this story, there's an old Scottish saying that goes "When gorse is out of flower, kissing is out of fashion."

Anonymous

I have a real soft spot for this sort of story. The love portal across time. Heck, there's even a touch of it in Inception. (And The Who's "Pictures of Lilly"?) Unfortunately, most of these are badly written. And this is where we have to give Robert W. Chambers a great deal of thankful praise. He handles the material deftly, drops in little hints and Easter eggs, and glides you through to a mildly Weird ending. Thanks for covering it, gents. It was certainly a new one for me.

Anonymous

A fine example of that old adage, the way to make love last forever is to wear sturdy boots. Bonus marks for throwing in a Kate Leopold reference.

Steve

So Jeanne has a soft J and then it's anne, so Zhanne. And in French Anne is more A-ne, the end more pronounced than the English An. So Jeanne la Flamme almost rhymes. Jean is Zhen.

Steve

I'm not sure about the translation either. Quittez Rosette et Jeanneton (...) Ou, pour rabattre, dès l’aurore Que les amours soient de planton Leave behind Rosette and Jeanneton, Or, to drive the game, as dawn comes Let lovers be as orderlies (i.e. stationed outside your tent, awaiting your orders). So it's about leaving your girlfriends behind, and going out looking for more game, i.e. women. Especially as a later verse says: Gabrielle daignait permettre Qu’on braconnât dans son canton, Gabrielle deigned to allow That one poached in her district.

Anonymous

Until the end I thought we were dealing with a Brigadoon situation (damn hunters lost on moors discovering disappearing villages). (Or, if "Brigadoon" is obscure, the planet Meridian in the Gamma Quadrant.) When it was over it seemed, fittingly enough, instead like "An Inhabitant of Carcosa," but with more sexy falconers.

Anonymous

Well, at least he almost had a bit of hot sexy time which is more than what happens in most gothic romances where the fair maiden typically morphs into that Overlook Hotel bathroom lady. Then again what was the whole courage thing? If not for the snake and he and jaundice had bumped boots, would he have been stuck in renaissance fairland forever? So the snake is the hero? Well it is a tentacle with a head, so appropriate I suppose. It was a nice tale, but hoping for something more bloodcurdling or at least disturbing in weeks to come. The weather where I am really calls for that. Any thoughts about Locke & Key? I'm mostly disappointed and rereading all the graphic novels now to assuage them Riverdaling everything these days. Here's hoping Umbrella Academy will be just as good in S2 and Altered Carbon is back soon for some more transhumanising.

Anonymous

One thing I noticed in the story was that Philip noted earlier he was carrying some sort of gun because he had been hunting. It made me think if he had been hundreds of years back in time, wouldn't that have stood out to the people there? That and the fact none of them seemed confused by the clothes he wore made me think this was something deeper than just a time travel story.

Anonymous

guys, "maid" isn't necessarily a cleaning person. It can also mean a young unmarried woman... or in French "demoiselle"

Anonymous

Writing this as I'm listening so I don't know if you guys address this. I'm pretty sure there's an allusion to the Fall of Man with the viper. Genesis 3:15 has God cursing the serpent who tempted Eve, saying Eve's offsprings foot shall crush it's head and it shall bite his heel. Our protagonist has been exiled by a serpent from an otherwordly (or othertimely) Garden of Delights and cast back into the mundane world.

Anonymous

So was I the only one who thought the protagonist was going to be transformed into a falcon in the end?

Anonymous
>>32457342

I always wondered if the stories that don’t reference the play, are actually excepts from the play. This story in particular has such a common theme that it might serve as an audiences entry-point to a narrative that becomes weirder and weirder until (before you know it) it’s too late to stop. It’s a notion that always creeped me out a little reading the book, as though hidden between warnings of the thing, you are being drawn into the thing itself.

Devin Trim

Hey guys, been a fan from the very start, just never commented before. But Chad’s accent (when she first sees the narrator) was so damn funny I couldn’t let it go unmentioned. Sounded like a French girl who learned English as a foreign exchange student in the deep American south. Paris, Tennessee, perhaps?

Anonymous
>>32489691

I read the first one or two of the graphic novel. Then I waited for a compilation to come out and Bob's your uncle, 9 years later it's on Netflix...oops, heh, I hate it when that happens.

Anonymous

I've already said I think the stories all occur at the same local, or on the same street and tend to upend conventional expectations. It may have just been a story to round out the book, but I like to think that this is the very beginning of the King in Yellow weirdness. Tin Hat Theory #36: I always found something about this story vaguely threatening, but couldn't put my finger on why. Now I think it is the men speaking in a sort of secret (to me) code. Are they in on a joke? Chad's info about falconing, specifically, the parallels of "giving him a taste," makes it seem like an obvious metaphor for what happens to both of them. Each had just a taste. Do you guys think she let him go?

Anonymous

“ more sexy falconers“ — a literary trend I hope we can all

Anonymous

support.

Ilker Yucel

Somehow, this reminded me a bit of Lovecraft's The Tomb...

Anonymous

Did anyone else think of Outlander? (The TV show/novel series, not the cool mad max inspired megadrive game)

Anonymous
>>32496734

I was brought back to the protagonist's family crest in Cask of Amontillado, of the foot crushing the snake.

witchhousemedia
>>32493405

Did we give the impression we didn't understand that? I don't recall us talking about any cleaning ladies.

Anonymous

I found it funny that he was baffled by her reaction to his sexist comment. "Why is she so upset? I only said that women were garbage."

Anonymous

I liked the music on this episode. Is there a new Fifer album in the pipeline? Fifer: Moods? Fifer Moves In? Fifer In A Mexican Groove? Fifer Out Of Time?

Anonymous

I loved this story however the author really threw me with the late 16th century date on her memorial... Not quite medieval.