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Comments Show 4 - Some Lame Eyes (Patreon)

Published:
2018-08-24 22:05:46
Edited:
2019-01-04 02:48:20
Imported:
2021-07

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Releasing our comments show a bit early, as we'll be on vacation next week!

We'll be back in September. Thanks to everybody for your comments!

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Anonymous

I think Chris is absolutely right about the quality of the stories written by pre-1923 women and the reason for it. You know the saying about how Ginger Rogers had to do everything Fred Astaire did but backwards and in high heels. Also, just wanted to let you guys know that I really enjoyed the strategies show and plan to play that game with my friends at our next game night. But everyone has to drink whenever someone's strategy involves honorably announcing to Jackie Chan that they've shat themselves. :) PS - I feel like I should add (in reference to the From the Dead episode) that if you come back from the dead and don't use that opportunity to scare the shit out of your spouse so you can both laugh about it later, that relationship was never going to last anyway.

Anonymous

You guys ever work out the kinks in the turning into flies shtick and I'll get you booked all over Japan. Stick with me, lads, and you'll never want for the blood of virgins.

Anonymous

Chris and chad’s dream journal wouldn’t be a terrible spin off of this show

Anonymous

What was the "strategies show" that was mentioned in this episode?

stratum
>>14947420

It was the last topics show for $6+ patrons. It was basically a bunch of questions rapid fire style: "After party you are tired and you need to go to sleep, only free spots are the floor which is covered in shit or on one side of the bed, on which is naked Kiefer Sutherland sleeping, laying on top of the covers. What do you do?" etc. I'm badly paraphrasing the question, but there you go. It was hilarious show. Both answered the questions and posed their own questions. I think having guests in that kind of show would be great, make them do few of their own questions as well as posing bunch of your own.

Anonymous

Not to nitpick but I think it was Donald and with all due respect to those who like their men tall and lanky it would have been a difficult choice, unlike the no brainer if it were Kiefer. Wouldn't have even needed a shitty floor to entice me bedwise. 24 Kiefer or sleepers Kiefer or lost boys Kiefer any and all would be fine. I would just be afraid Donald might pull a body snatcher scream reenactment

Anonymous
>>14948721

Considering the nature of the hypothetical, it would probably be Dark City Kiefer--bum leg, wonky eye, and heart condition included.

Jeremy Impson

There's no grandfather paradox in The Eyes. A grandfather paradox involves going back in time to irrefutably change the way something was (e.g. how can you kill your grandfather and still survive to become him?) The Eyes has a very good example of Bill & Ted time manipulation, where they make mental notes to come back later in their personal timeline to arrange something now. It's a loop of sorts, but no paradox. It happened, is happening, and will happen, always.

Anonymous

You said you were open to ideas for the bonus shows; I suggest you record a short Call of Cthulhu game. Maybe have a guest or two on to round out the party?

Anonymous
>>14968604

strongly second. Delta Green would be my choice and really think should have Rachel and Heather (along with Andrew) and Robert Price as the keeper. Needless to say, I've given this more than a bit of thought. Finally, video please!

Anonymous

Sorry for posting twice - not sure where to post anymore Facebook or here

Anonymous

Hi everyone Keen to get your thoughts on this. I have been thinking about Chris’ recent comments about Lovecraft’s racism and apparently decreasing his enjoyment of his work and stories like Shadow over Innsmouth. I think there has been too much focus on this as the source and explanation of his stories. I do not read Shadow and then jump to the conclusion that HPO hated blacks. I think you can read that story and say- man what a great story and what a great concept of a village that’s been taken over and corrupted by aquatic demons. Now it is unavoidable to acknowledge that Lovecraft harboured racist feelings. But he also married a Jewish woman. My belief is that HP’s racism was actual a manifestation of a broader fear that is a fear of the lower classes, of course many of whom were black or foreign. To HP this group represented a great unknown (and remember that’s the oldest of all fears!). This is treated in many of his stories by the portrayal of rural people. Note all his protagonists are either aesthetes, intellectuals, professors or artists. There are no Joe Schmoes in his works. We have to wait for later authors such as Ramsey Campbell or Shea for those characters to appear. If you look at his stories as a collective there is definitely a theme of reverse evolution, often caused by inbreeding. This particularly comes through in The Lurking Fear, where both the Martnese family, and the local farmers, are inbred. Admittedly one more so than the other. These aren’t coloured or foreign communities (although The Martense family is originally Dutch). These are white folk, but the locals are all lower class. Don’t get me wrong I’m not saying Lovecraft wasn’t racist, but I think it was part of a broader fear of the lower classes. And I also think we shouldn’t read every story as if it’s a smoking gun of his racism. I admit I dislike the post-modernist view of literature where any meaning or interpretation of literature is valid no matter how divorced it is from the actual intent of the author. I don’t think you need to read Innsmouth as a racist diatribe or a bout of latent homosexuality self-loathing. Can’t it just be about some Deep Ones getting jiggy with the locals. Perhaps, just perhaps Lovecraft’s only secret shame was that he was not born of noble pedigree. He certainly would have like to have been descended from a ‘great’ family and to have had some crumbling castle waiting for him the old land. Maybe his fear was that he was just too ordinary. I would also like to think that if he had meet a foreigner or American black who shared his interests in classical stories, weird fiction and English history, he would have found himself capable of forming a friendship with them as an individual and forgetting about their race, like he did with Sonia Greene.

Anonymous
>>14991881

While it's true that Lovecraft married a Jewish woman, she wrote that he used to go on anti-semitic rants to her. When she reminded him of her ethnicity, "he'd tell me I 'no longer belonged to those mongrels.' 'You are now Mrs. H.P. Lovecraft of 598 Angell St., Providence, Rhode Island.'"

Anonymous

I have an idea for a future bonus show. C'mon guys let's do it, "Cats vs. Dogs" — a.k.a. H.P. Lovecraft vs. Robert E. Howard, a.k.a. bad ass Texan Two-Gun Bob vs. the scholarly New Englander Grandpa Howie! Because, as we all know, the argument has never really been about cats and dogs, rather it just stands as a reflection of the conflicting characters of these two weird fiction giants. Lovecraft has always had more of an emphasis on the mental states of his protagonists rather than the dominance of the physical seen in Howard's. It seems to make sense why they vehemently preferred one animal over the other. Like instead of attacking each other's personalities and worldviews head on, they used their favorite animals to do it for them! And I heard the two argued over the matter extensively in their letters. A humorous quote was even read on the show "The Hoofed Thing" I believe. I know Lovecraft even wrote an essay on the topic entitled "Cats and Dogs." It would just be great to hear some excerpts read from these pieces, how they emphasize the contrast of character between these two writers, and the guys' take themselves on the age-old debate!

Anonymous

I was contemplating the weird in Lovecraft. Because of years of reading his stories playing CoC we have come to know the Mythos too well for it to remain weird. We read a story and go oh yeah that’s a Deep One or that’s a shoggth or , personality change must be a Yithian mind swap. We need to make the mythos weird again!

Richard Horsman

It's not post modern to see Innsmouth as having a racist basis though. It's explicitly about the horrors of two races interbreeding, which is absolutely not mainly about class. It was common wisdom among racists of the time (hell, of this time too) that interbreeding was bad. It feels like jumping through hoops to make it be about HPL's feelings of class inferiority and simple fear of the unknown, when we have its context. It's still a great story, but so is The Merchant of Venice. Sometimes what great lit comes from is ugly and bad.

Anonymous

I think that's a false dichotomy though. We can have fun looking at the man's work while still acknowledging and deploring the man's attitudes and being aware of how that informs his work. As a non white Lovecraft fan I know this is something that can be done. Unfortunately all too often online, rather than honest acknowledgement, there tends to be a good deal of wriggling to try to close one eye to the entire distasteful situation. On one of the weird fiction subreddits, no less a titan of the Weird than Ramsey Campbell himself once rebutted an (admittedly overly heated) assertion of mine that Lovecraft was a vile person for his racist views. His rebuttal involved having spoken with August Derleth, Robert Bloch and a whole load of the other first gen Lovecraft circle who always said what a nice person he was. To which my reply was something to the effect of that certainly proving Lovecraft had no issues with other white dudes. Now while my comment on Lovecraft as vile was certainly overblown, the immediate rush to try to defend him in such an illogical way was par for the course for these sort of discussions. I get it, no one wants to think that their favourite author was in some ways a very nasty person. Unfortunately non-white Lovecraft fans *have* to make that distinction between the man and his work. I don't think it leaves us any less willing to have fun with his writing, for the most part- and I don't think it means the guys are having any less fun with Lovecraft's work.

Anonymous

He often presents the counterargument to the main mythos storyline or implies deeper concepts. Yes, being a Deep One could be an awful prospect pre-change, but, maybe it's blissful. A big plus, you get to see your relatives again.

Anonymous
>>15271190

That might be part of the horror. You know, not only do you become a degenerate (apparently) fish person, but worst of all, you'll like it!

Anonymous

I'd love to see you guys do a short drama based off of Andrew's vampire flies dream :)

Anonymous

I'm still waiting for "Bartle- Bette the scrivinette."

Anonymous

Yay! I can't wait for the Monstertalk crossover. Unless I missed it? I discovered your awesome show 2 years ago and I'm still catching up, so I'm (fashionably?) late to the party. Anyway, you and Monstertalk are my top 2 podcasts!