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season 6, ep 13 (Patreon)

Published:
2023-05-16 15:58:49
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2023-07-04 14:55:28
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not the buffy tears again 😭😭

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Buffy Season 6, Ep 13 - Dead Things

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Erika

can’t wait till my lunch break to cry with ya! 🤭😂

Raven Dark

I actually really love this episode, and your reaction was fabulous, Darcie. While sometimes the nerds annoy me, I like them here. Because up until now, they've been doing a lot of annoying things that kinda don't pan out, but here, they became a legitimate threat. In the scene outside the police station where Spike tries to stop Buffy from turning herself in, there are two things I always find interesting. One, when Spike says, "How many people have you saved? One dead girl doesn't tip the scale." I can't help noticing how much he sounds like Faith after she kills the mayor's assistant in season 3. And two, notice how much what Buffy does and says to Spike in that police station scene sounds like Faith in season 4. At the end of Who Are You?, when Faith was in Buffy's body, she was pounding on her own face (with Buffy inside it). Faith said to Buffy, "You're nothing! Disgusting, murderous bitch, you're nothing!" Faith wasn't beating up Buffy. She was beating up herself, and calling herself those things out of self-loathing. Here, with Spike, as Buffy punches him, she's using very similar language. "You don't have a soul. There is nothing good or clean in you. You can't feel anything real." In OMWF, she says how she can't feel anything, how she wants the fire back. Willow pointed out in an earlier episode how she hasn't been showing emotions properly. Buffy thinks she can't feel things. She thinks she killed someone, did something evil. She thinks Spike can hurt her because she "came back wrong." I think, for the most part, she wasn't talking about Spike. She was mostly describing herself, doing things to him she wants to do to herself. Just like Faith. And then that ending scene. What an emotional gut punch, and so wonderfully executed by SMG and Amber Benson. This show is fracking brilliant.

Raven Dark

One other quick thing I meant to say in my previous comment, but I didn't want to try to add it in, you know, in case Patreon eats it. In a way, part of what makes this episode so powerful is the fact that the three nerds have been, until now, largely played for a joke. Because they've been so ineffective, no one expects them to be so dangerous and callous and sick as they were with Katrina, and then later, with Buffy's life and freedom. It's a rare case where, something that seems like it's nothing but an irritant, now plays into the show's strengths, giving this episode more impact. Especially coming off of what, for the most part, was a silly episode, like Gone. I doubt what Warren and the others did in this episode would have seemed quite as scary if they seemed like they'd go this far from the outset. Their laughabilty gave everything they did here ten times more weight than it would have otherwise carried. Oh, and I also like how much Danny Strong (Johnathan) was able to show us in that one scene with just his expression and a slight shift in his tone of voice. He said, "Yeah, cool," but just by his face and his voice, we know he is not on board with where Warren is taking the group. We can also tell he is probably scared of standing up to him. Really well done. Judging by the way Warren looked at him right before he spoke, it's also probably worthy of note that it looks like Johnathan's change in demeanor didn't go unnoticed by at least Warren, if not Andrew as well.

indaeo

This is a hard episode to watch, but such an important one in Buffy's S6 journey. The scene outside the police station hurts so much, knowing she's punching/hurting and saying all those things as a way to punish herself. I've seen some people theorize that the balcony scene didn't really happen and was more in Buffy's mind. I had never thought that before and I tried watching it that way with this viewing and I have to say, I could see it. I always thought the mausoleum door scene right after felt odd, and having the balcony moment be in her mind would definitely highlight Buffy's internal voice a bit more. Either way, our Buffy is going through it. Any time SMG or Alyson tear up, I'm a goner. That last scene is masterful acting from both Sarah and Amber.

StephanieB
>>108670261

I like that theory that the balcony scene is in Buffy's mind, I've heard that too. And I love the idea of it, it would give a more layered meaning to the scene. I think in this episode you can make an argument for it - but unfortunately due to something spoilery it's later proven not to be the case.

StephanieB

I love this episode, one of the best episodes of the season, in my opinion. Very underrated. I do have one issue with it however that I never see anyone point out- and it's something I never really considered until rewatching the series. Buffy is so sure her friends would judge her for her relationship with Spike but back in season 5, "Intervention", they actually all think she is sleeping with him when Xander and Anya see Spike with the Buffybot in the graveyard. And they confront her about it. Xander is really rather understanding about it in that ep: "He's strong and mysterious and sort of compact but well muscled...". Of course the whole thing is played for laughs. Ironically Tara is the least understanding at that point, saying Buffy is "nuts"! It's a little crazy when you think about it because the season 5 ep is BEFORE Spike is really part of the gang and the graveyard scene is before he shows any loyalty to Buffy and Dawn (of course that changes by the end of that episode, when Buffy kisses Spike's Glory-beaten face). You would think after all the Scoobies have been through with Spike at this point in the series they would be even more understanding of Buffy developing feelings for him. All this to say, why is Buffy now so sure that her friends will not understand? I think in the end it is more about Buffy not understanding her own actions and feelings. Before her death at the end of S5, she lived in a very black-and-white world (soul = Good and human, no soul= Evil and demon) and since she's come back, she is seeing many more shades of gray and doesn't know how to fit it into her world view. The fact that she asks Tara not to forgive her is of course because she cannot forgive herself for disobeying her own self-imposed "rules". Poor Buf. It's heartbreaking.

StephanieB

A couple other notes: Swing dancing made a big comeback in the early 2000's, at least in California. There were several clubs that regularly ran Swing Dance Nights, most notably a place called The Brown Derby. I think the Bronze scene was a nod to the trend. Also, upon rewatch I noticed that at the Doublemeat Palace, Buffy is rubbing her wrists when telling Tara that Spike can hurt her now... I think she did let him use the handcuffs on her after all.

Erin

I absolutely love this episode. It's so well done, and really just paints the picture of how messy and dark everything has become for Buffy. Buffy going to Tara is so perfect, like you said she's the perfect person to confide in! She's so understanding and non-judgmental. There's actually a deleted clip from the end scene with Tara and Buffy where Buffy says to Tara, "You don't know how hard it is. Lying to everyone you love about who you're sleeping with." And Tara responds, "Sweetie, I'm a f*g. I've been there." Tara is just the best friend to have. We know that she went through so much with her family and she chooses to make sure no one else feels judged. ❤️

Bethany Burndred

I don't know if this is just me, but there is no video attached to this post that I can see? :( Am I missing something?

Sika6061

Yeah, where's the vid?