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Hey guys, this is something else I had in mind that I wanted to discuss.

While rendering for v0.06, I'm thinking a lot and planning for the next couple version of the story, and inevitably we'll be meeting a lot of new male characters. I have all of their "characters"/personalities planned out in my head, but we'll be meeting more in Ali's group, and more after that. And it got me thinking. We haven't really had a discussion revolving around the men in this "universe" and how the average man behaves and acts, especially in regards to women and how they treat them.

For example, so far we have Terry, who's kind of just the nice guy. There's Jedidiah who is old and bit weird, but honestly fairly decent considering he isn't particularly rude and never forces Tiffany to do anything. Nice enough when you compare him to some of the others guys we've met so far. Like Robert and George for example, who are obviously cut from the same cloth (being brothers and all) and they have a kind of rude and repulsiveness to them that's intentional as they feed into the hot girls with ugly-guys type of fetish. They don't really have a problem saying lewd things, exposing themselves, or even forcing themselves on girls if they think they can get away with it. And then you've got Dr. Milburn who I'd say is actually the worst given that he want's to literally lock girls away in his basement and build his own pregslave harem.

Considering all of this, it did get me thinking. In this hyper-sexualised world, where everyone has crazy proportions and the women all dress and (probably the majority) act like sluts, which of these types of men are closest to the average male's treatment of women?

Should most guys in this world be "normal", kind of like Terry, and it's only those hyper-sexualised key male characters that you meet throughout Ashton Lake (most of whom all have ties to F.W.I. one way or another...) that act in an overtly sexual way towards the female characters?

Or, would you prefer it if the average, or even vast majority of men in this world treated the women like sluts, degrading them, treating them like objects, etc, as if it was normal in this world?


Again, not every character would be written in the same way, I definitely have plans for plenty of Male characters who are not assholes and look objectively nicer/more attractive, haha. And certain types of characters are needed for certain roles, etc. I plan on there being some male characters where the female characters take a more dominant role. But it was an interesting thought, and I thought I warranted a discussion to see what you guys think? Since It's good for writing purposes, especially for good "world building"/"lore" reasons that I decide on how I should handle the status quo, of the society these characters inhabited before the apocalypse began...

So let me know in the comments bellow. I'd like to get a lot of feedback on this topic, I will probably do a poll on it later, but I want to see what other ideas people have about how the "normal" male character should act, since I'm still on the fence at this point. And I also don't want to turn people away if they don't like that angle either.


Finally, and I know it probably doesn't need to be said, but just in case anyone gets the wrong idea here, this has nothing to do with how I think women should be treated/depicted IRL, this is purely about a fantasy fetish decision that may or may not improve the "sexiness" of the game-world and the characters that inhabit it for a lot of people. That's why I want to get your opinions. It's all just for fun. Nothing about my writing would really change anyway, it'd just be in relation to future dialogue written for male characters and basically determining if characters like George and Robert are outliers, or are they the norm in this crazy, hyper-sexualised world?


Give me your thoughts on this topic. I'm interested to see what type of world people would ideally want this to be. :)

Again, thanks for your support, patience and input.

~ Jim

Comments

friendlytraveler

Like, I actually think that in this sort of reality, it would honestly be a sort of even mix of the two, because yes in this world most women are hot as hell, and such that would give rise to a lot of ugly fuckers being desperate. But at the same time, men would definitely also keep to the nice guy side of it all, being loving and caring of potential lovers. But at the same time, this is a contained incident, where people are trapped in a small town, surrounded by Walls. As such, it could very well go either way.

Anonymous

If it were a scale of 1-10 (Terry to Milburn) with Robert/George at about a 5. I would like to see the norm be somewhere inbetween Terry and Robert. A nice 4-to-6 range. They are not outright hostile and possessive as Milburn, but not nice guiys like Terry. Something like the main goal of every encounter with the opposite sex is getting laid. Tricks and blackmail is not beneath the "normal" male, but they aren't about to go smack a bitch for nothing.

Jimjim3dx

Oh yeah, I certainly have plans for you it's going to end up eventually towards the endgame. But yeah, this was more about Society as it is/was before things go to shit.

Anonymous

Not to say that I wouldn't enjoy a male that is in the opposite seat. Where women just flock around him and he reluctantly agrees to their desires. Maybe he is irresistible because of some kind of pheremone treatment he got.

Anonymous

In this kinda game you gotta have at least one character who's the biggest asshole (maybe a total scumbag) and the rest are somewhat normal. It's still like an apocalypse so there aren't gonna be like perfect 10's maybe 1 or 2 but everyone else is on edge especially in their situation

Anonymous

Well, hexamore has a good point there. My personal opinion would be that the "world" is a little darker than his depiction, if we think about it, if in our world almost every female would be hot af and almost always horny af, that would make the society as a whole more accepting of a sloot nature and would treat that way... I think at least. So the average male would treat them like they see them, as sluts. As such the "rating" would be above a 5? So like 5-7. In that way the "nice" guys could stick out even more in contrast to almost all the a..holes out there. That would make them really attractive for some of the girls, who might not know what it's like to be treated with respect. Well I hope you could follow me and my weird thoughts

Jimjim3dx

Thanks for the input. I mean, there will be nice guys and assholes (and everything in-between) regardless, so I guess it's just more a matter of, which is the social norm in this world. For example, when Robert gets his dick out in hopes of impressing/seducing Tiffany and asks if he can impregnate her. Would that be something that a "normal"/average guy would do, or would that be some super rude, disgusting outlandish behavior (like it would be in our world). Those kinds of differences between what is considered just a normal thing to do/expect in this world.

Kane

I think it can be a bit darker but the majority should still behave normal. As you can depricite the women later on it doesn't make sense to be in a world where woman are just Sex objects. Being depricite would be a standard situation as they know nothing else. Hope it makes sense. On the other hand if the man behave normal they can turn darker over time as they realize that no help is coming.

Gryphon

I should think that if Terry was not the more prevalent type, the men and women of this world would be waging a literal war of the sexes.

Anonymous

If most of the women are straight up horny all the time then sexual and perverted stuff would be the norm

Jimjim3dx

Well, I would say that it is the norm, people just don’t let it get in the way of living, if that makes sense. And it’s not as if the sorts of extreme sexual scenarios being rapidly thrown at Tiffany and the girls are by any means normal even by this words standards. There’s be a big difference between getting attacked by super hung zombies and beats all day, and say, something perverted that may be considered normal in this’s world, say calling someone a slut, or groping someone’s ass. And I wouldn’t say that they are horny all of the time, rather that they become horny easily.

Jimjim3dx

I guess I should also clarify, I’m not suggesting women in this world would be oppressed or anything. Their are still plenty of women in positions of Authority and Power, and they get the respect that comes with that power, but are still equally subject to acts of pervertedness that all women would be exposed to. I have plans for a female Mayor character at some point, you have police women like Tiffany, and Ali is special forces and the leader of her group of survivors. So again it’s less about oppression and more about socially accepted acts of pervertedness and treatment of women. An example could be, that it’s perfectly acceptable for a man to tell a woman what he wants to do to her, and it would be seen more as a compliment (albeit still a potentially creepy one depending on the specific context) than as an act of offensive harassment or something punishable, and things of that nature.

Kvothe

I would argue that men and women are way more horny in that universe than ours. BUT I still think that the women we have seen so far show that they would not sleep with any guy. So for the men to be more forceful to 'persuade' the women (which in our world would be treated as 'forcing/raping' because everything is simply dialed up a notch) would make sense to me =) Plus... Forcing those women to fuck is something that would kind of make sense in the whole lore. Furthermore I think that 'love' as such is very rare in that universe so 'sex' is really just 'fucking' because of lust,passion and dominance. Rough sex should therefore be the norm. And rougher fucking is also acceptable in these social structures. For example: The fact that Jebedia did not ram his cock ballsdeep into Tiffany should actually be something special because Jebedia is a very very VERY nice man. 'Normal' men would not be so sympathetic because as I understand it the priority is burying your cock in her. At least sthat is what I think the psyche of men living in this world would look like. In conclusion: I want to see rough sex where men have to (if necessary) force the women who, even if horny, try to defend themselves- depending on the scenario of course =)

Anonymous

I mean, most guys in real life are like Jedidiah and Terry. Some are weird, but on the whole, nice guys. Then there's the Terry type of guys, that are just nice, no weirdness. It's only the assholes that give guys bad names like the brothers. So, tbh, I would think most guys in this fictional world, would be nice as well, but a little weird, having their own fetishes. Like, near the end game, you could have it be that some guys like Futanari, and have Futanari wives(women that didn't become zombies but still changed by the treatment)/zombie wives and pleasure said wives freely because they were heavily resistant/immune to the zombie virus.

Jimjim3dx

Yes that’s an interesting way of putting it. Though tbf, we’ve barely really seen how Characters like Debra, Hitomi and Vanessa act when they are actually aroused. So I think their generally more conservative personalities give off the impression that they can’t be just as easily turned on as Tiffany given the right circumstances. And yes, sex is kind of treated like a battle in a way. The women are all generally submissive, so they get off on being dominated during sex. So the more aggressive the sex act, the faster they’d tend to submit in return, kind of as a show of respect for the effort being made to pleasure them. Something like that anyway.

Anonymous

Yeah, it'd be like our world, except there's the knowledge that most women will put out if you push them just a bit, so it's worth a shot. If you were the average woman of this world being treated like a slut by some guys, you might think they were anywhere from being kinda cute to being kinda rude depending on your mood.

Jimjim3dx

Yeah, and I respect that side of it as well. It just comes down to wether or not people think it creates a sexier world if the socially acceptable norms are adjusted in an extreme way to fit the hyper sexualised narrative. But it’s all subjective. And yeah, will almost definitely have a scene where a guy fucks a zombie girl. Don’t know about guy on Futa, but maybe for one scene towards the end game like you suggest.

deamonmaster

I imagine both the men and women have a much higher baseline level of horniness, and being more willing to show it casually. Staring at a girl's rack or a guy's bulge isn't considered rude. And it goes even farther with the men, a quick grope of a girl tits is likely to be laughed off if it doesn't go on too long. Furthermore, guys are less willing to take no for an answer when a girl refuses sex without a reason. Essentially, you know those stories about girls getting groped on trains? That is closer to baseline interaction than it is a pervert trying to take advantage of a girl in a position where she has a hard time fighting back.

Wolfregis

I think that since the setting is one of a more sexual nature then it would make sense that morals and societal outlooks would fall in line with that manner of thinking. So having men and women be more open to sexual encounters or situations and treating it as normal as ordering a cup of coffee shouldn't be too much of a stretch. So maybe having the men be a tad more aggressive in their advances would make sense as it would for the women to be more recipient to these advances. However, the level of aggression exhibited by Milburn I feel would be condemned as it takes away the option of consent. While Robert/George's advances might be frowned upon given the way they carry themselves somewhat. Maybe having some more of the aggressive behaviour explored with other male characters would help establish things about how society in this story function. Also having Terry display some more of these traits could help give better understanding of his character and that of his relationship with Tiffany. As for the women's behaviour maybe seeing them respond to the various situations within the realm of their consent would allow for greater exploration of both their character and what is considered normal by that world. Maybe even implementing a influence system to change how certain characters look at certain situations would be interesting. Like say a player decides to have Tiffany side with Milburn maybe through dialogue and certain choices she could convince Hitomi and Vanessa siding with Milburn is the right course of action.

Jimjim3dx

Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I’ll be exploring Terry and the girls more during their scenes of course. As for the girls thought’s on Milburn, it will be the sort of situation, where overtime they will come to enjoy their new positions.

Jimjim3dx

Yes, I would say a women getting groped in this world would not be an unusual event, and more often than not it would get the girl wet and excited rather easily. But it depends on the individuals involved ofc.

Anonymous

I think the world you created would have a generally more open view of sexual encounters ( I mean the main character, a cop, goes on her patrols in a bikini without anyone really bringing attention to the matter, so you know people aren't unaccustomed to seeing such sights). I would loosely say that Jebidiah has a personality more commonly found in the world. Primarily friendly, but not afraid to ask for some more explicit favors when the opportunity arises. On the other hand, this takes place in a zombie apocalypse where fear and desperation run rampant; so it wouldn't be unrealistic for a part of the population to succumb to their more basic instincts for survival.

Jimjim3dx

Yes, obviously things are accelerated as a result of the apocalypse. I mean, think of all of the lewd things Tiffany has probably done in the span of around 24 hours. The normal world would not be like that level of crazy at all. But it could probably still be the case where Tiffany would probably get catcalled and even lightly groped as part of her daily patrols and it wouldn’t be out of the ordinary or even intrusive in a society like this.

Anonymous

Personally, the negative, violent or overtly aggressive interactions are a turn-off. I think if there are people who enjoy that, the Zombie population is there to fulfill that, but for me its just a grind to get through/avoid. I would prefer the men to be in the Jebidiah to Terry range. I think it would be cool if the sexual acceptance/casualness factor is way higher, and that the men and women are aware, and more heightenly aroused by their outsized proportions (its why we're here, after all). This causes them to willingly engage in naked shenanigans way faster and easier than IRL. I mean, if I had a huge swinging dick and the huge breasted women around me wanted nothing more than to show off their massive tits to me to make me hard and fuck them, yahoo!

Jimjim3dx

Okay, glad to get the opinion of someone in the opposite camp. So what types of scenes do you prefer, so far? The more consensual human-side ones like with Robert or Jebadiah? Is the primary fetish you're interested in simply the huge proportions? Interested to know.