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Apology- Future polls (Patreon)

Published:
2019-04-29 11:21:59
Imported:
2020-09

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I felt like I needed a few minutes to make a post about my pinup pose pickings, and in hindsight how I view this as an error on my part.

Originally my thought of choosing pose B in question from this post ( https://www.patreon.com/posts/ink-eyes-vs-b-26233751 ) was a bit misguided. I made the poses well after already realizing that A was so very close to what I've already drawn. I felt had I known it beforehand, I might not have let it be in the options at all. But that shouldn't really excuse it from being a choice. I just didn't want people to think I'd run out of pose ideas and grown stale (though I feel like that sometimes anyway). In my worry, I'm afraid I've put off some of you, my supporters, from voting and essentially said 'it doesn't matter' by choosing the B pose, and for that, I need to apologize.

It does, in a way, make me feel disappointed in myself, because I held a vote and really should have committed to it. If I just wanted to gauge feedback, I should have simply said so. I've done it before--posted a few poses, said it wasn't a vote, just wanted vocal feedback and reasoning why. But in this case I chose an actual vote, and should've just stuck with it.

Going forward, If I have a vote, I'll treat it as such, and go with the winner as it should be. I want high participation in my Patreon--I like active votes, topics, feedback, and picking the losing picture, no matter my reasons, feels like I'm discouraging that, or not putting value in your support. If I'm tossed-up between two poses and just want vocal feedback then I'll do so, and avoid the 'poll' option--and if I do a vote, will treat it as such, even though Patreon doesn't hide the current standings before voting, like I wish it would.

So for those who voted 'A' and are left disappointed, I am sorry. If a refund for the month helps fix things I'd be happy to do so. Your Satisfaction with my artwork I make from your support is literally what keeps me alive and fed. I shouldn't have taken it so lightly. I hope I can be more reliable and consistent from now on, and keep the quality of work high.

Thank you all for your support-each one, at every tier.

The next request stream will be later today, 6p EST

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Anonymous

I forgive you fluff. Dont feel sad, you need to stay happy about your art too! That is more important for me.

Razavn

As the artist, my personal opinion, is that any artistic choices or selections are ultimately up to you. While polls may tell you what people prefer or want to see if you choose to go a different direction I feel people should be a bit more open to that.

Anonymous

To be honest, I kinda wish there were less polls, all they seem to do is divide the community. It also seems like the "safe" uninteresting options mostly win too. I would much rather prefer you simply don't do polls as often, and instead do what you feel is most interesting. If you do polls though, perhaps don't use Patreon's polling system? There's tons of great polling websites out there that hide votes, use better polling algorithms, etc.

Anonymous

Well it's alright Fluffkevlar. I have no problem with it.. also I can't even handle every month patreon sadly.. because of last strike at work ruined everything.. so I will need some plan and didn't even received paycheck.. heheh. Probably I have back up already.

Dracnoral

I picked A but only because I enjoy that view of a lady, either way it's still gonna be a really good piece...tho if it still bothers you, you could just add the sketch for A in with the rewards if you weren't already going to do that.

Goldasto

No worries, you'r the artist, not me :) I support you for your art and not to dictate what you draw 😊

fluffkevlar
>>22207783

Hrm. You do raise a good point. I'll keep that in mind too. Sometimes what i already have in mind might be best?

Anonymous

Don't be so harsh on yourself, this is ultimately your art, not ours. I don't think the artist should ever be truly beholden to the masses, so you do you.

fluffkevlar
>>22207789

Well i thank you for the support, but take care of yourself first! I wish you good luck

Anonymous

Well, there's really only so many ways you can pose a humanoid that's sexy. You're not running out of ideas, your brushing up against the limitations of humanoid anatomy. A piece of art doesn't really need to be original, it can't as there's nothing new under the sun, but it should feel fresh, and to that end creating unique contexts for your pieces goes a long way. To that end comics are a lot more sustainable in the long term. But people have been drawing pin ups for literally thousands of years and haven't grown tired of it yet, so I doubt your audience will be displeased.

Ahawk95

I understand where you're coming from. But don’t worry, you still have my avid support, at the very least. Sorry this poll didn’t work out so well, but there is always next, and next time will always be better.

LukiLurio

It's fine, I have voted for A the both time but I understand your reason, always doing the same thing is boring. B is fine too, and it's will be awesome as always. Maybe makes votes more for feedbacks could solve that. Hope too see the art done and the next month poll. I'm curious too see what you can do with Spyro 😁

SreyalS

You are the artist you have the final say don't be so hard on yourself both are solid choices I was torn from the two from the start

Drynwyn

I think you rely on the polls a bit too heavily. You are the content Creator and if you feel that one piece has been done ad naseum then then you have every right to do what you feel is a fresh idea. I honestly don't get why anyone would throw a fit that their preferred pose for digtal porn was not chosen. Feedback is just that feedback and you have every right to ignore it. The explination helps though.

Anonymous

If you're worried about being stale (which you're not), maybe try moving out of your comfort zone next month

OmniOtter

I voted B both times, cause I too thought pose A looked too similar as of late. Although I do understand people feeling shafted from the vote.

Eric Dielli

Nah dude, I wanted A but your the artist. Like I’m here for your stuff and to support you. It’s not like this is a personal commission. Just keep doing what you’re doing .

Zenith

I voted A but I treat the polls as a sort of suggestion, with the last word being up to the artist anyway. A 6% difference isn't a crushing victory either. The proposed solution feels very adequate, there's no need to poll each pinup. S'all good, Fluff.

Anonymous

I think you are being a little hard on yourself here. I'm so glad to hear that we mean so much to you, but I think you miss that we also care about you! I've always treated the polls as an aid to help you narrow down ideas, never as a way to set them in stone. I'm here to support you and your art. It's what I pay for! In truth, I think I'd be upset if you stopped doing what you wanted out of fear. I want your art, even if it means picking something I didn't vote for. In the end, I know I'm getting a beautiful piece that you are passionate about. That's what matters to me.

Kittora

I appreciate the sentiment, I love your art and love watching you create. You do you boo. If you feel your runningng out of sexy poses how about some action or some everyday poses. I think if you draw someone standing there balancing a stack of books it would still be as great as some sort of sexy poses. We love you and your art. You keep trucking.

Anonymous

Don't be too hard on yourself! It's pretty normal to stick with what works but there is always room for change but it takes time. Rome wasn't built in a day.

Anonymous

As much as I wanted A, it was your call! It might look the same as your other art but I'm picking more on personal taste really. I'd rather look at a woman's front side than backside. But that saying, I'm not opposed to the backside.

Anonymous

*pulls out the popcorn* aww, here he comes, this guy's the best. Wooooo, Fluffeh!

Anonymous
>>22209974

In all seriousness, this mindfulness is one of the reasons we (or at least I) dig you so much as an artist. Sometimes seems like you're mindful to the point of pain and exhaustion, even. Don't worry about me. This is just more evidence for keeping you in my pledge roster for the long-term.

Antoine Davis

Hey, its alright fluff, i understand what you're saying about what happened. And that I'm glad that you acknowledged this, but still this is your art, we all make mistakes sometimes but this is your art, and like you said some people may like or dislike the choices, but what matters is that you enjoy it and don't feel forced or anything, but basically, its alright.

YoungRiles

Fluff, I don't think you need to apologize for this. Ultimately it is your choice, imo. I feel like polls don't need to be entirely final especially since the last vote was really close to 50/50. I wouldn't want you to make something that you ended up not liking just because the popular vote said to. I really enjoy having choices with the polls, but I never had thought they were final other than the main Pinup Vote at the beginning of the month. If the poll was more like 70/30 I could see where choosing the other option might ruffle a few feathers, but I honestly don't think you need to apologize at all. I will support you no matter what your decisions.

Anonymous

I think you should stick with the vote, good or bad, because that's what most people want。

Anonymous
>>22211089

If choice A wins the vote, it should be choice A, because 300 people would prefer to see choice A, even though you think choice A is bad.

Anonymous

As one of the B voters who thought it was head and shoulders above the others, I understood we were probably getting A, you had my support regardless. While I'm thrilled with the outcome, I would hope your other supporters agree that we're here to see *your* vision, even if you ask to hear our thoughts. I think this month's pinup is looking great, and hope you treat the polls beyond character votes as just that in the future - polls, not a hard vote.

Anonymous

I don't really find this a problem. You're an artist, you have creative license. I voted for A but ya know I always figured they are more suggestions rather than demands or orders. It's unfair to lock you into something that you don't want to do. I am happy to support one of my favorite artists and get to put in feedback for the stuff that you make.

Spartan277

The apology is appreciated. Poses getting stale or such is a concern I can understand with art and such, but lets not forget.. people have favorite positions and such in various things, and some poses are so used because people often tend to want to see the side of what it shows. While you should always strive for improving your art, I wouldn't worry about if someone likes the same pose as was done before.. and frankly.. Rev Cow Girl is a great pose.. >.>

Anonymous

It’s all good either way, my dude No need to feel bad Even if I wanted to see one pose a little more than another, any of them would be fantastic I just love your art in general I can only speak for myself, but I think a lot of other people feel the same way

Spartan277

*also... pets pats the berb*

KHVathiel

It's good man. I'm glad you apologized and recognized your mistake, but you're also the boss of this patreon. You know what makes it count so don't let it eat you up. Just do your best from here on out!

KCDodger

Yo, Fluff, don't fret about it too much. You chose the pose that was atypical compared to other content of yours and challenged you more as an artist. I get that. Now am I biased because I preferred B? Maybe. But I see what I vote for lose to a boring majority all the time. So personally, I was elated and I'm excited. But I get why folks would be mad. But at the end of the day it IS your art and you DO get the final say. Just don't beat yourself up over it, though. You're an awesome artist.

NexusX

I love your art man. i am a bit salty about the vote thing, since making a choice pointless when u pull the dictator move. Ive never seen any of your art be stale or a rehash. Im not happy, but i hope u try not to do nay more fast-ons in the future. Your art is still great never the less.

Volpethrope

Don't worry too much about it, man. I had always just assumed that the secondary votes were more for gauging interest than actually *deciding* anything. With all this in mind now, I would definitely suggest not putting it up as a literal vote unless you genuinely can't decide. Just asking for written feedback without a vote should be fine otherwise. When you're deciding something as important to the pinup's composition as the pose and content, you as the artist should have the most control and final say, not a pure popularity poll. We get to vote on what character comes up each month, but the finished work is *yours*. Keep doing a great job, Fluff. c:

Anonymous

I wasn't even aware of this, but since we're on topic I might as well put my opinion on votes out there. I generally don't vote on majority outcome votes in most cases because I don't find them engaging at all, but it depends on the circumstance. It works for situations with only a few outcomes, two to three, but the more options there are, the less your voice matters if you are not already voting for the dominant choice. But if each vote is assigned to a number in the total pool you can then draw one of the numbers at random. For example: you have 100 people voting for 5 characters, and the votes are 50/25/15/9/1 accordingly. Statistically it means that the majority has a 1/2 chance of winning if you draw a number from 1-100 randomly , but it doesn't make the single vote impossible to win either, just very unlikely. It makes voting a lot more important and relevant to everyone, even if the majority doesn't always win.

Adleisio Cefnfor

I really didn't find this to be an issue as using a polling system is a very simple and efficient way to get a good look at what people want without having to scroll through a bunch of comments and determine which one was the most suggested, especially with the amount of patrons you have. You explicitly stating in the poll that you were using it to gauge interest and that it was not an actual vote that you were going to stick, just a way to see what people's thoughts were. It is not your fault is people did not read the short blurb you had in regards to it before casting a vote.

Anonymous

B lost twice, but won. I don't think it's fair at all.

Xionos Aeon

Seems like you have plenty more open minded chill patrons than you do stuck up sticks in the mud at least Fluff.

DarkWolfElite

Hey I may be late to respond but whatever decisions you make, You have my support! I am happy that I can support an artist like you. ✌😁

Diverclores

The pressure that comes to please us might be taking a toll from you Fluff. I can only imagine how stressing this must be and is affecting your creativity. I believe most patrons are here because we love seeing your work and if we are able in a way to support your passion for art, then I think Patreon makes that possible for sure. The least we wish is for you to feel pressured to please us all the time. After all the whole goal of this was to give you more artistic liberty!

Thunder Rahja

I voted A, but frankly I'm happy with whatever you decide to do. I don't support you so that I could have a say in what you do--I support you because I appreciate your work and want to see it continue. Polls are just a quick and easy way to quantify opinions that would have otherwise been expressed in comments, which take considerably more time to read. Perhaps all you need is some disclaimer that polls are just for gathering opinions but that you retain the final decision. 56% to 44% isn't exactly a landslide victory.

Kraton Haddock

To be fair, I never expect my own votes to mean much as there's too many people for 1 vote to count for much (unless it's a literal 50/50 tie with 1 vote putting it over the edge, but when does that ever happen?). I like both poses, just I thought you wanted to know what we each liked best. I do like A best but I never really considered the voting thing as a way for us to CONTROL what you do, but rather to give INPUT on what we'd like to see if you're personally not caring which one you do on your own (after all, why would you need our input if you're not LITERALLY indecisive about what to do? If you have a reason to pick one thing or another, you do what you gotta do! You don't need our permission to pick an option you liked better). While I do get that you'd like to leave polls/votes for when you want your supporters to decide, ultimately your end decision (and your happiness as a creator) is what matters more. If you decide to use a poll simply to make gathering information from us easier (not to get a decision but to simply add up the As and Bs easier since a poll will do that for you) that's perfectly fine! Maybe just put in the description something that helps people understand the difference between a general vote and a poll. After all, HOW you use the information is what differentiates a Vote from a Poll, but what a Vote or Poll DOES is literally the same thing: tally up numbers so you can see the totals. If you use those numbers as-is to determine a decision point, that's a Vote. If you use those numbers just to help you consider all the options if you're being indecisive, that's a Poll, and you don't need to take the highest number and say "Ok I HAVE to draw that one" because ultimately those ones were up to you, you just wanted to see what we thought.

Kraton Haddock
>>22218866

Ultimately it wasn't a win or lose situation. Even if he didn't word it very well such that some people were confused, it was not really a Vote to decide what to draw and more of a Poll to help him gauge interest. Ultimately if EITHER A or B had plenty of interest (doesn't matter who had more interest) then he'd be making a lot of people happy no matter what he draws. If it was entirely one sided like 100% and 0% then he'd have likely drawn what he didn't want to draw just because he was the outlier. But that's not what happened. And since plenty of people wanted either option or didn't care which, he drew what made him happy. And that is perfectly fair.

Apostrophe(')

Your candor is much appreciated, and makes us feel appreciated as fans. While I was one of the ones who voted B, I understand the frustration. I've never been that big on the idea of art via poll, personally I think the best art comes when the artist is allowed to follow their muse.

fluffkevlar
>>22220230

Yeah that's kind of how I thought of it, but I realize it did end up upsetting some supporters. I thank you for the comments !

fluffkevlar
>>22220196

Yeah I tried wording that but didn't seem fair at the same time. Thank you though!

Saphra20

Meh I voted for C anyway so makes no difference to me. ;P but yeah no I don't see it as much of a big deal at the end of the day you are the artist and you are using your time to draw these pictures true the people here we are giving you money per month to see you what you draw but it's not like we're giving you a direct input or just supporting you because we like what you do. That's how I think anyways you keep doing you and keep drawing some good stuff always happy to see what you do next.

Shinault Sketches

Kev ma dude... what man of culture gets tired of Reverse Cowgirl... and 2ndly your arts too damn good to get stale anytime soon.... I mean theres only so many poses out there afterall without needing to get a bit kinky... hehe... hell, you dont even need to make a HD pin up of A, we'd be happy with just a basic colored version

Shinault Sketches

I know this is off topic, but the image you posted above is fucking adorable, we need a HD version of it, maybe add ARA in the background just doing something silly only ARA would likely do...