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I was contacted by a follower and made aware of some future guidelines changes on FANBOX...


before reading all this go check it yourself and let me know if i readed everything correctly: https://www.pixiv.net/info.php?id=8788


The ones that would affect me if what i understood is correct is 1, incest content, and 2, lolicon. both wouldn't be allowed here if the guidelines go through on december.


Now, i know what you are thinking, SUBSCRIBESTAR. Currently i'm trying to contact them, with no answer for about 2 weeks. If i don't receive an answer in the following days i'll try to use it anyways for a month. After that month, if the payouts are not possible from my side, subscribestar get's discarded 100% until, at least, i move to another country (japan basically, i wouldn't move to any other, and that is a plan that would take (has already taken) years).


So what now... Fantia. I don't know how accesible fantia is for people to join, i know i can receive payments so all good BUT i'll wait to see if fellow loli creators are still posting content there after FANBOX guidelines are updated, before using fantia for loli content.


In the worst case scenario, i won't do more loli content for these membership sites and instead go for only commissions, but, as you saw the last 2 times i opened them, is really limited.


If i can't find a place to make lolicon content, then i just won't do it, which leads to a possibility to re open my patreon, with no conflicting content there shouldn't be a problem.


I have send emails to both, FANBOX and Patreon to ask about their guidelines to see if i can work something out. Substar on the other hand hasn't responed once so yeah...


What is staying as always is my gumroad, but i understand that it would be pricy to buy each separated item so given the case, i would sell them cheaper... and bundles and stuff. (like always actually)


This is just theory, if turns out FANBOX comes back to me and says lolicon is still allowed then i'll just delete this post, that way you'll know it's all good.


So yeah, i can't afford to work on lolicon stuff if turns out i can't post it anywhere, so unfortunately, no more lolicon content for the rest of the year, minimum. The test on substar will be made on december 1 until the end of the year.

Comments

Double Dipper

Fantia is fine for me. It's not hard to create an account.

hibeef01

But how are you paying? I'd heard you have to go through a lot of hoops(international credit card) to actually pay for subscriptions.

hibeef01

From my understanding Fantia is inconsistent with foreign payment options. I'd been told that unless you're from an Asian territory they can reject payments unless it's an international credit card.

GodoyG

i never had a problem honestly, i just stoped using it because of a glitch, but besides that, there is no problem with payments

hibeef01

Might just be certain card services. My card isn't accepted and a number of other people I know can't use the pay out either.

CarameLatte

So far some people have commented because its the Japanese language, they haven't outright stated fictional content, so it can be taken super vague. So on one hand, they are talking literally as in real life content, as drawn/fiction isn't mentioned and just reaffirming no real content is allowed/AI art that's doing deepfakes or w/e. Or the other, its a blanket ban on all that content. But then considering the userbase, that's going to effect the majority of artists on this website, ESPECIALLY many if not most the JP artists. I'm hoping they are targeting the rumored 'real' pictures mixed in with AI content that have been sold through fanbox and the like.

GodoyG

I thought the same, so i sent the email to ask for that very important clarification.

Anonymous

Try Librepay maybe. You can still do commissions on pixiv, though you have to private loli ones. Also 'non-consentual' counts too, so pretty much you're locked to do vanilla forever.

Seabridge Drive

Why not create a server to post exclusive loli content elsewhere?

GodoyG

non-consensual means rape basically, i don't do rape, cuckold (NTR) is consensual between the 2 parties having intercourse, now, the morals behind cuckold is a whole another story that doesn't have to do with the non-consensual part

GodoyG

because manage it would be incredibly difficult if not impossible for me, plus, the easiest option is discord which, i have been adviced, doesn't allow lolicon

Anonymous

One thing leads to another, art styles are being censored, livelihoods are being affected by what can or can't be drawn and creativity is being policed by bureaucracy. It is very unfortunate.

ShakeyBoness

Damn does this mean no rebecca animation

Lazengann

I have seen some artists crop a SFW of loli content and have the link to the content through MEGA with an encryption key. You could always try that maybe?

GodoyG

i actually havent seen edgerunners yet, but isn't rebecca an adult? and she's just a shortsacks right?

Index_22

Ever considered Dropbox I've seen other creators use it

Purepyre

if it helps I’m personally in a few artists servers that do lolicon, like nekonote, kevabi and haku/nanashi, if it’s registered as private I’m told it’s alright

GodoyG

in any case i would need a platform to link it with so people have to join a tier and that enters in conflict with the guidelines fanbox told me a while back

Nwii-KYA-mm

A loli, an adult and a shortstack so yes! (Creators of edgerunners said it themselves that rebecca is a loli on a livestream haha, studio trigger refused to get rid of the loli).

Anonymous

The implication can mean anything non-consensual. That means any expression that identifies misery, bondage, harm, or otherwise ultimately not appearing to be happy. Remember, broad terminology is used deliberately to exert influence whenever they need to. You'll note that back in the day even if a character was said to be 18 or 2000, simply because they looked underage was enough for crackdowns to happen.

Nwii-KYA-mm

Hmm…there is a place I know that accepts lolis and that is Ci-en by Dlsite. Just like fanbox, you can post content on there for a price and knowing dlsite as the juggernaut of selling doujin content, you might be able to use that place as a last resort.

masatoshiii

Why not post links to a Google Drive instead? Or something like that. Baraag? Not sure if they accept paid subscriptions.

Frombus

I’m not a subscriber but I do enjoy your work, including the incest content. Shame you have to deal with this not too long after Patreon. Hope you can find a good platform that isn’t so strict with censorship.

GodoyG

i have heard about it but... does allow paypal? or bank accounts of foreign coutries?

masatoshiii

Just having PayPal works wonders. I am subscribed to some artists. The issue is the translation to English, but most browsers let you translate the site.

GodoyG

okay but essentially is an adult, i get you can call a shortsack a loli but still be an adult

Nwii-KYA-mm

Yup yup, by the way I recommend checking out Edgerunners as well. You’ll love Rebecca, she’s too damn awesome and a bit wild haha.

squonk

That's some dogshit. I'm sorry to hear this, and I know other artists here who will be affected. I'll follow you wherever you end up, in any case.

Nwii-KYA-mm

Well I don’t know as I haven’t used ci-en before (but do have an account as I use dlsite) so I can’t confirm anything about that. Since I used a credit/debit card to buy things on dlsite from the usa, I assume it’ll work the same on ci-en. You can ask some people around for info if you want!😊

freshsquid

Damnit. Mastercard was why Patreon was initially censored, and now it seems they're going after Fanbox. These damn payment processors have too much control over media.

GodoyG

will see what i find, but if ci-en is pretty much the same as fantia then i preffer to see what fantia does

GodoyG

it's the gore stuff, i have weak stomach for that stuff and a firend recommended me to not watch it (after i asked her) the same goes for chainsawman

GodoyG

bondage and harm can still be consensual, shibari is similar to bondage and it's pretty much art at this point, every possible fetish can be non-consensual as well as consensual given the context. and i don't think tey'll go as far as ban under 18 characters, the site definetly would die in just a couple of weeks otherwise

Specificinter3s

Incest isn’t allowed? That’s just discrimination. What two consenting adults to between close doors in between them and no one else.

Anonymous

Can be, doesn't mean they have to take it that way. Broad terminology. They decide if it's consensual or not. And yeah.

Nwii-KYA-mm

Ah I see, the gore is over the top and I understand if you can’t handle it. I guess you can watch clips of rebecca if you want on youtube if you feel like it.

Crossman

It seems like this issue has been due the fact that some people were using AI art to filter CP stuff and then sell it on fanbox. Id advice to take it slow and see how it develops in the incoming days as it doesnt seem to affect ilustrations in the policy description. Please be patiente.

hibeef01

Found out it's a matter of certain cards and banks not having 3DSecure security for purchase authorization. I don't remember seeing PayPal as an option but maybe I overlooked it.

Anonymous

I can confirm cien doesn't have PayPal but takes foreign cards as payment options. Not sure about bank accounts

Anonymous

If you open your patreon i support you you can count on me i love your work 👍

Double Dipper

I pay with my debit card. They charge with 円, so there is a conversion fee from my bank. Relatively small amount, though. A couple cents.

ed

Does this mean no full MeguXYunyun animation!?

GodoyG

they are not lolis, Megumin is just flat so it shouldn't be a problem. As far as i know, they are just from the same clan but not the same family so it should be fine there too. However these past weeks i have barely have worked on anything besides the hentai adaptations, tha'ts why i havent posted any updates on it