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Leaks again... (Patreon)

Published:
2015-09-04 19:55:01
Edited:
2015-09-04 19:57:58
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2020-12

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I knew I was asking too much, but the pictures have been leaked again to several sites. Full resolution pics too. As I said, giving patrons early access was the minimum I could do to thank them for their support. Really don't understand, the pictures were going to be free after a month,  and still there's people who feel the need to upload the pics everywhere RIGHT NOW. Can't people wait??


I guess things like this is why other artists here use so many paywalls. It makes it pointless to be a patron if everybody is going to see the pictures at the same time whether they're pledging or not.


There's no incentive.


Maybe I'm overeacting , I am not the best artist out there and I know there are people who don't see it as a big problem or think I should just accept how things are, but this is my work and I'm seriously thinking of making the transition to drawing mostly OC and pinups work (NSFW but "safer" images) as soon as possible and just make the  ocassional pokegirl work in Paheal, hentai foundry like before... I need some time to think about this.


Your thoughts and ideas are welcome.





Comments

Rookie One

Me not happy about that either.... One thing you could do maybe to catch the one doing that : maybe just give a slightly different pics (not the pic itself perhaps, but the metadata in the file?) and use it to identify the idiot who does this. And the one who does this ? he lose access.

Anonymous

Its the same guy on rule 34 all the time. You could somehow contact him or something and tell him to stop.

Anonymous

I agree upon moments of getting the files, I see them practically all over the place. Its up to you whether you still want to continue with the way things are or change it. (Personally I have my fingers crossed that you don't switch but ultimately up to you.)

Tim The Enchanter

Honestly, there's no way of getting around it, once you've posted them people are going to share them no matter what you do. The best you can do is to encourage people to support you out of their desire to see you succeed. Everyone who is pledging here each month is doing so in spite of the fact that they are still be posted elsewhere and more will do so in the future. You have to focus on the good in humanity or you will only ever see the dark. Assholes will always be assholes, don't let them get to you.

Carlos
>>771941

If can elaborate on that, maybe (and I say maybe because what I'm about to propose is painfully tedious) take the picture and alter it slightly in a way only could recognize, and send a uniquely slighlty altered image to each Patreon. Like mark it with a number or add an extra highlight on the body or something. So every time you see the mark on the leaked picture you can identify who you sent it to and leaked it. Then proceed to ban said person.

Anonymous

Tim The Enchanter is right. There is literally no way to avoid having your work spread around without your permission. There's not a single rat trap you can build that can't be bypassed in some way.

Anonymous
>>771978

*All you can do is hope that people who enjoy your work will come to your Patreon and support you, and from the looks of it, a lot of people are doing that. Pirating will happen, you can't stop it--but at the same time, people who appreciate what you do will still come and support you.

Hammerhead027

You're completely in your right to be upset. I figure it's probably someone on Paheal. I guess the main problem is they love to post things with identifiable characters (from media) - so posting content with OCs would be the best way to prevent content from being leaked. I'm not sure of a good way to prevent leaks for pokegirl pictures....Although If you decide go the more OC route though I'd still follow you :)

Tim The Enchanter
>>771996

Sites like Gelbooru and e-hentai have plenty of OC characters, rule34 may lose interest but there are plenty of other sites that won't

SneakingUpOnMe

I think you're justified in being upset. But I wouldn't worry too much about it, you could release on tumblr and then to patreon and I'd still support you anyway because I like your work and Id like to see more of it. The 'when' doesn't really matter...Many artists I support have a similar model of releasing a few days after patreon, the incentive to support them is not in early access but in merely encouraging the artists to be able to produce more.

SneakingUpOnMe
>>772023

Just make sure you watermark it so people know who to google for. That's how I found you. Also I really like the Pokegirls.

Anonymous

the best you can do is watermark all your draws with your patreon link, if it wasn't for the first leak I would never know you had a patreon. And yes you have all the right to be upset, is unfortunate that some idiot is ruining everything but don't stop with the Pokegirl drawings, that's the main reason I started to support and probably a lot of people think the same

Tim The Enchanter

If you're looking for other incentives for people to become patrons, how about things like discounted commisions, merchandise, live streaming as you work (I don't know if you can have password protected streams or you could only post alerts about when you are streaming on here), that sort of thing. Most people who would be willing to pay to see your art in the first place though would also be willing to pledge on here, even if only for a while. 99% of the people who will see the leaked pics wouldn't have paid to see them anyway and those who would are likely already following you or looking to do so in the future.

Tim The Enchanter
>>772038

Absolutely, I joined purely because of the Cynthia/Dawn/Georgia pic and although I would continue to give my support if you went to primarily OC because your art is awesome, you shouldn't stop drawing something because of someone else (unless that someone else has a cease and desist letter and a team of lawyers!). Create what you want to create and as your portfolio grows so too will your number of followers.

Anonymous

You have all the right in the world to be upset. Why don't you ask another patreon to see what they do to prevent this kind of situation? Also, a lot of people in here pay to support you, not necessarily to get your works. As I said before, I came because of your work with NSFW explicit pokegirl works, that's how I met you in the first place, then it's obvious that I still want them being published, but supporting YOU was the reason I came here. Sorry if I couldn't guide on what to do, I also said this before, but I became a patreon only to support you, so I don't how other artists do to prevent this kind of situation.

Anonymous

You have every right to be upset, you put time into your work to make it as good as possible not only for yourself but the people that support you as well. And I think I speak for everyone here that we are here to support you not only for the work but to support an artist we like and want to be able to help in some way. As for stuff getting leaked not really any sure fire way to stop it but as others said you could watermark it. Still, thank you for all that you have done and will be done for us.

Embrace
>>772045

If you use Picarto to stream you can have private streams and link it here.

Zan
>>772173

Well said, and I agree with the idea that a lot people are here to support a artist they love, at least that's why I joined.

Anonymous

Watermarking or having a signature on your work would be good so it can at least get people to know that you make these. I like being a patron for the opportunity to vote on future pics (and to maybe one day get a gal from JoJo picked lol) and plus I really enjoy your art style.

Frank Mendez

I'm really sorry to hear that, T. I really enjoy your work and hope you continue. My pledge is processing as we speak and you deserve every penny of it. Here and there some will leak your works, but that doesn't mean stop producing your God tier work. Thumbs up, dude. Hope to see some Korrina next.

Anonymous

OK, I want to start by saying that I think your art is fantastic, and everyone who has signed up to be a patron is a massive fan of what you do. Secondly, of course you will be upset. You produce work for clients, but others get it for free. You lose control and patrons feel disenfranchised. However, I would urge you strongly to a) not get demotivated by this and b) not change your approach. A patron, originally, was not someone who paid for a premium service and got to enjoy it exclusively. Instead, they would fund and support something they loved, for instance an artist, so that the artist could produce more art. A patron of a musician wouldn't enforce the musician to play only for them. I don't support you as a patron because I want exclusivity - I support you because I love what you do, the skill you have, your subject matter. I can only speak for myself on this, though I suspect others would agree, but honestly I don't care that other people get your work at the cost of us. We support you to enable you to carry on doing what we appreciate. My biggest concern then, is that you have enough money to support what you do. People are funding you, you have achieved a Patreon goal and, at least I hope, the money is providing for you. Everything worth anything has been ripped off and stolen. Films, works of art, music, literature. The point is, if everyone stopped producing their art, whatever the form, then eventually nothing would be produced. This has been very long winded, and I apologise, but this is an effort to persuade you to carry on. As a Patron, I care that you carry on doing your work, that you enjoy your work, your work supports you, and that you get credit (other people have suggested watermarking - a great idea). If all these things hold true, then please carry on. You have an extraordinary talent and a community that appreciate and are willing to support it. There is much more I could say, but I really hope you carry on producing lots of great pieces for us to enjoy. Thank you.

Anonymous

I can't really defend the leaks, But when it comes to the internet, there are trade-offs you have to make. You can never stop people from pirating music and that is the same for art, but the trade-off for that is that you are making 1,000+ dollars a month and it will only get bigger as your name gets more recognition. And personally I think the more your art is out there, the more people are willing to donate not for special benefits but just as a means of support. I still think the incentive is live and real and honestly I think 90% of the people who support you are doing it out of support and not because of early access to images. And I legitimately think you could reach 5,000 or maybe even 10,000 dollars by the end of 2015. So I think there is still an incentive

Anonymous

the first step could be to block all the people who didn't meet their pledge then send the the images out until all the active pledges are met. then again that's a bit too radical and probably holding back to those who are supporting you.

Orion8166

It's pretty discouraging, and some patrons certainly are more interested in their own benefit than in supporting you, but still, I hope you continue. Far as I am concerned, I am supporting you because I really like your style and if supporting you will make you draw more, it's all I need. Don't really care about early access too much. My benefit is having you nurturing that astounding craft and keep expanding your horizons. All I can say is, do what you must. Whether it's increasing pledge goals, or focus on your OC designs and other pics. So long as you're still doing art, you have my support. The others have given better suggestions. Asking other creators may give you good ideas on what to do. In any case, I'll stick around so long as you keep drawing, no matter what it is. I know you can push through! ^^

unicornCrimes

Sucks that someone is doing that but hopefully you won't let it affect you. I support you to encourage you to keep creating, and the fact that we can vote for stuff is also a good incentive. Early access is not very important.

Anonymous

I know this is a big issue for artists like you, but don't feel so discouraged. Personally, I'm supporting you for the sake of supporting my favorite hentai artist, not to get early access to your pics. Even if the pics leak on websites like Gelbooru, I'm not gonna think : "Well this Patreon thing is useless, why pay if I can get it right now?" I'll still continue to donate my 5$ per month because this is what it's all about : supporting you. Don't get me wrong, getting early access is an awesome privilege and I wish it could work out, unfortunately people are always going to be jerks and to expect EVERY patron to not leak any pics is ridiculous. Just as a quick survey, I'd like for other people to reply to this comment saying if they're here to : a) get early access to pics, or b) actually support Terufuu. I really don't think I'm the only one to think like this.

Anonymous

You have every right to be upset over this and I think it's absolute garbage that someone decides to do shady things like this. I always loved and admired your work, but whatever you decide, I'll still support your decision. I mean, how hard is it to follow instructions on not posting patreon-exclusive content? But unfortunately, such is the internet where anything of value will be posted regardless of the owner's permission. And people like that will exist no matter what. But regardless of your decisions, I am glad to at least give some my support to you and I feel many others feel the same way.

redguard153

It definitely a challenge to keep things off of the internet, especially things as easy to distribute as digital images. I personally support you because I love your work and want to see more of it. I think the voting is just as good an incentive if the exclusivity isn't possible. Whatever your decision is, I'm behind you all the way.

final_agent

I'm honestly not crazy about the OC thing idea. Still, you really should sign your stuff, the only reason I managed to become a patron was because I became a patron for someone else and there was a link that showed your art and I was like "Wait, that artist isn't japanese? Fuck."

Netchfletch

As a $10 supporter who's pledge just processed today, I definitely am frustrated that others are getting what I had to pay for, for free. I wish I could offer some good advice, but others have already said all I can say. I just hope you don't stop with the pokegirls. I seriously feel your support would drop A LOT if you significantly reduced the amount of your pokegirl art. Let's hope we can figure something out, and fast.

Anonymous

While not a fool proof way, you could reach out to the paheal admins in order to have your work added to the DNP (Do Not Post) list and that, if it does get posted, you'll be the one to do so. For my part, having a say over what characters you draw is a pretty good incentive by itself so I'll continue tu support you no matter what. I gotta say though, your Pokegirl art is godly so I'd love to be able to keep seeing it but, as I said, I'll still be around no matter your decision. And, who knows, maybe some day I'll get to see some of the ladies from less popular franchises in your amazing style! :)

Anonymous

While frustrating, I feel the primary incentive is supporting you as an artist. Even in the presence of stringent and sometimes extreme measures of leak prevention, leaks are bound to happen. That being said, I don't think you're feelings are unjustified one bit. However, I'd like to share that I feel that being deprived of exclusive timing isn't too big a deal for me, especially considering we still have a vote (I guess that depends on pledge level) in upcoming character requests.

Anonymous

I know theres ppl who care too much about the leaks since they're paying for exclusive early access.. For me theres not problem since im (like many others) suporting you only to see you working on more pokegirls... For me thats enought incentive.. Keep this in mind, You are not selling us your art, we are supporting you because we love your art and we want you to keep doing it :)

ExtremeMeasures

Without paheal, you would not have the following you have now. I found you through them, for starters. Furthermore, you got there BECAUSE you drew characters that are not your own, so I find this slightly hypocritical. Now while I agree it's a bit disheartening that others get the full resolution as well, I don't care about the when, and it's still way better than having you switch away from Pokegirls when they are the main reason I make my pledge to you. As others already pointed out, see this from your supporters point of view: they found your art, liked it (some for years already), and when they finally have the chance to support you, thinking they can ensure you continuing your work and making even more content, the EXACT opposite happens.

Anonymous

I'm giving money so you can produce this stuff regularly, not so I can have it first. No offense, but if the focus significantly shifts away from pokegirls I would reconsider my pledge

Anonymous

Well, the reason I decided to pledge $10 was not because I wanted to access your artwork first or early, but so you could produce even better artwork and focus on getting even better. I also want to say that a big part of why I became a patron in the first place was the amazing pokegirl artwork I had been a fan of for a long time, so it does dishearten me a little when you say you're contemplating a transition to primarily OC artworks.

Anonymous

A lot of what I have to say has been said already but here goes... I don't mind the leaks for ruining Patreon-exclusive content, I mind the leaks because they blatantly disregard your requests and the rewards for patrons. But on the other hand, I would have never known you had a patreon if not for the cynthia/dawn/georgia pic, and as awesome as the pic was (and as happy I was to not only see Georgia but YOUR Georgia) I think I would have found you anyway to become the first person on Patreon I donated to. Someone on rule34 said something like "its not hard to wait and if you really want work early then support Terufuu on Patreon its 1.00 a month for amazing content" and I immediately came to check it out. When I saw the resolution and voting rewards, I pledged 5.00 instead and even though I'm not sure I care about wip/sketches I'm considering upping to 10.00 - as others have said, the important thing to me is that I can support you. This isn't simply commissioning you to draw for us patrons, this is donating to you so that you are rewarded for your work and have the resources to make more. Most of us don't really care that stuff was leaked in terms of the hentai we receive; the problems are that you don't like it. Not to make light of that; this is a serious problem! If you stopped drawing pokegirls, or only drew a pic once a year or so, I would be a little uncomfortable but I would still support you. I was looking forward to both nintendogirls and OCs, both pinup and full hentai. I just wish I had a better solution for the few who are here for early content instead of supporting and voting for you, and to make you feel like you have more control and satisfaction with your artistic creation. Maybe watermarking, or commissioning, or other solutions in the comments?

Anonymous

As others have been saying too: The reason so many people are supporting you here on Patreon is not because they want early access to your art, but because they really love your Pokegirl R34 art and want to both repay you for making it and to help financially support the future creation. While it's definitely a terrible thing that people are leaking these pictures, those leaks don't affect our personal enjoyment of them. That's why I want to urge you not to move away from Pokegirl stuff: We're not supporting you with 1200$ a month for the purpose of getting porn slightly before other people, we're supporting you with that much money because it gives you the ability to produce a steady stream of the kind of art we're into. The incentive for pledging isn't the early access to material, it's the knowledge that it lets you produce material at a much higher rate than before. I'd still pledge my 10$ a month even if you uploaded straight to Paheal personally, and I'm sure many others would as well.

PeachyTanuki

Really sorry to hear that. I agree with most of what has been said and have nothing to add really, except that I too became a Patreon in order to support you more than anything else and don't care about the timed exclusivity. Hope you the best.

Anonymous

As crappy as it is it's pretty much impossible to stop leakers, not even big companies can. Most people are supporting you because of your art and it's quality, not for the exclusivity. I just hope even with the leaks people will still pledge. Please don't let this put you off doing anymore/changing what your Patreon is about.

Anonymous

I'll just speak for myself here, but the reason I pledged 10 bucks a month to you is because I want you to keep drawing, not because I want to have the privilege of seeing your work early (which I don't really consider all that much of a privilege tbh). Plus, it's not as if showcasing only on Patreon is foolproof. Someone can easily pledge x amount of money, save all your artwork, and cancel the pledge, before the charge period, and to add insult to injury upload it all somewhere else.

Anonymous

You shouldn't worry too much all it does is spead your name and brings them here a lot of people don't support you for early access they just want you to do what you do and draw delicious art. If big company can't stop songs from being spread around freely what do you think one person could do. But most support you so you can draw not so we can get it early.

Anonymous

I heard some people talking about making a Do Not Post (DNP) agreement with websites like Paheal and Gelbooru, which won't allow them to be posted until permission by the artist is given. I mean, it probably won't stop the leaks cold, but it'll help at least. Let people know that you're serious about giving something special to your patrons.

Anonymous

And personally, I think a blend of OCs and established characters (not even just Pokegirls, necessarily) would be the best solution. But, this is your art after all, so in the end it depends on what you'd be most comfortable with.

Anon-kun

If there's no incentive, then add one~ Something that makes people want to become yours :) I recommended everyone getting in a lottery where the prize is a request, and it works because it's not something that can just be posted elsewhere. Get it?

Sergio Barajas
>>774756

I actually like the idea of the lottery, to have the chance not just to vote for the pinup but also to decide character, position (and many other perversity) and that only his first 3 $10 supporters had (i was a $5 that time around) is very very appealing, and is something can't be taken from him 3:)

Anonymous

If it's any consolation, I found and contributed *because* of the leak. I stumbled across some of the posts in question, which happened to mention your Patreon. I've thought your Pokegirl artwork is great for a while, so I jumped at the idea of contributing to help you produce more. That in itself is it's own reward. Although yeah, added incentives such as ability to vote on some specific girls / poses /etc and the occasional lucky drawing to get effectively a pokegirl commission sound like pretty fantastic perks to me.