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This is the last AoT upload for TONIGHT! Tomorrow will be more. Later tonight expect The Last of Us Episode 5 and Mandalorian Episode 2!

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Gee.Ali

I literally just finished the previous ep! Perfect timing!!!

Tkdmegs

Damnit! So close!

Val

Nooo was expecting y'all to drop the last episodes of part 1 😭 oh wellz I have 5 to binge lol

farkzzy

what ep we getting up to tmo?

Cynicwound223

I'm loving the reactions and how much thought you guys put into each episode. Love how you guys see through everyone pov! Keep it up

Devzy 793

I nlw have wpisodes 9 - 14 to watch. I'm boutta be feasting with these uploads

Antonina Pajkic

thank you for this videos, i enjoy watching your reactions 🎉brig pls don’t listen to the "haters" hating bc of your "spoiling", if it doesn’t bother cannon and carter then we shouldn’t get so worked up about it 🥰 love y’all 🦋excited to watch it now

Abi Ali

Yesss 3 episodes to watch tn!! Waiting for work to be done so I can enjoy them

Megan Kirby

I understand Cannon’s anger. That reunion scene was difficult to watch.

Teresa
>>103793954

I love how y’all always reply to farkzzy💀💀

Speedwagon

I’m on Erens side because he’s the only one actually doing something about Marley. Everyone else wants to negotiate, but they don’t see that negotiating isn’t what Marley was planning. Nobody’s else has an idea on how to stop Marley that doesn’t include killing them

Megan Kirby

I felt the same way Carter did. Everyone is stuck in a horrible situation, and each character is trying their best to do what they think is right.

Bibi

Notice how Eren hurt Mikasa mentally because it's difficult to hurt her physically while Eren hurt Armin physically because it's difficult to break Armin mentally

RNCHPatty

waiting to binge the rest tomorrow keep em coming

Goat-ruto

Cannon would love one piece, Cannon would also hate Gaara and Sasuke

anna
>>103795780

they weren't really coming up with ideas either. they were all like "wait, we shouldn't attack yet, this is not a good idea" and then when eren said "fuck it, fine i'll do something" they just put him in a cell and started thinking about feeding him to someone, still not being able to produce a coherent strategy. yet they would not listen to the yeagerists, the only ones coming up with a clear-cut plan. and yes, their ideals might be questionable and people like armin would find it hard to go with them, but they were still the only option they had.

Keneizha Rubanarayana

Carter I'm with you in that I couldn't find it in myself to hate Floch. I found him highly annoying in s3, but I can understand why he turned out the way he did. I can also sympathize with the yeagerists' sentiments. It's hard to separate emotions from actions sometimes, especially after going through what these people experienced. That doesn't mean I am a yeagerist, but I also don't hate Floch.

Speedwagon
>>103795780

I’m pretty sure eren at one point said that he did it to make time for him and Zeke to meet since the others said they needed time. That’s why he made Armin destroy the fleet so they couldn’t sail to Paradis

Ladnon

I don't know if you fully noticed it, Brig mentioned it, but that "jaw" you saw was actually the titan that tore open its stomach to heal Zeke in the upcoming episodes (I think). My theory is that we saw it healing since it's nape wasn't cut. But at the same time that doesn't make sense because we have seen Eren's attack titan kill titans without cutting their nape.

Flare

It's hard to explain being pro Eren at this point in the show without spoiling but I'm definitely on Erens side versus the other. Also totally get how Carter feels betrayed by erens attitude here, but just gotta remember like with everything in this show: itl get explained

bondbond53

Cannon: 'I have zero sympathy for Zeke' *Me looking at episode 15*: 'You sure about that'

ssj4rit

Damn it hurt for Eren to be compared to Sasuke. Don’t do Eren dirty like that 😂

Alex Ramirez

I'm anti-Jaegerist and surprised to see Cannon be extremely anti-Jaegerist. Back when you guys were recording season 3 I was speculating Cannon to be pro and Carter to be anti. Can't wait to see your reaction to the most pro-Jaegerist "propaganda" the anime included to AoT in a future episode.

bondbond53
>>103797428

You are tripping. Sasuke is no Eren but he's among the characters with the best arcs in Naruto

GBuckets

Are you guys gonna start Death Note after S4 uploads are finished?

ssj4rit
>>103797428

It’s not that hard to be a “good” character in Naruto when the story ignores you if you don’t have special eyes or a tailed beast inside you.

Joie Dianzon 🇵🇭

I am from a developing country, and had the experience living through a dictator’s regime. For me, anyone who uses force (like the Jaegerists) in order to rule does not deserve to be followed. I am with Cannon. The views of the followers who pretend to know what’s going on does not mean anything because even for a short while, I lived through that fear. Eren is repeating the same mistakes as the Marleyans, it makes no sense to me. Just to be clear, not everyone who opposes is the enemy.. they just happened to live a different experience. 💁🏻‍♀️

ssj4rit
>>103797428

(And the Uchiha massacre retcon doesn’t do his arc any favors, not sure what Kishimoto was thinking there)

bloartle
>>103797924

they said they have some more aot content they want to post (sub v dub, s4 review, overall aot review, etc) and then they will start their next show; most likely death note!

Darth Demetrius

At this point, I think that the only characters who have the right idea are: Hange, Armin, Mr. Braus, and Falco. They understand that the path forward is with empathy, the Jeagerists and Marleyans have it completely backwards. Fighting violence with violence and hatred with hatred just perpetuates the problem and leaves it up to the next generation to solve. Probably my favorite scene in the whole show is when Mr. Braus said that it is up to the adults to shoulder the weight of the past so that the next generation can leave the forest.

Gael

I thought Cannon would be a Jaegerist and Carter anti-Jaegerist 😂 this was definitely a surprise.. but I’m with Cannon. The way the Jaegerists are going about things is so extreme.. they literally killed people who didn’t agree with them. Even after Eren’s real motivations are revealed, I’m still anti-Eren. Killing the entire world and making it smaller doesn’t eliminate conflict, as Kiyomi later says in P2.

metalgearbear

It's easy to sympathize with the Jaegersists given what they have been through and the fear of a not-fully-known enemy. I love the character development of Floch, but absolutely loathe what he's doing. It's so easy to be on the side that is using threat of force, violence, propaganda, and fear to accomplish what they want because it's easy. It gives into people's lesser base instincts and it's understandable how someone could be swayed. However, I feel like Hange, Armin, the OG have it the right way. Violence begets violence, hate perpetuates hate. It's the more difficult path, but it's the right choice here. Having Eldians die off or give them some way to peacefully exist with the rest of the world? It's a tad ironic that Eren/Zeke plan basically takes away freedom from the Eldians by taking away their option to continue procreating. It's a fascist tactic that abandons the principles the Jaegersists would stand by. But in the end only Eren at any point holds all the cards.

Santiago
>>103798514

Well said. I get the reasons on why Floch is a well written character but the enthusiastic support for him and the yeagerists in the fandom feels weird b/c of the yeagerists being extremists(who support basically everyone not on paradis getting crushed) who get rid of anyone that disagrees with them as well as being responsible for destabilizing the government on paradis.

C E.

It’s more of a 9 or 6 situation really where either is the true number depending on where you’re standing. But like Carter said, the world is gray and just because you're on one side doesn't mean you have to agree w/ everything they do or say. However, I really feel for Cannon on this one too. The method on how they did all these just doesn't sit right w/ me - even after rewatching. Still, it doesn't diminish the worry I feel for both. What a messed up world they live in. And I just looove these pre and post discussions a lot. Side note: Eren pissed Cannon off so much, he swallowed his yawns. 😆

Dony29

lowkey love that Carter is a Jaegerist

Joseph Wong

Carter my beloved

Zzz

Love how Cannon is having none of the jeagerist bs. Their actions were too extreme and that’s what made them so unlikeable to me. Would rather follow Levi and Hange’s group than side with Floch who is having way too much fun going against everyone who is not a jeagerist. That table scene was just pain. I felt for Cannon 😭 Also that was a good call there saying Eren is being a slave himself. He’s the least free person there. I’m glad Kenny’s quote keeps making a comeback especially now. It all starts to make sense. Really enjoying these discussions! I’m excited for the reactions to the alliance.

lafatte24

Remember season 1 around episode 19 or 20, when they were in the forest and Levi told Eren he has to make the decision to trust his comrades or trust himself. After all the loss Eren has gone through, I think he took that to heart and decided enough was enough. He was going to trust himself. That's why he had his own plans, that's why he distanced himself and didn't even share anything with Mikasa or Armin. Additionally, I don't think it's so much Eren is a slave to his future self or the king. It's more like a self fulfilling prophecy, you see all these memories from the future, you know they're going to happen at some point. Do you, do as you were and ignore them, or do you change your actions with the future in mind, not knowing whether those exact changes are what brings about the future you see? Previous attack titans didn't really know what was happening and they weren't controlled, I think they just get these memories of the future (remember future Eren doesn't have the power to choose what memories the past attack titans see, it's random and scrambled). All they know is, what they see is what will happen, the best they can do is take notes of details and try to apply it to current decisions. Eren saw the future memories and was horrified by them, but he probably realised over the years between season 3 and 4 that no matter what he does, those memories will become his reality. So yes, in a way, Eren is always a slave despite striving for freedom. However, I don't think it's as deliberate/direct of a link as you think it is.

lafatte24

I can't wait to hear your thoughts on episode 15 and Zeke's backstory. I actually really loved it.

YourGuy

LOVE THE UPLAODS

nomorepartiezz

im pretty sure yall are gonna leave us off on episode 18 this week 💀💀💀 the wait will be worth it though

DeeHasApples
>>103797625

I kinda thought they'd both be anti, but I could tell the others weren't. Vehemently anti-jeagerist here.

keyton bush

I like that Cannon and Carter ended up on different sides of the discussion (for now, anyway) bc it makes the conversation more interesting

Julia Perez

It is a little weird, but the Levi-Zeke scene wasn't a plothole, bc Levi's suggestion was that someone eat Zeke so they could take the Beast's power, which would stop the conflict without killing Eren, since the Jaegerists need a titan with royal blood in order for the Founder to be useful. At this point, they can't really afford to lose any titan powers (or all the memories about titan powers that are in the beast titan), so he can't just kill Zeke normally. Since all his men died, and he can't eat Zeke, now he's transporting him somewhere to be eaten.

nomorepartiezz

my opinion is that i dont really blame yeagerists. for 90% of normal people and average soldiers on the island it makes sense to side with Eren to protect your home. my issue is that I cannot stand Floch and his insane fascist tendencies. its disturbing. it shows you how quickly nationalism and a sense of self preservation can turn into something way darker and more psychotic.

DeeHasApples
>>103796119

Bro, I think he has a point. One Piece entire theme is Friends and Freedom basically, and not Eren's warped version of it either. Also Cannon is always sticking up for everyone in the episodes, I think he'd really like Luffy. Though I'm sure some of the anime tropes would def be annoying, but story-wise I think he'd enjoy it all right.

nomorepartiezz
>>103808506

not trying to start an argument but if anything this is a testament to how amazingly this world is written and set up.

nomorepartiezz

also i find it so awesome how these last few episodes make you hate zeke so much and then you completely understand him after the next one. great writing

A (Daddy Daichi)

Back from work and I get to enjoy these 3 episodes!!

Shiro
>>103808193

Yes, besides killing Zeke would mean that they would lose the Beast Titan power forever - will need to hunt little babies to see which one was born with the Beast titan. Could be anyone from any country in the world. Seems wicked

nomorepartiezz
>>103804170

facts. i actually like that him and carter are on different “sides” as it makes the discussion super interesting. im sure they’ll end up arguing more during part 2 as well lol. no ones in the wrong really, but i definitely agree with cannon and have always felt that way. i think people who find themselves agreeing with the yeagerists do so because they admire the fierce protectiveness, the “eff the outside world we’re not bowing to them” mentality. While people who disagree are more chill and empathetic and view it from “i hate how eren and floch are treating everyone.” like cannon talking about how the feeling of betrayal and disloyalty is what upsets him the most about it. so basically its like people whose personalities are more similar to eren (fierce, protective, confrontational, willing to do what it takes) vs people whose personalities are more like armin (understanding, empathetic, always believe theres a better solution)

Shiro
>>103796617

If you are referring to season 1, then Eren's Attack Titan does kill the titans by stomping on their napes...as a matter of fact, Mikasa, Armin and Conny make that observation while on the rooftop, as they are surprised that a titan would go for the finishing blow!

nomorepartiezz
>>103801310

i agree. i always say this but i completely understand why the average joe or random soldier in Paradis would side with Yaegerists. The world is scary, theres enemies outside wanting to kill you, titans everywhere, it makes sense to choose the option thats safest. however i cant stand floch. the fascist method of seizing control through violence, fear, propaganda, pitting people against each other and making them fight one another, gleefully mocking the fact that half the military were turned into titans. its scary and disturbing to me. i cant support that.

nomorepartiezz
>>103800977

facts ‼️ i also dont like how later on people say Floch is the true scout carrying on Erwins will and fighting for Paradis and stuff. like… youd think that levi and hange and the other people who actually were day 1 scouts and were the ones fighting day in and day out to discover the truth would be the ones who know better…

nomorepartiezz
>>103798514

^ i know its mostly not serious because its just a show but honestly, i was taken aback and lowkey kind of worried how many real life fans fell for eren and flochs brainwashing and constantly spout Yaegerist rhetoric unironically lol. like i definitely empathize with the yaegerist sides and love how morally complex the story is but theres a certain part of the fanbase (cough r/titanfolk cough) that are so fervent and angry about it. its weird

nomorepartiezz
>>103795780

maybe im naive but i will always be on the side of “there has to be a middle ground between doing nothing and letting marley wipe you out, and causing the extinction of the human race.” so basically I agree with Armin throughout the entirety of season 4.

Ladnon
>>103796617

That is what I was referring to! It just seems strange that seek can tear a titan to nothing but a head and it doesn't die.

Speedwagon
>>103795780

I’m sure there definitely was a middle ground and I agree with u, but I don’t think anyone was really looking for that middle ground. Especially Marley. They wanted the founding Titan to get ahead of the entire world and that would include eating Eren. And if they aren’t looking for a compromise with them I don’t see why eren has to find a compromise. It’s easy for us to think of ways for stuff to be better since we are seeing everything from an outside perspective , but for them I can only assume it’s harder to find that middle ground

Gael
>>103794984

Same. Deadass was real life upset when I watched that entire scene play out.

Licorice Laces

Cannon getting pissed off for Mikasa 😭😭😭

Licorice Laces

“He doesn’t deserve to have limbs”

BrianTheWoeful

I am team Armin and Hange, not to say I don't understand everyone's perspective, but Eren really has become an extremist in his thirst for "freedom".

Santiago
>>103808758

When Levi asked him about how he felt about turning the villagers in Connie’s hometown into titans and he doesn’t show remorse, then when we finally can get his backstory we realize that he views killing eldians as a way of liberating them and their descendants from suffering 😳

Nonos
>>103796119

I agree cannon loves those characters that show loyalty and one piece literally has so many characters that embody that trust like Zoro for example or Luffy’s entire crew. One piece is goated just some anime tropes that they would have to get used to.

A (Daddy Daichi)

Loving the discussions for this episode! I can 100% understand the jaegerists viewpoints but it’s too extreme. I get where they’re coming from but the plans are a no for me. I so agree with you Cannon. I just can’t back them. Like a couple of people said, Hange, Armin, Floch & Mr. Braus know what’s up.

Val

Cannon gets it. We ride for Mikasa on this side!! Lol at the pat on the back Jack gives Cannon he was heated 🤣 great reaction as always!!

Gianluca Angeli
>>103808758

nah, Zeke had way too much fun killing eldians. I understand his reasons but he's still a sick psycho.

Gianluca Angeli

Eren once again being 100% in character so basically a dumb kid . He chose "hate" to try to keep his friends away from him instead of explaining his motivations. Of course explaining that would have spoiled the rest of the story so i understand why the autor did that lol. It still a bit too forced as a scene since eren knows the future through the attack titan so he must have known that his friends wouldn't give up after this conversation. I guess it still make sense that eren wanted them to know how they are manipulated but i don't really like this scene tbh

manderlee
>>103804170

For reallll,, I think that’s why I don’t like the Jaegerists either. I think they certainly have an understandable and valid sense of wanting to protect their home and their people, but at the same time we see Hange and the main group doing the same thing except they’re not going out with the desire to kill random people. Killing seems to be their last result most of the time whereas that’s Erens first instinct now especially with the rumbling and whatnot. I think it’s interesting too tho because everything he does is all in the name of freedom and yet is now just a genocidal maniac with seemingly no moral compass anymore

Izaya

The amount of backseating here is absolutely off the charts. Not even a second before shit happens they are already backseating for the others. impressed Carter and Cannon are managing to watch it like this

Centreon

I’ve been waiting for this episode

Sean Carroll

Hearing Carter talk about Erens freedom makes me so excited to see his reaction to "this is freedom"

Sean Carroll

Brig trying to come up with that plot hole made me laugh so hard

mariah

can't wait for the next episodess

mariah

I love the discussions yall have

Julia Perez
>>103816047

Well he doesn’t know the whole future through the Attack Titan, just the memories he sent back to Grisha, so he might not know exactly how Armin and Mikasa will react. I always took the scene as him pushing them away so they wouldn’t try and help him or be on his side later on. Bc he basically does exactly the most destructive thing he can do for each of their relationships (tells the girl who loves him that he hates her, brutally beats up his friend who he always saved from bullies), and he knows them well enough for that to be deliberate. Also we basically find out later on that all the stuff he said about why they’re slaves is total bs, so he’s at least purposely lying to them for a reason

Julia Perez

I get why some Eldians would be Jaegerist, but yeah I’m totally with Cannon here. Intention is important - Armin can be violent, but he dislikes it, which means he’ll only go that route when it’s absolutely necessary. Floch, on the other hand, practically revels in it, and unnecessarily hurts a lot of people. The contrast between his overthrow of the government and Erwin’s is pretty crazy

Santiago
>>103823159

Yupppp, Floch and yeagerists are acting exactly the same way Rod Reiss’ puppet government was acting. They both leaned to their backwards views and arrested or killed anyone that questioned their authority with almost no room for compromise.

Gianluca Angeli
>>103816047

i'm pretty sure he can send memories to himself. At least after he awekens the founding titan. Episode 1 eren received memories from the future and the only one able to do that is himself from the future. Other attack titan users couldn't do that without the power of the founding titan. But if you can prove your statement i would gladly change my mind.

Jayden m

Carter's explanation is giving me goosebumps, I had the same thoughts when watching this for the first time. Eren was speaking the truth but he was a little harsh about it. I think he was harsh so he can push his friends away from him

Stoke me a clipper

"I have no sympathy for this guy. Zero." AoT: Flashback episode it is, then.

anna
>>103795780

i think a middle ground would be nice, but in the entire context of the story it just doesn't exist – or cannot be realised, at the very least. the hate in their world has escalated to a point where a compromise is not possible. Armin's right for wanting to negotiate for peace in a diplomatic way, but after some time i think he should've given up (especially after their trip to marley in a later episode). He's logical and a good strategist, he knows that in order to achieve something he has to give up his humanity, yet he was adamant on "talking things out" and coming to an agreement with marley and other nations, something that they are clearly not interested in. I wonder why he lost this ability of his when it was needed the most.

T. Law

I need ep 15. I can't watch this one yet because I know they are hating on my Zeke 🙂💔.

Santiago
>>103810942

Eren’s version of freedom is twisted in the same f’ed up way as Zeke’s “liberation” of the eldians by his euthanasia plan. Both Zeke and eren are two sides of the same coin, world views that want to fix the major problems of the very nuanced and grey world with extreme black and white solutions.

Rena Unnie

I'm pro-Eren since season 1, lmao.

Jbarbn

Since y’all have finished the show, look back at the last episode of season 4, before the special. When Eren is talking to Zeke, Zeke mentions that Ksaver’s research never found this Ackermann “slave instinct”. Eren did these things at the table to further distance himself from his comrades since he will do terrible things for them. Sure Mikasa clearly will do anything for him, but even in the later part of season 4, you see she is not a slave to him as much. She removes her scarf, which should say enough. The part about Armin is definitely true though, as y’all know … Memories of the Future

nomorepartiezz
>>103831606

what lol 😭 imagine your closest childhood friend walks into the room and without provocation starts ranting about how much he hates you and how pathetic you are and then beats the shit out of you and then somehow its your fault for not trusting him and somehow you’re the ones who betrayed him? Eren was being a complete asshole yes later in the next few episodes armin and mikasa come to the conclusion that something more is happening and that he might be lying but how else were they supposed to take that interaction at first?

nomorepartiezz
>>103823159

i feel like floch and a lot of yaegerist fans see him as continuing Erwins will and doing what he would’ve done but that cant be further from the truth imo. Erwin and his scouts represented truth, answers, freedom. he constantly pushed for the overall good of humanity. He believed there were answers beyond the walls and that it was worth sacrificing lives (including his own) to get there. His opposition was the royal government. they represented status quo, safety. They wanted to keep things the same, they wanted to keep everyone isolated behind the walls, they wanted the truth to be hidden if it meant they were safe and protected. They tried to silence all opposition. They shunned the outside world as a threat. In this situation Floch and the Yaegerists are more like the royal government. They want to continue being isolated, they use fear and violence to suppress any opposition. They want to keep the status quo of Paradis above any and everyone else. Armin, Mikasa, Hange, Levi etc. are the true continuation of Erwin. They are fighting for humanity overall. They still believe the solution lies outside the walls. They want to believe in the outside world despite knowing how dangerous it is and how much they have to sacrifice. Of course this is not really a good comparison as theyre completely different situations. Its just whenever I see Floch screaming about Sasageyo and stuff it makes me feel sick/weird because this is clearly not what Erwin meant. Its like they took the pride and fighting spirit of the Scouts and twisted it into violent fascist nationalism.

Julia Perez
>>103835243

Also everyone talks about Mikasa when they defend the “slave” thing, but theoretically this would apply to all Ackermans, and though Kenny and Levi showed devotion to certain people, it was *always* an active choice - you don’t see the same knee jerk defense with them that you do with Mikasa. Also no indication of the headaches either - it’s initially convincing, but clearly bs

Speedwagon
>>103795780

I think it’s because of what he did in Marley and he doesn’t want to kill that many people again. He let go of his humanity then and that led to the killing of thousands of people.

Julia Perez
>>103823159

No same - there’s this argument that the Jaegerists don’t have a choice, and that’s why they’re going to these lengths (which Erwin would - in their minds - approve of), but it’s definitively not true. Hange and the military were willing to negotiate, and they completely turned it down. The partial rumbling isn’t a permanent fix, but it definitely works to get the other nations off their back in the immediate future so that they can negotiate later, but the Jaegerists were completely unwilling to compromise there too, bc it would mean continuing titan inheritance (which is a really odd hill to die on when you’re willing to assassinate your own leaders and stomp on the rest of the world). Erwin, on the other hand, was perfectly willing to compromise with people that didn’t share the exact same goals as him (Nile and Pyxis were both willing to let Erwin die for humanity if necessary, and he would let them), and while he did end up overthrowing the government, he did it peacefully, staying mostly uninvolved and letting people come to their own conclusions. There was no “dissension will be erased” attitude to that revolution. But yeah. The “shinzou wo sasageyo” from them also makes me a little sick. They’re using the same “freedom” and “defend humanity” rhetoric all while doing the exact opposite for the vast majority of people. The only ones getting “freedom” out of this movement are the people who follow their orders without question. It’s pretty disturbing

Gu

I will mention I find cannons speaking time as he's reacting to these eps so funny " look at him dude he's a slave"🤣

James
>>103831606

I don't think there is ever a justification for committing genocide though. While the people on Paradis island have suffered tremendously because of the world around them, there's a difference between responding with composure to responding with pure hatred and revenge. There's three sides to this story: there are two groups of people who believe that the other should not exist, and there's a third group of people who are putting aside their differences to stop the Rumbling. The "Good vs Evil" is a pretty common theme in stories, for me personally, I consider the people who are trying to minimize civilian causalities while working towards the goal of coexisting are righteous in this case.

studiogek
>>103796119

Great now I might need to look into a show that will take years to complete 😂😭

studiogek
>>103798815

It kind of sucks though because no matter how many people can see that, there’s still going to be people that are ignorant as well as just discriminatory:/

Gael
>>103831606

He wasn’t telling them the “harsh truth” though. The Ackerman bond isn’t real, even Zeke says this. And Armin wasn’t being influenced by Bert’s memories. If that were the case, Eren would have a crush on his mom due to his father’s memories.. see how that doesn’t make sense? Eren admitted to saying those things to push them away. While this is a complex situation, turning to war isn’t the way to do it. The Alliance understands that this isn’t as simple as “everyone outside of the walls is our enemy.” This is basically a theme in AoT.. how did you miss that. + As their best friends, they had every right to react that way. Eren went MIA and didn't say anything to them. And when he did come back, he was a complete dick. Besides, why would they trust Eren when he was siding (even if it was a facade) with extremists/pro-rumblers. That goes against their values. Regardless- until the end, they had faith that he would change and that the was being manipulated by an external force. They did trust him even when they should not had.

Izaya
>>103818919

Its like when you are watching something that you already watched before but you are with a friend that haven't watched it, so you know what is gonna happen and you keep kinda raising and planting thoughts on the persons's head. Its like when they say "oh look, Zeke is stratching.. what is he gonna do???" and something like "oh hey, wasn't that the girl that Sasha saved in season 2...?" they are not outright spoiling events before they happen but they are doing it on purpose, and it takes away from a genuine reaction. They dont let Carter and Cannon think for themselves and make the connections themselves. They knew that girl was Kaya but they just pretended not to remember and said something like "oh isnn't this that girl...?" to make Carter and Cannon make the connection already before the show actually tells them. Its like when you watch a friend play a game and say: "hmmm, maybe if you press this this and that it might trigger something cool, but i dont know..." Like, you DO know, you are just pretending not to know to generate a certain effect on the first timers. Its a light form of spoiler. Its okay to correct missunderstandings that are getting in the way of the disccusions but backseating takes away from the blind reaction. Oh and stuff like "i am so excited for this episode, and the last scene of next episode!!!!!!" is also a form of backseating, but its so common that its simply accepted at this point. They sorta perpare Cannon and Carter for an event that is about to take place insetead of letting the series flow naturally for them. You know what i mean at this point. Sorry to stratch my self

Jessyca Sweeten
>>103831606

But at the same time Eren didn't think to trust his friends and left them out of his plans entirely instead of filling them in. Trust is a two way street.

Gael
>>103800977

100%, Erwin would've NOT supported Floch and the entirety of the Jaegerists. S3P1 is clear cut proof of that

Gael

Can I just say, this comment section has restored my faith in the AoT fandom 🤣 this is the first AoT Patreon comment section I've encountered where Jaegerists don't make up 80% of the community and if there are Jaegerists, they're very civil about their thoughts and arguments.

nomorepartiezz
>>103823159

^ i agree with you 100%. like thats exactly what ive been trying to say for a year now

Farrell

You guys really need to watch the bits on the owl again! The attack titan fights for freedom and is the big influencer of even. The founding titan is just about its royal blood.

Rihab Bhar

Can i know when next ep is dropping? im only asking to expect when i will make some free time to watch it hehe

nomorepartiezz
>>103818919

i see what you mean but theres no point in really talking about it anymore since they’re caught up already. also we as commenters are responsible for it as well. like for example earlier on in the show they were wayyy better about not saying anything or giving hints but carter and cannon were still prepared for S2E6 to be a huge important episode because we and the internet in general hyped it up so much. its just gonna happen when you watch a show this way. its fine

Gnani

The thing that moved at the end of Levi vs Zeke is the nape of the titan Zeke tore. Zeke did not kill it. It regenerated. It is a titan created by Zeke and thus can be controlled by him. I believe it is the titan that tears its belly and puts Zeke in it.

L.Lindberg

I don't agree with Eren's methods, but he's right that a decisive victory is usually the "best" solution to an armed conflict, as in the case of Eldia vs. The World.

Wulfheart

Did ya'll get the BluRay copy? I'm noticing differences I thought was only on BluRay but I could be wrong.

Jem de Jager

I'm team Eren. Because, we're kinda bound via surname

Markus
>>103823159

I think people love Floch more or less because Eren's their favorite character, as we see with Carter. He doesn't know why he likes Floch, but later states that Eren is his #1 character from the show. If he aligned with someone other than the literal MC, you'd never see people commenting things like "King Floch". He'd get the same treatment from the AoT community as Gabi did when she killed Sasha. I can see why people lean towards the side of the Jaegerists, but the love for Floch comes solely from being Eren's right-hand man this season. Most people seemed to be neutral/disliked him in season 3 because he opposed the main trio, but now have a newfound love for him.

Gu
>>103846720

Oh it's just cuz we haven't gotten to those episodes yet

Rae

Notice how Eren said "Like I said, if you tell us where Zeke is, there's no need for us to fight". He never said this to them and is lying in front of the yeagerists and using it as a cover-up. Also, I love how Armin went to punch him for hurting Mikasa just like when she punched him to the ground for insulting Armin in season 1.

Wulfheart
>>103835243

Yeah, Zeke is just like no you're an idiot she just likes you.

rosa_gris

Loving the different takes and perspectives - in the video and comments section 😊 I love narratives that are thought-provoking and challenges one’s empathy and morals. It’s always interesting to see vastly different points of view. Another piece of media that is just as divisive as AOT (if not more) is The Last of Us (both games, more so Part 2..). Hoping HBO adapts Part 2 so we could see your reactions.

Jeffrey

I could understand the Jaegerists' perspective and their support behind the Eldian empire. It's us (Eldians) vs. the world kind of situation. If Eren didn't infiltrate and attack Marley, Tybur and Magath still would've declared a war against Paradis. Eren put himself and Paradis in a better position to prepare for a large scale attack from Marley and the rest of the world. It's only until part 2 season finale did we learn that diplomacy was not an option given the history of Eldians. Eren was one of my favourite characters in the show. I was racking my brain trying to think of a reason, any reason that made logical sense, why he would berate and attack Mikasa and Armin like he did in this episode. "To protect Mikasa and Armin". Those words still had to have meaning, right? The only logical explanation I could think of was that, he's trying to emotionally detach himself from them because he was planning to do something that would force his friends to stop or kill him. What that "something" was, I had no idea. I had no idea what Eren's true intentions were at this point. The show didn't allow us to explore his inner psyche during these moments. It was purposely hidden from us, the audience.

Caroline B.

Carter is BASED AF, I agree with him 100%.

Goat-ruto
>>103796119

Lol. Despite that one piece tak, I WOULD NOT recommend you attempt to watch one piece 🤣..... There's absolutely no reason for you to start an anime that is 1000 plus episodes as an adult. If you have a 12-15 year old cousin/brother then you should recommend it to them. They have the time to burn. I would however recommend y'all watch a couple Naruto Arcs. The first arc is elite and it's just the first 19 episodes. It also wraps up nicely in a bow where you can easily exit without having to watch more episodes. The second arc is one of the best Naruto Arcs and it's from episode 20 to like 67....y'all would lose your minds in that arc. It doesn't end Ina place that's easy to stop watching but you can still stop at 67.

Ryan

I was heavily pro-Eren and Jaegerist at this point because what has Hange, Armin and the scouts plan been this whole time? To just wait around and try to make friends with the people who hate you and are terrified of you? While a noble approach, it’s borderline delusional. They’re praying on a pipe dream while the Jaegerists seem to be operating fully aware of the harsh reality of their situation. So it’s either: Safety and protection by any means necessary. Or hoping you can change the minds of millions of scared and hateful people after thousands of years of atrocities by the hands of your own race.

Jag_227

"Was whimpering while covered in shit part of your master plan?!" 😂

Monther

Eren the goat. Fuck them idiots

Kim555

Carter in his fascist era 💀

winter

Wow so the discussion has finally reached the good parts. The way I see it if you've seen Naruto since you mentioned Sasuke it's simple: Eren is Pain/Nagato or Obito, they have been radicalized for understandable reasons, believing that the goal justifies any means bc goodness and kindness have no place in a cruel world. This is the main problem with AoT which is an exceptionally well made manga/anime, the understandable villain of other stories is instead the hero, which if you take a look at the author's background becomes very understandable, the story of Eren represents the hero of the Japanese right wing radicals of which the author is one. He's very very talented but also problematic. Btw it's funny bc a lot of viewers will be radicalized with Eren which just shows that it's not something that just happens to strange or stupid ppl but that everybody can be easily swayed by well done radical rhethorics.

winter
>>103876867

The problem is the connection of this fantastical story to real politics as you probably know😅

winter
>>103912856

? Do you think that telling ppl you don't agree with to shut up works or is there anything else wrong with you? This is an issue that comes with AoT whether you like it or not. Don't speak about it if you don't want to, telling other ppl to shut up won't help you.

Rashad T

Can't kill Zeke because the Beast Titan power will go to a random Eldian that's been born.

Linnea anderson

I jsut hope the titan verisons don't feel pain

Linnea anderson

pro eren, anti jeagerists and floch, Erens just kinda using flock and floch is mostly the one leading the jeagerists

humbleandkindness

I’m no Jaegerist, but team eren all the way

Mizzy

You can love and understand Eren and still disagree with what he's doing. That's where I'm at.

Fátima Quintero
>>103796119

I think that if you ever watch One Piece you need to be sure you want to watch it... bc if you do it on presure or you are not used to some anime tropes you are going to judge the road... is also so long, but there are literaly hundred of pages that tells you how to watch it avoiding filler... and there's a page that even cuts the episodes that are unnecesary so you ended up seen like 650 episodes.... Another thing that I can say, is that imagine if AOT started in Grisha's Origins... or If we see all the Journey of Eren and the 104 cadets... If, instead of just a two episodes of Ovas about Levi we see more of his journey in his first years in the Scouts or his relationship with Kenny... If we see more of the spent time of Annie, Bertolto xd and Reiner in the walls... The relationship of Marco and Jean... like there's A LOT of aot content that we would love to see because it would add so much more to the story... one piece is like that ☺️

Shiro

I must say, I really don’t understand Eren’s intentions at all - they seem very immature to me. For one, Zeke presents a valid 50 year solution which will strengthen Paradis’ position militarily and help bring the island up to date with the real world. If you forget his secret euthanization plan for the moment, this seems to be the most logical and viable plan for the future. And yet, Eren rejects it!! He travels the world, sees people hate Eldians and his solution is to wipe out EVERYONE, indiscriminately. If the issue is strategic defense, then Paradis has the best weapon to defend and protect itself- it is very difficult to counter the colossals. If it is the 2000 year hatred against your race, then fighting an idea with force is a bad solution. Ideas need to be countered with ideas, just by killing everyone, the hatred will not go away, but will be transferred to the survivors. There was never a perfect solution available, hence a compromise is the best choice. Also, 50 years is a long time period. People change, generations change. Paradis is a very new player, they can generate a lot of goodwill using titans and create a favorable impression, that is, if they really want to engage with the rest of the world. I have never ever been in favor of genocide, and this indiscriminate killing of people enrages me , on either side. I cannot understand how anyone can defend Eren at this point. Kiyomi said it to Floch as well- you will only narrow your world, that is all. And remember, what Marley is doing now, Eldia did the same thing, worse to its own people. Who’s to say that after Eren’s generation is gone, the descendants don’t use their own people as weapons to fight each other? So even that problem will not go away as all we have in the world are subjects of Ymir … so how is this global genocide solving anything at all?

Nick K

The shift in Eren from pre-radicalized to post is that he shut everyone out who cared about him. The only people who follow Eren now do so for his goals, but don't care about him as a person. He treats his friends and comrades like trash, while sacrificing anyone that's in the way for the sake of his goal. He says he is "free" but free in what way? He certainly is not free from burden because he feels bound to this duty. He also only has a few years left. Someone with a clock ticking and only one thing they can pursue in their remaining time is not very free. He doesn't enjoy killing innocents, and yet he did, because he is not free. Someone who is free in every sense does not do things they don't wish to do. He even states that memories shape who we are, and by Armin consuming Berthtold he has become compromised, yet Eren has not only gained the Attack and Founding titans and gained memories from them, but he also just recently ate the Warhammer titan. It seems like an elaborate act, yet when Armin calls him a slave after their fight, he gets visibly angry so the truth is hard to discern.

Doodlez

Its crazy how much you dont understand even the rewatchers.. his jaw? are you serious xD and just saying that not everything a characters says is 100% right wtf people can lie you need to judge by yourself if someone is saying the truth. You need to look at his past actions and take more stuff in consideration. Its the same for your next anime(deathnote) theres also a charakter/charakters whos liying with almost everything hes saying xD

Bob

Dude asking the best questions: "Who's gotten into Eren's head?"

esie ♡︎

I don’t think it’s so wrong to hold such a strong opinion at this point before you had caught up. Honestly, it’s pretty great to see Cannon so passionately upset at Eren, because same. I’m still anti-jeagerists even though it’s for the greater good. 😭

Unika Ang
>>103979592

You didn't understand Eren's intentions because he wasn't trying to solve problems, he started rumbling to destroy the world just because he wanted to do so.

Unika Ang

Eren is a slave to his twisted freedom.

Unika Ang
>>103876867

Hange, Armin and the scouts were not against the rumbling, they were planning to use the rumbling for deterrence or to exterminate Malay and after that make peace with the rest of the world and then develop technology, which sounds reasonable.

Ruthie Ibeji
>>103979592

I am by no means in favor of genocide but I do believe Eren is doing this to ensure that his people are permanently free and at “peace.” Sure 50 years is a long time but the cycle will continue to play itself out. Eren believes that killing everyone who ever opposed of them will leave him and his people free forever. Sure there might be civil wars and stuff in the future but at least they wouldn’t be forced to be caged up in a wall all the time,either defending themselves or always constantly having to go into war in the future when their enemy comes back. I think Eren sees peace as not having any conflict with anyone outside of Eldians. Also, Idk if this has been debunked or not because I’m not caught up with the anime or the manga but perhaps Eren has seen the future further then 50 years or less. Maybe he sees that the war with the outside gets worse and he decides that the only way to prevent the huge conflict between Eldians and the rest of the world is to kill everyone who opposes of Eldians. When you really think about it, no matter how many times they kill or scare away the enemy, the enemy will eventually come back for revenge even if it takes a long time.

Gabriela Mantilla

Gotta say I completely stand with Cannon on this one even if he’s the minority 😭

locomojoboy

Which one is Cannon again?

Josh Howard

Anti Jaegerist here!

Martin Eliecer Mitre Thomas

Eren is a Slave to freedom os one of the most ironic yet real statements I've got from this guys. Loved it

april 🍏

This episode hurts my feelings lol

april 🍏

This episode cemented Cannon as my fav on the couch lol Eren is SUCH a slave to freedom and i love hearing it worded that way. The other reactors are great too- even if I am anti-jaegrist lol

Helily

Eren looks tortured. Like he has to do something he doesn't want to do but he has to do it. For what? Freedom? His friends? Some other reason not disclosed so far? IDK but I agree everyone is a slave to something but I don't see this as a bad thing necessarily. Erwin was a slave to his dream and so was Armin and a lot of good and bad came from them trying to chase their dreams. Eren is the same. He has something he wants and in order to get it, some people are going to be fucked over and some people won't. It's all a matter of what you chose to be a slave to.

DoughyNut

I actually love all the star wars stuff you guys say, not sure if you guys are gonna react to much more star wars stuff but if so I look forward to it

Sasha

Carter W

Sasha
>>105120530

What do you mean minority? I think only Carter is Jaegerist?

Blue John

Love the discussion you guys had, as with other episodes too, only this one has quite a bit more going for it obviously. How I wish i was here too when y'all put up this video.

Blue John
>>103907719

This doesn't make sense. If the author want to push his agenda, i don't think he'd portrayed eren as this uncompromising, unreasonable person (at this point at least). If anything, the show actually paints that sort of radical problem solving as very distasteful.

livewiki

What is so tragic about the conversation at the beginning, is that Eren was the only one in the room who wasn't free. He was a slave to his own future will. He was predestined from the start to walk this path. He desired freedom the most, and was the only one who never got to experience it.