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Hunter x Hunter - Episode 122 (Patreon)

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2024-02-25 00:11:02
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Netero vs. Meruem!

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kirk poss

The king said he will spare those who are deemed worthy but that doesn't mean he sparing everyone.

dmc 1219

Just keeps getting better!!

Kos

Agreeing with the ideology is good sure, but you’re not supposed to route for him it’s like sympathizing with hitler because in his mind he was doing something good. No one is evil in there own eyes

Jay rellim

the show has described pouf as a fanatic for the king, which i def agree with. it's why he hates the kings development - treating a human with respect, or potentially having regret for killing someone

Michael H

The problem with genocidal maniacs who justify killing millions to better the world is that they’re usually stupid charismatic. Still genocidal maniacs, though.

Hisoka Morrow

Really love your reaction here. Yeah, you guys were right, it made so many of us thinking about letting those ants live because the King was seem changing. But you're making your argument to the right point, just like Eren, if we're being honest, all of us would afraid both Eren or Meruem to just walking around the city and hoping for what is likely to be a false dawn that someone THAT powerful wouldn't do anything all they want. To have that much power, with nothing can stop, no balance and checking power, that one will become destructive force at any moment. That's why Netero said that which sides Meruem fall into, the outcome wouldn't change, the world is too complex than what Meruem think he could make it without using force or using it to just conquered the world in the first place. No, the world will force him to keep using terror to maintain his power, plus he still said he will spare only someone or the weak who deserved to live. But why Meruem is the only one who can decide which person deserved to live? And What if they're just the weak with nothing special, are those human deserved to live or not? PS. Even I always triggered by his words, when he said things about to crush those madness by using terror only to begin his process, that's what all dictators in this world had claimed to make it, and what's happened after that? Yeah we're all know the consequences. That's why even Meruem really is being pure and nice here, but I just can't blindly accept his statement, that's why the outcome won't change.

Project Freelancer

the king want to kill all humans he deems to not be valuable thus he is judge jury and executioner on who has the right to live. He has to die hes a monster using platitudes and niceties to justify mass murder

Tre

This is such a peak fight ! But also The king and his ants have killed thousands and thousands of people you cant just let somebody like that live because they said they’d change now lmao

Hisoka Morrow

Funny enough, Pouf's appearances as a butterfly, the final stage of the metamorphosis, which it's look like he won't be able to evolve, right?

Eric Belanger

If you like that duality around the king actions, like is he straight up bad or neutral, you would like the show Shiki. Amazing story, art, animation and thought provoking as well. I think it would be a perfect fit for a reaction channel, it's a shame that Shiki is not reacted to more often. Parasite would've been mentioned for the same reasons but that one is already under you radar :)

Boosted Inferno

This episode is especially interesting cus meruem the antking is acting as a civil being with an idea about a honorful way of ruling the world (but in reality not actually working through ethics etc), while instead the humans (netero) act like many humans in the past, by not negotiating and but mostly searching the easier and faster way by war/conflict to solve problems. Because he thinks humans are superior as any other species. Its like the roles of the ants (monsters) and humans changed

mamimumemo

I just realized that the way Meruem sit is just like Gon 😂 I get what Michelle felt but The King is basically just a tyrannical king, whatever his reason is, just like Netero said he's still wavering, but either way it's bad. Even though he changed he's still think of only spare lives that worth based on his decision. But I also agree with what Meruem said, human being sucks, with all the borders, many idiots wandering around bossing and killing and getting rich, the rest is dying at the other side 🫠 Togashi's writing is so good.

Susanom
>>130601039

Nah, I disagree with this childish parallel. You super simplify human history by saying they just fought instead of negotiating. Also you simplify Meruem's and Netero's thinking. And Meruem doesn't use words, he uses force. If you didn't understand he was forcing Netero to do what he wants, and in the end would be using his power to do what he wants.

defnotdai

I understand feeling compelled to root for the king, but the thing is you're not supposed to.....he's not human, nor is he really on the side of humans. So, in a situation like this, emotions, empathy, and compromise are out the window, especially at this point. The king doesn't think like a human, which is a problem in itself. Remember he doesn't want to spare all of humanity, he just cares about Komugi and anyone else he chooses to deem as worthy. That aside, he still wants to murder and take control of humanity. Yeah, there's been signs of growth, but it's not NEARLY enough to give him any sort of grace. He's already killed so many innocent people, babies, hunters etc. It's not realistic to think/hope that he and Komugi would just go and live happily ever after, coexisting peacefully with humans. Somebody gotta take the fall.

Moses T24

The way I saw this episode was basically two big entities fighting to be superior among each other. In the Kings case he’s willing to be more fair but he’s no where near giving up in becoming the ruler of the world and In Netero’s case, his resistance to negotiate is basically him showing that the humans are going to still remain the superior race. To me, I’m on Netero’s side because even though the King has changed, he’s still going to terrorize the world and kill/eat a lot of humans way before he establishes peace and order.

pqpqpqpq

Why are so many commentors acting like they can't root for both of them? "You're not supposed to root for the king". Did you all miss the morally grey theme of this entire arc? You know, the whole damn point of it? It's not black and white. I swear, a ton of you have very low media literacy towards obvious things. Once a show has a situation where the lines between good and evil are blurred, it's like you can't even see and it HAVE to pick a side lmao. As if it's like a Naruto situation. You're supposed to see good and evil traits in most of the characters here, and idk how it's not obvious by now if you've seen the rest of the show, or even if you're just watching along with R&G lmao. I guess that's my mistake for looking at the comments for once, where brains come to degrade. For whining about letting them figure out everything on their own, a lot of you sure love telling them how to feel

gdnsx

its really not weird to like the king and to root for him, i'd find it more relatable if u guys even admit to liking the "bad guys" in anime more often, ofc only when its true

Mu Nanyo

This is their only chance to even go toe to toe with the king. They cant afford to give up on this chance in hopes of the king turning over a more lenient leaf. Personally in Netero’s position I would let him. Yes there would be carnage and terror but the Netero has seen how fucked up some of the world is. It needs an overhaul.

To To
>>130601039

And netero is also motivated by the fact that he have finally met a really good challenger so he can finally fight at 100percent

Rocketboy
>>130606556

Chill my good sir it is only a HxH episode, no need to disrespect/insult people over this

Kwuagga

Sure, Meruem is being charismatic and at some points he even seems reasonable, by for example, pointing out an obvious injustice, that is the the existence of a poor and weak majority and, a super rich and powerful minority. It's easy to interpret this as virtuousness, especially considering how we've known him in previous episodes, but if you really listen to (read) what he's saying, he's just emanating copious amounts of Hitler particles 💀

ChocoBoshi

I think some of the commenters so far have misunderstood what I think you guys meant when you said you're kind of rooting for the King. If I understand correctly its not that you are agreeing with the Kings idea of a fair world (I'm sure you're not saying genocide for the sake of improving those who remains lives is justified) but instead you are saying that with the progress the King has made so far you are rooting for a future where the remaining ants led by the King can exist in harmony with humans instead of needing to be eradicated because of the threat they pose now. This is honestly a really good take and is seemingly the thought Netero has while he is confronting the King here. He sees a reasoning being in front of him who has made great strides in become more humane and it goes against his nature to snuff that out without giving it a chance to develop. When Netero says "I have to complete this mission before my heart is swayed" he is going through the same feelings you guys are while also understanding how important it is for him to not allow the worst outcome to happen. I see a lot of comments about how "that's what dictators say they want to do in real life", the main difference being that we know that the King actually wants to achieve the things he is talking about here, unlike real life leaders who have agendas that don't involve devoting themselves whole heartedly to the pursuit of a "fair" world. In addition, those goals are not goals formed from hate for something like most real life genocidal maniacs, instead they are made from values which he has learned from observing humans. Initially the King only valued himself and his species but over the short 10 day period of waiting for the selection he has learned to value certain aspects of humans as well. So while what the King is saying does echo real world dictators his actual feelings and means of achieving his actual goals do not.

Noah G
>>130606556

There's nothing wrong with liking him, but him being alive is objectively bad for humanity. So they just have to let him rule the world with power and terror until whatever he deems "necessary order" and just hope that doesn't equal billions of human casualties.

Grim

What's wrong with you 2? Did you already forgot all the other episodes of them murdering villages and so many ppl for food? Lmao

Nelson Hernandez

Reminder: The Chairman put the same rules that we’re on the last part of the Hunter exams

Bertha

That’s why this arc is so amazing, you really start to wonder if there could be a world where ants and humans live. They’re the enemy, but.. they’re not so bad I mean they killed and ate hundreds of people 😅 but some are changing like the king & colt and the lizard & the squid. I caught myself being swayed when I watched this for the first time, I really like the king.

The CulturedGentleman

What i love about this anime is that it forces you to really think. The king is born a monster and one can make an argument to say that wasnt really his fault right? In the same way humans are born with defects/conditions and we try to sympathize/empathize with them. The king was born a monster and through his own personal learning, has made great strides in understanding what it means to be human. He is simply doing what he was born to do. Can u blame him? Netero on the other hand is in a corner because hes facing down a true monster and regardless of how much the king might come off as human, he understands what his true nature is and is not swayed by his emotions in that moment. You can tell he was trying to force that fight because he was actually starting to like him ever since he got there and realizing that they had hurt komugi and he cared for her. He is not behaving like the monster he thought him to be. The fact is, this anime is no longer about wrong or right but simply showing there is two sides to every story and allows us, the viewers to make our own logical understanding on either humans or ants. The ants are no longer all bad, and humans are not all good either

The CulturedGentleman

Netero had to force the king to fight him because if he sat and talked, he knew he might end up losing his will to kill him the longer it dragged on

iu

they dont have to kill all the ants

Grim
>>130608984

Cool and this are just comments and questions what your point?

Aiyuu

I see there a lot of comments against the King here and while everyone is absolutely correct with their arguments, it seems like you all have overlooked the message that author is trying to tell behind the story. Every coin has two sides, heads and tails. But so far, most people only talk about ONE side, so I’m gonna talk for the other side, just for the sake of understanding. 1. The King is nothing like Hitler. You could say that Eren is similar to Hitler, but not the King. Both Eren and Hitler are humans with full awareness of good and bad and the actions that they chose are the conclusion they arrived at after having gone through various life experiences. The King however is only a few months old, the ideology he is speaking of right now is result of only a few months of “studying”. He is still in the early days of learning, which is why you can tell his logic is flawed because he still doesn’t understand how complex human nature can be. However, the most important thing is: he is WILLING to learn. If he is just a dictator, he wouldn’t hesitate to cut down anyone standing in his way. But no, he is willing to talk, to learn, to understand better. This is totally different from both Eren and Hitler, they have finished their learning process and decided that their actions are the only true right path and fully committed to it, refusing to listen to anything else. So saying the King is like Hitler is poor comparison. The closet analogy that i could think of to describe the King is when you see a kid who has so much fun playing with an animal that he eventually kills the animal (and I have definitely seen this in real life, especially with insects). The kid’s actions are evil, but the kid himself is not evil. He just not yet understand what compassion is. 2. I see a lot of people say “you’re not supposed to root for the King” and the reason being mostly because he has killed thousands of people. But I really don’t understand how so. The King is not human, so I find it weird to apply human concept of righteousness to him because his moral standard is different from us To us, killing another human is bad, but killing another animal for food is fine. To the King, he has made it very clear that he doesn’t view humans as “human”. From his point of view, humans are animals to chimera ants, just like what animals are to humans. So if killing an animal for food isn’t bad in human society, killing a human for food shouldn’t be bad either in chimera ant society. So my point is this battle we’re having right now isn’t one between good and bad, right and wrong but rather, a war between two different species who are fighting for their spot to be on top of the food chain. This is natural selection. And if this is not about right or wrong, then anyone should be allowed to draw their own opinion on the matter of whether the King should live or die without being judged as right or wrong. 3. As for my own opinion on the matter, I adore the King and wish he could live on with Komugi, but narrative-wise and realistically, he should die here. I have to say that his campaign there really convinced me, but at the same time, I know it’s too ideal and unrealistic, not to mention that even if I pass his “worth to live” check, I’m still just animal to him. I’m sure that with his willingness to learn, the King might someday learn that humans are intelligent beings that can’t be put on the same level as other animals or livestocks, but that will take time and there is a chance it may not happen. So instead of betting on that “ideal” future that may or may not happen, I’d prefer to eliminate him now to ensure my survival. But i will do so because i want to survive as a species, not because I’m a good guy or anything. And narrative-wise, this a shounen anime, so there has to be a fight somehow. I don’t think people would like it if the story just ends with peace talk 😂.

ChocoBoshi
>>130615312

in your #2 paragraph you brought up a point I didn't mention in my comment but one I totally agree with. The King isn't "Evil" everything he has done since his birth has been learning about the world and fighting against his nature trying to become what he thinks is objectively better. Great comment, really enjoyed reading it

Faiz
>>130615312

As a psychology major, I have to say that this is very well written in terms of considering the "grey" side of things and explaining that not everything is black and white. 👏

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@ ChocoBoshi Thank you so much for reading my comment. Yes all of the ants since they’re born have only been acting based on their natural instincts that come with the genetics they are associated with. Like Pitou for example is modelled after a cat and it really shows in the way she toys with her prey, just like a real cat does. So to see her learning compassion through the King is very beautiful. And you’re right, the King is really fighting against his nature to subjugate the urge to kill humans and I find it quite admirable that he’s trying hard for it (even if he’s not there yet).

Kwuagga
>>130615312

I agree with all your points. My comment was more a response to "wanting to root for Meruem"/"thinking his current plan is good" from a human perspective, which means I applied human morals and standards to him. But yes, he is more complicated than "totalitarian dictator".

Killua X

These moments that make you question and waver who you're rooting for is what makes this anime and arc so great

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@Faiz Thank you! I’m not in psychology major but I have always been interested in the topic and I have also done Philosophy once. I can also draw a few instances in this arc that closely relates to some interesting philosophy topics that I probably shouldn’t bore you with. But yeah this arc, despite being fictional, really helps us to think critically about the world we live in.

Anonymous

I understand the emotional conflict between siding with the king and Netero, but remember that even though the king is changing, he STILL wants to conquer and rule the world. Netero cannot back down, because the king will not accept just living a quiet and peaceful life. He still has to fight him for the sake of human order. Yes, the king wants to remove equality, but we cannot “give him a chance” because no matter how kind he is becoming, it’s still a world order with ants ruling over humans

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@Kwuagga Great! I’m just so glad I’m able to convey the King’s perspective to others because I really like him as a character.

ChocoBoshi
>>130615312

Thats so funny, Faiz is a psychology major and I'm a philosophy major. Probably plays into why we enjoy HxH so much XD I think the King is a really interesting character as well and I think that part of what makes him so interesting to me is the fact that he is set up as an antithesis to Gon in a lot of ways. In spite of this he finds a way to somehow be the more reasonable of the two at this point in the arc even though this episode begins with him professing his plan to cull the human population.

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@ ChocoBoshi Wow really? Interesting haha. I major in economics actually (though I suck at it), and I did psychology just as an elective in high school and philosophy as an extra subject in university. But I see fate has brought the three of us together 😂.

Mirco
>>130602226

Funny tho, I've watched this Anime a lot of times and this was my first time realizing it too 😁

Anonymous

No right or wrong side but when the king was slapping kids heads off hmmm idk

Trinature
>>130608084

Considering the king changed in such s short time whos to say that the he stops changing? I would argue that he could reach a conclusion where thinks all humans are worth "saving"

Inferno91

damn i was hoping you guys would do a double episode!!

SirCatelot
>>130621237

why would they? nothing happens in 123 that would require a double drop

Happy Kraken

Actual PEAK ANIME is here, no big deal..

HappyDude
>>130620012

If you can like a person like Killua who changed, but has killed his fair share of innocent people before (episode 7 for example) and I'm sure you do like him, you can like the King it's not all black and white brother

Quitzx1

Don't always take words at face value when watching anime. Like how the king says he will "protect the weak" Its all sounds good. But remember when the king was swayed by Komugi, it was fairly easy for the royal guards to get him back into that mentality that he was the one and only king. The king then went to go kill Komugi, BUT AGAIN WAS SWAYED, by her getting attacked by the eagle. He is too easily swayed by others around him, by both good and bad people.

William Tippen
>>130620012

You think killua who we’ve only seen kill people that were pos is the same as the king who we’ve seen kill plenty of people that didn’t deserve to die? Oh you definitely would have sold us into slavery to the king if you were the one making the decision.

William Tippen

A lot of mf in here that would have sold us to the ants if they were the one making the choice I see… 🤦🏾‍♂️

Yoona Kim
>>130615312

jesus christ bros writing essays out of this i swear wth (no hate)

William Tippen
>>130620012

But killua isn’t my favorite so your whole point you tried to make is in the trash. It’s simply their actions aren’t even comparable in the slightest. Aye if you sympathize with mass murderers because they’ve showed a sliver of kindness that’s for you and whatever lord you pray to to deal with. ✌🏾

Susanom
>>130628581

you know the reason marketing and selling works is because most people can be brainwashed. Just like russians and trumpists get brainwashed by selling, so do anime watchers get by Meruem and sht.

Susanom

Just imagine Meruem trying to brainwash the blonde hunter from the next arc xD So sad the chairman took some useless guys with him, it would be fun to see the real brain and strength of the Hunter association play with the ants.

Kwuagga
>>130608084

Good point too. However I also think his rapid changes are a bit concerning. Could he not just change his mind again on something, in a way that's detrimental to the interests of humanity? Unless we assume that he's only capable of developing in one direction (towards humanity).

Kae
>>130607182

Even if the King succeeded, this "fair" society could not last forever. It's just the nature of living in a world with limited resources, you end up where you start.

Rja831

I honestly never felt for the king like you guys do I wanted to see a death match between them 2

Rja831

You guys do realize if netero agreed to the kings proposal he said he would only allow a select few of humans survive with them only the ones that are worthy.. which means 99% of humanity is gonna get killed and eaten by them lol

Goon

yeah just give him a chance, sure he wants to go on genocidal rampage and kill off 99% of humanity but keep the ones, he thinks are worthy enough alive.. What are yall yapping on about.. Lmao

Usher

Meruem's plan looks really good on paper but when you think about what it truly means.. Let's just say it's ugly

Phyllis

This show just makes you want to be on both sides because we understand both sides mind and is so conflicting. On a side note, Pouf is the butterfly ant guy, Pitou is the cat ant and Youpi is the Centaur ant. I think this was from the last video but the King ant guards and the King cannot communicate through telepathy. I believe if I remember correctly, it's only the ants under the queen that can communicate with each other via telepathy.

Reapers Odium
>>130615312

Your points would not be any different if you were to replace the king with colonialism. They viewed others as less than human, but at least the king is willing to compromise with an entire different species

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@Reapers Odium Yes my point still stands. And to repeat, the point is the King is biologically a entirely different species which do not comprehend the notions of right and wrong, of cruelty or compassion. They are similar to wild animals that follow jungle law rather than human law. Colonialism, on the other hand, no matter how hard they try to view themselves as better than other humans, still humans. Hence, human moral standards still apply to them. So when a human kills another human, you can call that “evil”, but if the King does, you may call that “natural selection” or “cycle of nature”.

Reapers Odium
>>130615312

Except the King as well as other ants have displayed various emotions which go against the typical ant hivemind. For example, colt showing compassion towards children and youpi respecting enemies of the king. The government is terrified because the king is an anomaly that threatens their ability to maintain power and control, but they ignore the zoldyck family, who for generations have murdered people for simply wealth.

ChocoBoshi
>>130615312

@ Reapers I would argue that there is a huge difference between the Zoldyck family who only kill for money and not for power and obviously have agreements with those governing bodies and a species of ants which have no regard for the government and seek to assert themselves as the dominant species. If the Zoldycks had the same goals as the ants they would be taken out in the same fashion.

Reapers Odium
>>130615312

@ChocoBoshi The entire point is that chimera ants are individuals as well and they do not all wish to establish their own kingdom. It's easier to dehumanize an entire population in order to rationalize eradicating them. Just to provide insight, money holds significant power.

Aiyuu
>>130615312

@Reapers Sorry I’m not sure I understand what you try to convey here. The point that you made about the ants showing emotions is the same as me saying the King is “learning” compassion, which is same for other ants. And the speed of learning is even faster for those who started regaining their pervious human life memory. So it’s probably just a matter of time before the ants become aware of compassion completely like a human would but at least at this point, they have not reached that state yet. And of course the ants would have individuality. Each one of them is the combination of variety of species, which greatly affects their personalites and obviously, the unique experiences each of them encounter after birth will cause them to mature in different ways as well. But nevermind that. What I don’t understand is how what you say about the ants individuality, the government and the zoldycks family connects to my comment about the King. Or perhaps you’re talking about a different topic? Maybe can you elaborate?

Mario Prime Plays

One thing to note too is that the chairman has orders from above. He doesn’t have a choice of sparing the king because these higher ups want them eradicated. That’s another thing about humans that aren’t as good is that there’s politics when it comes to these things.

The Dark Knight
>>130650400

It’s similar to how Michelle was feeling right after Itachi’s truth got revealed. She said fk the innocent and the kids in Konoha, avenge Itachi 😂😂

Anakin

Nah Michelle, you are siding with enslaving mankind and commiting genocide on the human race. With only the worthy being spared by the king himself. I ain't wit it.

The Lazy Genius

netero insisted only settling things ina fight not just because the world government told him to, but he personally dedicated his whole life to martial arts and he was thankful for the ant to exist so he can ghave an all out battle toward the end of his life

The Lazy Genius

but yeah I agree with you, I really liked the ant king maturaty and humblness even though he supposed to be the arrogant evil villain

soa

With Meruem I just liken him a bit to Light, wanting to rule the world and he gets to play judge and executioner.