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EARLY ACCESS: Pride & Prejudice FULL REACTION (Patreon)

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SURPRISE!!!! At least we hope it is to some :) We had to get at least one of the high ranking poll options to y'all. This was an interesting film. We have an interesting review (slightly heated) if you stick around to watch. Great cast. Good to see Dame Judi Dench and Donald Sutherland. Keira crushed it as always. We believe this was from a book. Has anyone read them? Did it stay true to source material? We are curious to your perspectives to the review as well. 

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stephanie

OMG?? this is exactly why you guys are my faves

Danielle Dymond

So glad I have an excuse to watch this again this month 🤩

Jorreca

NO YOU GUYS DID NOT!!! Never thought you guys would ever come to watch one of my favourite movies but here we are 😂

L AH

Yeeeees, i love this movie 😍😍 I read the book when I was younger but I really can’t remember it haha

☻Shell🎔⋆˚🐾˖°

You legends! I can't wait to watch this - I love the mini series version too, and the book, what a nice surprise this is. Have a great weekend guys!

Andrew Hansen

You should consider reacting to at least the pilot episode of Downtown Abbey

Jenna

I won’t lie…when I read the caption and y’all hit us with the “we believe this was from a book” …I had to take a few moments. I’m both laughing and astounded. It’s freaking Jane Austen! Pride and Prejudice! One of the most well known, taught in literature classes, and remade on screen stories of all time! Excited to watch this with you guys later. Thanks for the kick 😂

Sarah

So glad you guys did this reaction. Love this movie and book.

Jeff K
>>102643440

I think Austen's book was actually inspired by Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, of course.

Miss_CJ

I'm so excited for this x) This is one of my favorite love stories because of the book (which is my favorite comfort book, I've read it so many times). I know I'll probably have a lot to talk about after watching your reaction but here are my thoughts after reading the description. The movie I would say did a great job with the casting, overall the cinematography and the soundtrack were beautiful. It's a very peaceful watch and this movie does well at playing in the background while doing other things, if that makes sense? I would say that a few elements were cut short because they had to pack all of the story the best they could into a movie. Some characters were also left out, most of the dialogues and subtleties were also left out, only showing a few. I would say I like this movie a lot (as well as the mini series) but the book stays my preference. I shall write another comment once I finish watching your reaction, I'm sure I'll have more to comment on xD! You guys have no idea how happy I am that you are reacting to this. This love-hate love story is actually one of the first to ever be written and was a bit ahead of its time, it also shaped that genre tremendously. <3

☻Shell🎔⋆˚🐾˖°
>>102643429

I'm sure I will :) There's actually a Bollywood version of this as well - Its not as good, but its fun and colorful and a couple of well known Bollywood actors in it! Its called Bride and prejudice lol

Kristin Carter

I am *so* excited, going to watch as soon as I get home. I was hoping this was going to be the surprise 🥰🥰🥰

stephanie
>>102642695

gonna be honest with the amount of books i read on a daily basis, i have no memory if i did or didnt 😂 this however is one of my favorite romance movies! cant wait to watch & hear ur afterthoughts!

Jeff K

Well now you guys HAVE to react to Pride and Prejudice and Zombies (yes, it’s a real thing). That movie is legitimately solid and far better than it has any right to be.

Halestar

Ahhhh! I'm so excited you decided to watch this! I know what I'm going on my lunch break. Can't wait to watch!

Kathryn Murders

https://youtu.be/r5cqa9V0mUo For Oak. 😀

Ruby

I am so excited to watch this later tonight!! I would say the book had a few more details, but overall the movie did a beautiful job with the adaptation, and the essence of the characters and the story is there. I would go as far to say that this is *one* of my favorite adaptations of a book that I have seen :)

Lev

NO WAY WHY DIDN'T I GET A NOTIF FOR THIS AHHCKK

Angelina

THIS IS THE BEST SURPRISE EVER

J A C

Ooh YAY!! I was hoping that THIS film was the surprise!😍 Although I would have been happy with whatever you all prepared for us. I am so excited to watch! Thank you so much for Reacting to one of my all time FAVORITE romantic films/novels🌷.

J Ludwig

In the books, Elizabeth is the only daughter that shares Mr. Bennet's sense of humor and quick wit which is why she's her father's favorite. That's probably why he always took up for her against her mom's wishes. Loved this reaction!

Caroline Price

Alright… Oak, I was waiting to hear your deep take on knowing the real quality of a person. Instead, well… You lacked insight for the first time!! They fell in love with who they got to know. He was impressed with her intelligence and inhibition of sharing her opinions. I’m sure so many women just want him for his status. She was a breath of fresh air. He started falling in love day one. When her sister was sick, she immediately attended to her. She doesn’t care the image she portrays with a muddy hem. She continually does not pander to impress him. She is well read and a different kind of beautiful he never knew before. She fell in love when she discovered who he really was. His kindness. His humility. His generosity and devotion to his friendships. Love matching was so difficult for that time, so to find it is the beauty of this movie. Maybe we could convince you to watch Bridgerton.. you may just hate period pieces. But I do think you may appreciate it more than this one

L AH

To argue with Oak - I think he projects a very modern view of dating to what was the reality back then. Things moved really quickly at that time: people got married earlier, because people died way younger than nowadays and by many causes that could be preventable today. That’s why Mr Lucas said that she was 27 (which is young for us) but already a burden to her parents. Most marriages were arranged or meant to increase one’s station. This story was about a loving relationship between two equals, who both realized their wrongs and changed their opinions, which I think makes it interesting and, quite romantic for the time period and even now - You just can’t say Twilight was a better love story than this just because you didn’t like the love story in Pride and Prejudice haha. I love Twilight but it’s a toxic love story, about two co-dependent people, who should have sought professional help. It caused a lot of damage to young people who thought this kind of relationship was normal. Also, both Edward and Bella spent tons of time together throughout the movies but I know you can’t tell me one thing they have in common, especially since we know nothing about Bella or what she likes. Their relationship is not healthy, it’s just based on obsession. - Same with the notebook: it’s a great love story that I love but you’re just overlooking some red flags like Noah threatening to off himself in the fair if he doesn’t get a date with Allie. In real life, if a guy threatens suicide if you don’t meet his demands or if he follows you around until you accepts (while repeatedly saying no), it’s not sexy nor quirky, you should call the police and leave immediately. - All in all, I’d rather have fewer good interactions leading to what you know will be a healthy relationship, than dozens of scenes with toxicity 😬

Love10 ❤️

Can't go wrong with this classic....... I voted forthis. I read the books and I looooooooove this movie. Perfection.

L AH
>>102654458

I completely agree with you about their love story !! I think Emma (2020 or 1996) would be more suitable if he wants to see more of "true" period pieces and stay in the same theme with Jane Austen

Manny D.

I was having such a bad day, I am so excited for this!!!!

Love10 ❤️

Since yall watched this maybe u will like Bridgerton 👍 👌 😉 😜 lol

Ginger

😂

Ginger

Personally I think the BBC version is way better. 😋

CallingCollins

This is the best birthday surprise I've could've gotten! Thank you guys ❤

Elis

I don’t think I’ve ever felt this excited about your reactions!!!!!!! This is the best surprise you’ve ever done

important nobody

I'm so happy this was the surprise lol. Can't wait to watch it

important nobody

Also is it just me or does the oak look like a non-purple Thanos in the thumbnail?? Like if Thanos was a person and lived in this time lol

Unholy Tater

This is a classic. Great cast. Happy you've reacted to it!

important nobody
>>102662951

Its the hair I couldn't even tell who it was at first. I was like who is this guy? Then realized then realized again

Do Not Talk About Fight Club

So I have to sadly disagree with Oak on this one. In my opinion, I think western culture tends to look at love in a romantic way. “My love burns like 1,000 suns.” But it fails to see love as clearly when it’s two people that define love more on the character of a person and the morals that they own. The Western idea is more of quantity over quality. 10 dates must be equal to etc. I could be wrong, but I feel Oak might attribute “dates” as a way to find out someone's true character. But fails to see the 13-14 month period that Lizzy spent witnessing Mr Darcy’s character as similar. Not by words, but by the actions he actually did. She witnessed his ability to admit flaws, show humility, allow himself to be challenged, grow as a person, try his best to fix damage that he caused, stand up against the expectations of his family and society. But besides all of these white flags. This is a guy that literally did everything he could to save Lizzy's family name. Which would have ruined them all. Meaning society at the time could cast them into the gutter. He did this selflessly knowing it didn't mean she would say yes to him. He did this with the pain of what Mr Wickham did to his sister. Not to mention getting the situation with Lizzy’s best friend/sister back on track. Are these actions not more than spending time walking around talking about favorite books, and ideas? I could not imagine a person saving my family, my childhood home, my parents and them not being in my heart. And if they are in my heart. Is that not love? It wouldn’t need to be romantic. I would love this person none the less. So I think that's the point. I love that when they meet at the morning sunrise, they don't even kiss. It's more to be near that person that has all the qualities you’ve needed someone to be. ( especially being raised in Lizzy’s family ) Someone that can be your actual partner, and you know from their actions they have shown you that's truly who they are. I believe Twilight is a story of someone chasing the idea of love. Pride and Prejudice is the story of someone looking for a great partnership. It's just that in modern day we don't consider that love anymore. But outside of the West, that’s a lot of times what love is. Hope this was not offensive, Not coming to come at Oak or anything. Totally all love. Just I always related to Pride and Prejudice because it's always been similar to the love stories of my family in India. So I just wanted to give another perspective on how some of us view love.

Halestar

Had to pause real quick to say that every time the mom was saying "It's a pity she's not more handsome" she was talking about Elizabeth's friend Miss Lucas, the one that married Mr. Collins.

Nakia Smith

To be fair, love does not always need to be expressed romantically. I imagine that romance was a luxury back then. Miss Lucas' situation was probably a common scenario.

Anni

As a lover of both the book and the BBC miniseries, I have to say the movie cut a lot of important stuff (obviously constrained by runtime) and so compared to the other two, the movie feels rushed and the relationships feel underdeveloped. Like all y'all said, it's very beautiful to look at, well-shot, etc., and the actors did the absolute best with a script that ambitiously tried to make the language of Regency England more accessible to a modern audience, not always successfully. This movie made some very deliberate choices to ignore many of the social norms of the time that are shocking and incongruous and, I agree with the Oak, these things did result in the love story seeming undercut. For me, Darcy and Lizzie's relationship is excellent not only because they learn to see past their pride and prejudices (hello title) to fall in love, but also that especially Darcy chose over and over to prioritize that love over social propriety. Because the movie didn't have the time to include it, I think this adaptation loses a lot of that nuance. Also, I very much appreciated the Oak talking about the danger of romanticizing historical things and how limited women's options were if she wanted to stay a respectable member of society. Divorce was legal at that time (and had been since Henry VIII when he split from the Catholic Church in order to divorce his first wife Catherine of Aragon) but it was an incredibly tedious and expensive affair and although legal, heavily frowned upon in society. Sorry to ramble at y'all, I don't want this to come across like I didn't enjoy the reaction, which I very much did! I'm really glad y'all watched it and I loved how much you enjoyed that classic Jane Austen banter! Also, just a PS - cousin-marrying was completely normal at the time, so no one would have batted an eye if Lizzie had married Mr Collins or Darcy had married Lady Catherine's daughter. It was often used as a way to keep wealth within a family.

Myranda

Like I'm sure others have pointed out in the comments, to Oak's gripes, that's how courting went back then. And I used the word courting on purpose, rather than dating. They were COURTING. They say many times within this movie that they can get to know their partners after they're married, which was the mindset. You sought out to find someone that u either actually got along with or to find a good match based off of more surface level things (status, looks, money, etc). And the thing about all content from this time period is the "love" that they speak of is just strong feelings of liking them. You're right, they probably aren't "in love" in how we understand that to be, the deeper understanding of it. But back then you didn't have the time or the opportunity to REALLY fall in love with someone before marrying them. Unless it was someone maybe you've known your whole life, if you're COURTING this person that means everything has to be done either in public (like the balls) or with chaperones and usually for very short periods of time. There was never really an opportunity to be alone and REALLY get to know each other. So if you are looking for a love match with your marriage, it really just comes down to finding someone you like, rather than just someone you agree to marry. With Darcy and Elizabeth, they were intrigued and drawn to each other from the very beginning, even if both of them wanted to deny it. There's many subtle things in this movie that shows how they truly felt for each other the whole time. I mean Darcy does a double take at Elizabeth the FIRST time he ever sees her at the assembly which shows he's always been interested. But because of their pride and prejudice towards each other they both lie to themselves about how they feel about each other. But yes, it might seem like they barely know each other, which is true in today's context, but back then they actually knew each other a lot more than other couples did. They had many more interactions with one another that let each other understand and START to fall in love with who they are. So i guess it's just something you have to understand to really enjoy this movie. You have to just understand the time and realize that FOR THAT TIME, they had a much deeper understanding of each other than other people did. And Darcy fell in love with her spirit from the moment she made a dig at him not wanting to dance with her and calling her "barely tolerable". And Elizabeth began to fall for him when she saw his heart, how much he cares for the people around him and what he's willing to do to protect them. Once she knew the truth about the Wickham and Jane/Mr. Bingley situations, she saw how caring he was and how wrong she had been. So i dont think its fair to look at this love story through a modern lens and fault it for that. Cuz if you look at it through the lens of the time, I think it's a beautiful love story. Especially since finding someone you felt strongly for and actually shared similarities with was rare for couples back then. So their relationship is actually quite extraordinary for the time. -Also yes, u guys are totally right to find the comedy in this. I always joke that the novel was one of the first romantic comedies because it definitely has intentional humor in it. -And I actually really dislike oak saying that this relationship was worse than in twilight and in the notebook. Those relationships are extremely toxic, and yes the relationship in the notebook is toxic! The red flags in that are glaring. Nothing about their relationship is toxic in this. Yes they might not know each other as well as u would like but nothing about the relationship is bad. Yes, they may not have liked each other in the beginning and darcy was a little bit of a grump, but they both grow and learn from their mistakes. I mean darcy is actually a great man. He was a little rude, but he's not perfect. He professed his love to a woman, she declines, like a true gentleman he takes no for an answer and doesn't pressure her or try to manipulate her to say yes. He takes no and he leaves her. But from then on, because he genuinely cares about her, he does everything in his power to help her and make her happy. Not because he wants anything in return, but because he truly cares about her. He addresses the wickham issue, he realizes he was wrong about Jane and Charles Bingley and fixes it, and he does what he can to help her family when Lydia elopes. And he does it all simply because he cares about her, not because he's doing it to manipulate her into accepting his proposal. Obviously he still hopes she might change her mind, but that's not the reason he's doing it. The way they care about one another by the end of this is beautiful and Darcy is actually a great representation of a good honorable man. How can you call their relationship toxic. It's not even in the slightest.

Kelsey Roberts

Yikes, Oak missing the fact that more than a year had gone by with them spending time together. To suggest this is less romantic than Twilight is not only an affront to the cinematic representation, but also literature in general. Yikes. Edit: I literally teach Women's and Gender Studies at the collegiate level, so you can miss me with the modern feminism applied to historic situations. You're literally comparing apples to oranges and acting like you have something new to say.

Badd Medicine
>>102663469

No offense taken. We appreciate the different the perspectives and the conversation that can come out of it :)

Badd Medicine
>>102656947

Sorry that you're experiencing a bad day. Hopefully, this will bring a little joy to your day.

Jack's World

These thumbnails are killing me 😭 🤣 keep it up guys 👌🏻

david baye
>>102668202

More than anything I think I feel like the movie shorted us on their love story. I wanted more interaction from both of them. Even another 10-15 minutes of screen time could’ve told so much more. I’ve watched titanic countless times! I would’ve welcomed more of this story!

david baye
>>102667726

THANK YOU for bringing the insight from the book! I KNEW there had to be more!! -Oak

david baye
>>102655042

I think my emotions got the best of me with any actual comparison to Twilight! Clearly not the case! I just was hoping for more development on their story and I feel like just another 10-15 minutes if screen time could’ve given us SO much more depth! -Oak

david baye
>>102654458

I would absolutely watch Bridgerton. Some of my favorite movies are period pieces! A handful of people have commented here that the book elaborated on their love story and I just wish the movie would’ve given us more of that! - Oak

Len

This is the second time I watch this movie and I have to say, even before Oak’s commentary I thought to myself “wow the two leads interact a lot less than I remembered”. I think it’s a miss of this adaptation- a good portion of the movie is spent on the other sisters’ stories instead of focusing the two leads. I wish it did, because I love Elizabeth and Darcy’s characters and they have such great chemistry. I’m sure the novel has a lot more interactions between those two (I don’t believe it’s considered one of the best novels of all time for nothing), but unfortunately the movie didn’t quite capture that. It's still a trillion times better than Twilight tho!

Caroline Price
>>102654458

Please please please!!! You would be seriously entertained and I really think you could break it down and love it. They use modern songs and turn them into classical pieces.

Sierra Anderson

This is my favorite book and I do love the movie and I love Matthew McFayden as Darcy, however it’s always bothered me how little he talks in the movie and even how empty of emotion some of his dialogue is. He and Elizabeth actually have more interactions in the book. You get a better sense of them together in the book. But honestly given the time period, they get more time together than many other couples. People married all the time without actually knowing the person they’re joining lives with. That considered, I think Mr. Darcy and Elizabeth are quite well suited.

Kelsey Roberts
>>102668202

Then I would suggest that you read the book or watch the BBC version. All of these adaptations serve a purpose. This adaptations purpose is to be more modern and have a more Western lens placed overtop the extremely stifled romantic relationships that were popular in the time that the book was released. I still think it's problematic to apply modern feminisms to historic representations without thinking of the ways in which this novel talks about feminist theory already popular in the time. You can't say there wasn't clear distinctions between Elizabeth and Darcy's relationship and Charlotte's relationship with Mr. Collins. I just felt like your reaction was extremely hyperbolic. What is a "date" compared to the knowledge that a man single-handedly paid the equivalent of $500,000 out of his own pocket to save your sister from social ruin, just to save you from grief? I'm a modern woman, but if a man did something that significant and meaningful as an act of service, I might be willing to accept a long engagement too.

Nakia Smith

Now I wonder what Oak would think of Bridgerton. It’s enjoyable, but does feel rushed a bit.

Marco Gutierrez

I don't need to convince Oak of something he isn't interested in, but for as much as you say people romanticize the past, I think you demonize the past. Something isn't bad just because a newer concept has come along. Modern dating is a mess, specifically because we've lost out on these notions. Who you are in a marriage is a completely different person form who you are when you're single, or even dating. What's the point in "finding yourself" when you're single if that person is going to disappear when you get married? The Bible says that husband and wife will be joined and become one flesh. This illustrates the point perfectly: you are a unit in marriage. What *you* want is no longer the focus point. What matters is what's good for *us*. For the unit. That's why you're supposed to grow in a marriage. If you enter into a marriage thinking that you're already complete, then you're doing it wrong. As humans, we will never be finished. To claim that would be to become stagnant. In the past, people understood that love is something you choose, not something you feel. It's a verb for a reason. You can marry someone that modern "wisdom" would claim is completely bad for you, but you can still choose to love them because true love has nothing to do with who is receiving it: true love is all about who's giving it out. True love is selfless and unconditional. You can love your worst enemy, even as you disagree with everything they do and say. That's what we've lost with all of our modern self absorbed attitudes. I don't expect to get a response to this as I assume most people would have already checked out once they saw there were more than 140 characters to read, but I just had to get my two cents in.

Miss_CJ

Wow, was I wrong about my predictions on you guy's enjoyment of this movie! To be honest, I was extremely surprised that Answers enjoyed it so much. I'm concerned about Oak's commentary at the end and have soooo many things to talk about! And I'm sorry if my comment is extremely long but I'm very passionate about my favorite book xD You don't have to read it all but I hope it will help you guys see the value in this story. First of all, I'll have to admit that yes, the romance could've been shown better between the two in this movie and I always thought if you haven't read the novel, you might miss certain if not most details..., and to be fair, most of their interactions were cut off for the sake of the movie length. Therefore only showing a few of them that were most poignant for the audience's attention. Now, let met explain something that most people make mistake when watching this movie. Lizzie, before receiving that letter from Darcy, never entertained the idea of being romantically attracted to him. From the first night she met him, she had prejudices. And as the story went, her dislike of Darcy was only more enhanced by the bad rumors she'd hear about him, his haughty attitude (which was in fact his introvertness and the fact people were always after his fortune, making him more reserved and picky with who he'd interacted with), Mr. Wickham's lies about him, and the last straw, Darcy separating her sister and Bingley. But Lizzie was always polite nonetheless, and enjoyed 'irking' Mr.Darcy, sparring arguments with him, which only increased his interest in her. He admired her wittiness, her independence, her propensity to laugh, etc. Never any woman acted this way with him. So the fascinating part about this love story is how, without any awareness of the other's feelings before the first proposal, one was strongly enamored while the other was strongly disliking. It's all in the subtleties... As you noticed, Lizzie was always ready to spar with him, rebutting him with her comebacks ''What do you suggest to encourage affection?'', ''Dancing. Even if one is barely tolerable''. And later in the movie, Darcy takes her advice and properly asks her to dance with him. But in between those two scenes, there is actually another scene in the book, where Darcy and Lizzie which I will cut short: *** <i>(EXTRACT #1) [...] Mary, at the end of a long concerto, was glad to purchase praise and gratitude by Scotch and Irish airs, at the request of her younger sisters, who, with some of the Lucas’s and two or three officers, joined eagerly in dancing at one end of the room. <b>Mr. Darcy stood near them in silent indignation at such a mode of passing the evening</b>, to the exclusion of all conversation, and was too much engrossed by his own thoughts to perceive that Sir William Lucas was his neighbour, till Sir William thus began. ``What a charming amusement for young people this is, Mr. Darcy! -- There is nothing like dancing after all. -- I consider it as one of the first refinements of polished societies.'' ``Certainly, Sir; -- and it has the advantage also of being in vogue amongst the less polished societies of the world. -- <b>Every savage can dance.</b>'' [...] He[Sir William] paused in hopes of an answer; but his companion was not disposed to make any; and Elizabeth at that instant moving towards them, he was struck with the notion of doing a very gallant thing, and called out to her, ``My dear Miss Eliza, why are not you dancing? -- Mr. Darcy, you must allow me to present this young lady to you as a very desirable partner. -- You cannot refuse to dance, I am sure, when so much beauty is before you.'' And taking her hand, he would have given it to Mr. Darcy, who, <b>though extremely surprised, was not unwilling to receive it</b>, when she instantly drew back, and said with some discomposure to Sir William, ``Indeed, Sir, I have not the least intention of dancing. -- I entreat you not to suppose that I moved this way in order to beg for a partner.'' <b>Mr. Darcy with grave propriety requested to be allowed the honour of her hand; but in vain. </b>Elizabeth was determined; nor did Sir William at all shake her purpose by his attempt at persuasion. (END OF EXTRACT #1)</i> *** It's actually such a great scene to me because just this interaction shows how open Darcy is to know Lizzie more. Him, who looked at Lizzie’s sisters thinking how improper they were being dancing with officers at a mini soiree, was willing to take Lizzie’s hand to dance and <b>insisted</b> after her refusal, in vain. At that moment, he grew even more curious about her because, by societal standards it should have been seen as an 'honor' to be asked to dance by him, and ANY sensical woman would’ve accepted that offer from him. Such a contrast from the first night they met where he called her barely tolerable. And it's good to note (the movie shows it a bit too) how after refusing to dance with her, he started glancing at her a bit more, noticing her beauty, her posture, her eyes after every interaction. The interaction that followed between Darcy and Miss Bingley is also very interesting after Lizzie refused to dance with him, it goes like this: *** <i>(EXTRACT #2) [Miss Bingley]``I can guess the subject of your reverie.'' [Darcy]``I should imagine not.'' ``You are considering how insupportable it would be to pass many evenings in this manner -- in such society; and indeed I am quite of your opinion. I was never more annoyed! The insipidity and yet the noise; the nothingness and yet the self-importance of all these people! -- What would I give to hear your strictures on them!'' ``Your conjecture is totally wrong, I assure you. <b>My mind was more agreeably engaged. I have been meditating on the very great pleasure which a pair of fine eyes in the face of a pretty woman can bestow.</b>'' Miss Bingley immediately fixed her eyes on his face, and desired he would tell her what lady had the credit of inspiring such reflections. Mr. Darcy replied with great intrepidity, <b>``Miss Elizabeth Bennet.''</b> (END OF EXTRACT #2)</i> *** I mean, I don’t think it can be any more clear that he shows a lot of interest in Lizzie. There are many other occasions where Darcy notes that Elizabeth is in fact pretty. Like when she arrived at Netherfield's to tend to her sister: *** <i>(EXTRACT #3) She[Lizzie] was shewn into the breakfast-parlour, where all but Jane were assembled, and where her appearance created a great deal of surprise. -- That she should have walked three miles so early in the day, in such dirty weather, and by herself, was almost incredible to Mrs. Hurst and Miss Bingley; and Elizabeth was convinced that they held her in contempt for it. She was received, however, very politely by them; and in their brother's manners there was something better than politeness; there was good humour and kindness. -- <b>Mr. Darcy said very little</b>, and Mr. Hurst nothing at all. <b>The former was divided between admiration of the brilliancy which exercise had given to her complexion</b>, and doubt as to the occasion's justifying her coming so far alone. The latter was thinking only of his breakfast. [...] ``I am afraid, Mr. Darcy,'' observed Miss Bingley in a half whisper, ``that this adventure has rather affected your admiration of her fine eyes.'' <b>``Not at all,'' he replied; ``they were brightened by the exercise.''</b> (END OF EXTRACT #3)</i> *** In the movie, we only hear Miss Bingley comment on Lizzie's muddy hem but we do see Darcy looking very thoughtful. As Lizzie spends many days at Netherfields, they both have many interactions, many others but the movie only showed one, which is the main big one, or should I say a mix of a couple scenes packed in one. After his sparring with Lizzie about accomplished women and some sparring about their respective character, Darcy finds himself in grave danger: *** <i>(EXTRACT #4) ``Your examination of Mr. Darcy is over, I presume,'' said Miss Bingley; -- ``and pray what is the result?'' ``I am perfectly convinced by it that Mr. Darcy has no defect. He owns it himself without disguise.'' ``No'' -- said Darcy, ``I have made no such pretension. I have faults enough, but they are not, I hope, of understanding. My temper I dare not vouch for. -- It is I believe too little yielding -- certainly too little for the convenience of the world. I cannot forget the follies and vices of others so soon as I ought, nor their offences against myself. My feelings are not puffed about with every attempt to move them. My temper would perhaps be called resentful. -- My good opinion once lost is lost for ever.'' ``That is a failing indeed!'' -- cried Elizabeth. ``Implacable resentment is a shade in a character. But you have chosen your fault well. -- I really cannot laugh at it; you are safe from me.'' <b>``There is, I believe, in every disposition a tendency to some particular evil, a natural defect, which not even the best education can overcome.'' ``And your defect is a propensity to hate every body.'' ``And yours,'' he replied with a smile, ``is wilfully to misunderstand them.''</b> ``Do let us have a little music,'' -- cried Miss Bingley, tired of a conversation in which she had no share. -- ``Louisa, you will not mind my waking Mr. Hurst.'' Her sister made not the smallest objection, and the piano-forte was opened, and <b>Darcy, after a few moments recollection, was not sorry for it. He began to feel the danger of paying Elizabeth too much attention.</b> (END OF EXTRACT #4) </i> *** I think here you can notice how Darcy is enjoying this back and forth between him and Elizabeth, even offering a smile. It’s only after Miss Bingley (out of jealousy) decided to interrupt. After that, in the movie, you guys noticed the emphasis about Darcy’s hand. Darcy holding Lizzie's hand when she climbed the carriage never actually happened in the book. In fact, at that moment, in the book, Darcy decided to ignore Elizabeth, as she started to trouble him too much for his liking: *** <i>(EXTRACT #5) To Mr. Darcy it was welcome intelligence -- <b>Elizabeth had been at Netherfield long enough. She attracted him more than he liked -- and Miss Bingley was uncivil to her, and more teasing than usual to himself. He wisely resolved to be particularly careful that no sign of admiration should now escape him, nothing that could elevate her with the hope of influencing his felicity; sensible that if such an idea had been suggested, his behaviour during the last day must have material weight in confirming or crushing it.</b> Steady to his purpose, he scarcely spoke ten words to her through the whole of Saturday, and though they were at one time left by themselves for half an hour, he adhered most conscientiously to his book, and would not even look at her. (END OF EXTRACT #5)</i> *** So if you notice the phrases I highlighted above, Darcy is convinced that Lizzie might have misunderstood their interaction for courting. Because in HIS mind, although he doesn’t really want to admit, he opened himself up, just like he would do when courting. And he doesn’t want to get her hopes up. In fact, this shows a little bit of arrogance from him if you think about it. His pride in who he is, indicates he is aware of being a great suitor, that it is EXPECTED she would fall for him if he interacts with her too much, that she might expect a proposal. It’s a bit of a projection of his own feelings to close that door between them, to try and shut the infatuation, and ignore her. He misread Lizzie so blatantly wrong that he believes they have to distance themselves a little bit. Lizzie never entertained such feelings for him there. I think the movie did the hand thing to show Darcy's internal turmoil. At this point in the story, he is starting to become very infatuated with her. While on the other hand, Elizabeth gets more prejudiced towards him, but keep polite interactions. There are MANY scenes where they interact similarly. The movie could only show so much. The whole point of this story is to highlight pride and prejudices. Which all lead to that first proposal and here I highlighted some key phrases: *** <i>[EXTRACT #5] Cut short Darcy: In vain I have struggled. It will not do! My feelings will not be repressed. You must allow me to tell you how ardently I admire and love you. In declaring myself thus I’m <b>fully aware that I will be going against the wishes of my family, my friends, and, I hardly need add, my own better judgement</b> <b>The relative situation of our families is such that any alliance between us must be regarded as a highly reprehensible connection.</b> Indeed as a rational man I cannot regard it as such myself, but it cannot be helped. Almost from the earliest moments of our aquaintance I have come to feel for you passionate admiration and regard, [which despite of my struggles, has overcome every rational objection]. I beg you, most fervently, to [relieve my suffering] and consent to be my wife. Elizabeth’s polite response: In such cases as these, I believe the established mode is to express a sense of obligation. But I cannot. I have never desired your good opinion, and you have certainly bestowed it most unwillingly. I’m sorry to cause pain to anyone, but it was most unconsciously one, and, I hope, will be short of duration. Darcy: And this is all the reply I am to expect? I might wonder why, <b>with so little effort and civility</b>, I and rejected. (*Here Darcy feels offended by the rejection, his Pride taking the blow* Another extract to come, which happens at the end of the novel*) Elizabeth: And I might wonder why, with so evident a desire to offend and insult me you chose to tell me that you like me against your will, against your reason, and even against your character! Was this not some excuse for incivility if I was uncivil? <b>I have every reason in the world to think ill of you. Do you think any consideration would tempt me to accept the man who as been the means of ruining the happiness of a most beloved sister?</b> Can you deny that you have done it? Darcy: I have no wish to deny it. I did everything in my power to separate my friend from your sister, <b>and rejoice in my success. Towards him I have been kinder than towards myself.</b> Elizabeth: But it’s not merely that on which my dislike of you is founded. <b>Long before it had taken place, my dislike of you was decided when I heard Mr. Wickham’s story of your dealings with him.</b> How can you defend yourself on that subject? Darcy: You take an eager interest in that gentleman’s concerns! Elizabeth: Who that knows what his misfortunes have been can help feeling an interest in him? Darcy: His misfortunes! Yes, his misfortunes have been great indeed! Elizabeth: <b>And of your infliction! You have reduced him to his present state of poverty, and yet you can treat his misfortunes with comtempt and ridicule!</b> Darcy: <b>And this is your opinion of me? My faults by this calculation are heavy indeed, but perhaps these offences might have been overlooked, had not your pride been hurt by the honest confession of the scruptles that had long prevented my forming any serious design on you, had I concealed my struggles and flattered you.</b> But disguise of every sort is abhorrence. Nor am I ashamed of the feelings I related. <b>They were natural and just, could you expect me to rejoice in the inferiority of your connections? To congratulate myself on the hope of relations whose condition in life is so decedly below my own?</b> Elizabeth: You are mistaken, Mr Darcy. <b>The mode of your declaration merely spared me any concern I might have felt in refusing you had you behaved in a more gentleman-like manner. You could not have made the offer of your hand in any possible way that would have tempted me to accept it. From the very beginning, your manners impressed me with the fullest belief of your arrogance, your conceit, and your selfish disdain for the feelings of others. I had know you a month before I felt you were the last man in the world whom I could ever marry!</b> Darcy: You have said quite enough, madam. I perfectly comprehend your feelings and now have only to be ashamed of what my own have been. Please forgive me for having taken up your time and accept my best wishes for your health and happiness. (END OF EXTRACT #5)</i> *** They are both right in their feelings, are angry and need some time to digest what've been said. ONLY after receiving that letter from Darcy and reading it many MANY times does Elizabeth let go of her prejudices towards him and sees how wrong she’d been about him. Her, who praised herself in knowing how to judge character reasonably, realized how foolish she'd been. She feels guilt, and recalls the past few months with new eyes, new understanding. A few months later, she travels with her aunt and uncle to the mountains but they decide to make a stop at Pemberley (Darcy’s house) to visit the gardens. Which Lizzie only really accepts because she’s been told that the occupants weren’t there. While visiting, one of the maid talks about the family and how everyone loves Darcy just like his father before. Everyone working for him has a lot of respect for him and the opinion of the people who’s known him since he was a child overshadows the bad opinion of people elsewhere. It is said that he is a good master and an even greater brother to his little sister Georgiana, whom he had to take care of after the death of his father. Their meeting meeting again, with different eyes was different in the book: *** <i>(EXTRACT #6) As they walked across the lawn towards the river, Elizabeth turned back to look again; her uncle and aunt stopped also, and while the former was conjecturing as to the date of the building, the owner of it himself suddenly came forward from the road, which led behind it to the stables. They were within twenty yards of each other, and so abrupt was his appearance, that it was impossible to avoid his sight. <b>Their eyes instantly met, and the cheeks of each were overspread with the deepest blush. He absolutely started, and for a moment seemed immoveable from surprise; but shortly recovering himself, advanced towards the party, and spoke to Elizabeth, if not in terms of perfect composure, at least of perfect civility.</b> She had instinctively turned away; but, stopping on his approach, received his compliments with an embarrassment impossible to be overcome. Had his first appearance, or his resemblance to the picture they had just been examining, been insufficient to assure the other two that they now saw Mr. Darcy, the gardener's expression of surprise on beholding his master must immediately have told it. They stood a little aloof while he was talking to their niece, who, astonished and confused, scarcely dared lift her eyes to his face, and knew not what answer she returned to his civil enquiries after her family. <b>Amazed at the alteration in his manner since they last parted, every sentence that he uttered was increasing her embarrassment; and every idea of the impropriety of her being found there recurring to her mind, the few minutes in which they continued together were some of the most uncomfortable of her life. Nor did he seem much more at ease; when he spoke, his accent had none of its usual sedateness; and he repeated his enquiries as to the time of her having left Longbourn, and of her stay in Derbyshire, so often, and in so hurried a way, as plainly spoke the distraction of his thoughts.</b> […] Mrs. Gardiner was standing a little behind; and on her pausing, <b>he asked her if she would do him the honour of introducing him to her friends. This was a stroke of civility for which she was quite unprepared; and she could hardly suppress a smile at his being now seeking the acquaintance of some of those very people against whom his pride had revolted, in his offer to herself.</b> ``What will be his surprise,'' thought she, ``when he knows who they are! He takes them now for people of fashion.'' <b>The introduction, however, was immediately made; and as she named their relationship to herself, she stole a sly look at him, to see how he bore it; and was not without the expectation of his decamping as fast as he could from such disgraceful companions. That he was surprised by the connection was evident; he sustained it however with fortitude, and so far from going away, turned back with them, and entered into conversation with Mr. Gardiner. Elizabeth could not but be pleased, could not but triumph. It was consoling that he should know she had some relations for whom there was no need to blush.</b> […] The conversation soon turned upon fishing, and she heard <b>Mr. Darcy invite him, with the greatest civility, to fish there as often as he chose while he continued in the neighbourhood, offering at the same time to supply him with fishing tackle, and pointing out those parts of the stream where there was usually most sport.</b> Mrs. Gardiner, who was walking arm in arm with Elizabeth, gave her a look expressive of her wonder. Elizabeth said nothing, but it gratified her exceedingly; the compliment must be all for herself. Her astonishment, however, was extreme; and continually was she repeating, <b>``Why is he so altered? From what can it proceed? It cannot be for me, it cannot be for my sake that his manners are thus softened. My reproofs at Hunsford could not work such a change as this. It is impossible that he should still love me.'’</b> (END OF EXTRACT #6)</i> *** Both are obviously very flustered upon meeting again. And Darcy seems like a new man. He took Lizzie’s comments to heart and tries to appeal to people who are important to her. *** <i>(EXTRACT #7) When she saw him thus seeking the acquaintance and courting the good opinion of people, with whom any intercourse a few months ago would have been a disgrace; when she saw him thus civil, not only to herself, but to the very relations whom he had openly disdained, and recollected their last lively scene in Hunsford Parsonage, the difference, the change was so great, and struck so forcibly on her mind, that she could hardly restrain her astonishment from being visible. Never, even in the company of his dear friends at Netherfield, or his dignified relations at Rosings, had she seen him so desirous to please, so free from self-consequence or unbending reserve </i> (END OF EXTRACT #7) And after inviting Lizzie to meet his sister, and see Bingley and his sister again, THIS conversation happened between Darcy and Caroline Bingley: *** <i>(EXTRACT #8) ``How very ill Eliza Bennet looks this morning, Mr. Darcy,'' she cried; ``I never in my life saw any one so much altered as she is since the winter. She is grown so brown and coarse! Louisa and I were agreeing that we should not have known her again.'' <b>However little Mr. Darcy might have liked such an address, he contented himself with coolly replying that he perceived no other alteration than her being rather tanned -- no miraculous consequence of travelling in the summer.</b> (*Darcy feeling protective over Lizzie :3) ``For my own part,'' she rejoined, ``I must confess that I never could see any beauty in her. Her face is too thin; her complexion has no brilliancy; and her features are not at all handsome. Her nose wants character; there is nothing marked in its lines. Her teeth are tolerable, but not out of the common way; and as for her eyes, which have sometimes been called so fine, I never could perceive any thing extraordinary in them. They have a sharp, shrewish look, which I do not like at all; and in her air altogether, there is a self-sufficiency without fashion which is intolerable.'' Persuaded as Miss Bingley was that Darcy admired Elizabeth, this was not the best method of recommending herself; but angry people are not always wise; and in seeing him at last look somewhat nettled, she had all the success she expected. He was resolutely silent however; and, from a determination of making him speak she continued, ``I remember, when we first knew her in Hertfordshire, how amazed we all were to find that she was a reputed beauty; and I particularly recollect your saying one night, after they had been dining at Netherfield, "She a beauty! -- I should as soon call her mother a wit." But afterwards she seemed to improve on you, and I believe you thought her rather pretty at one time.'' <b>``Yes,'' replied Darcy, who could contain himself no longer, ``but that was only when I first knew her, for it is many months since I have considered her as one of the handsomest women of my acquaintance.''</b> He then went away, and Miss Bingley was left to all the satisfaction of having forced him to say what gave no one any pain but herself. (END OF EXTRACT #8)</i> *** This scene proving that Darcy’s feelings towards Elizabeth haven’t changed the slightest. And instead of being his prideful self, tries to better himself as a man, tries to appeal to Lizzie. He’s taken to heart everything she’d accused him of and tries to become a more agreeable man. And obviously there are more scenes between them but this comment is getting way too long and I want to get to the most important part. So let’s jump after Lydia’s patched up marriage with Wickham and before/after Bingley’s proposal to Jane. Both Darcy and Bingley spend a lot of time at the Bennet’s house, contrary to the movie where Darcy leaves. Mrs Bennet, who despises Darcy very much asks Lizzie to occupy him so his broodiness is out of the way. This gives Darcy the opportunity to proposes to Lizzie once more. Both Darcy and Lizzie are amused by that because they get to enjoy each other’s company for a few days. Literally COURTING each other (YES!, it does happen in the book Oak 😉 ), here are a few extracts: *** <i>(EXTRACT #9) ``Mr. Darcy, I am a very selfish creature; and, for the sake of giving relief to my own feelings, care not how much I may be wounding your's. I can no longer help thanking you for your unexampled kindness to my poor sister. Ever since I have known it, I have been most anxious to acknowledge to you how gratefully I feel it. Were it known to the rest of my family, I should not have merely my own gratitude to express.'' ``I am sorry, exceedingly sorry,'' replied Darcy, in a tone of surprise and emotion, ``that you have ever been informed of what may, in a mistaken light, have given you uneasiness. I did not think Mrs. Gardiner was so little to be trusted.'' ``You must not blame my aunt. Lydia's thoughtlessness first betrayed to me that you had been concerned in the matter; and, of course, I could not rest till I knew the particulars. Let me thank you again and again, in the name of all my family, for that generous compassion which induced you to take so much trouble, and bear so many mortifications, for the sake of discovering them.'' ``If you will thank me,'' he replied, ``let it be for yourself alone. That the wish of giving happiness to you might add force to the other inducements which led me on, I shall not attempt to deny. But your family owe me nothing. Much as I respect them, I believe I thought only of you.'' Elizabeth was too much embarrassed to say a word. After a short pause, her companion added, ``You are too generous to trifle with me. If your feelings are still what they were last April, tell me so at once. My affections and wishes are unchanged, but one word from you will silence me on this subject for ever.'' Elizabeth, feeling all the more than common awkwardness and anxiety of his situation, now forced herself to speak; and immediately, though not very fluently, gave him to understand that her sentiments had undergone so material a change, since the period to which he alluded, as to make her receive with gratitude and pleasure his present assurances. The happiness which this reply produced, was such as he had probably never felt before; and <b>he expressed himself on the occasion as sensibly and as warmly as a man violently in love can be supposed to do. Had Elizabeth been able to encounter his eye, she might have seen how well the expression of heartfelt delight, diffused over his face, became him; but, though she could not look, she could listen, and he told her of feelings, which, in proving of what importance she was to him, made his affection every moment more valuable.</b> […] Darcy mentioned his letter. ``Did it,'' said he, ``did it soon make you think better of me? Did you, on reading it, give any credit to its contents?'' She explained what its effect on her had been, and how gradually all her former prejudices had been removed. ``I knew,'' said he, ``that what I wrote must give you pain, but it was necessary. I hope you have destroyed the letter. There was one part especially, the opening of it, which I should dread your having the power of reading again. I can remember some expressions which might justly make you hate me.'' ``The letter shall certainly be burnt, if you believe it essential to the preservation of my regard; but, though we have both reason to think my opinions not entirely unalterable, they are not, I hope, quite so easily changed as that implies.'' ``When I wrote that letter,'' replied Darcy, ``I believed myself perfectly calm and cool, but I am since convinced that it was written in a dreadful bitterness of spirit.'' ``The letter, perhaps, began in bitterness, but it did not end so. The adieu is charity itself. <b>But think no more of the letter. The feelings of the person who wrote, and the person who received it, are now so widely different from what they were then, that every unpleasant circumstance attending it ought to be forgotten. You must learn some of my philosophy. Think only of the past as its remembrance gives you pleasure.''</b> ``I cannot give you credit for any philosophy of the kind. Your retrospections must be so totally void of reproach, that the contentment arising from them is not of philosophy, but, what is much better, of innocence. But with me, it is not so. Painful recollections will intrude which cannot, which ought not, to be repelled. I have been a selfish being all my life, in practice, though not in principle. As a child I was taught what was right, but I was not taught to correct my temper. I was given good principles, but left to follow them in pride and conceit. Unfortunately an only son (for many years an only child), I was spoilt by my parents, who, though good themselves (my father, particularly, all that was benevolent and amiable), allowed, encouraged, almost taught me to be selfish and overbearing; to care for none beyond my own family circle; to think meanly of all the rest of the world; to wish at least to think meanly of their sense and worth compared with my own. <b>Such I was, from eight to eight and twenty; and such I might still have been but for you, dearest, loveliest Elizabeth! What do I not owe you! You taught me a lesson, hard indeed at first, but most advantageous. By you, I was properly humbled. I came to you without a doubt of my reception. You shewed me how insufficient were all my pretensions to please a woman worthy of being pleased.''</b> <b>``Had you then persuaded yourself that I should?'' ``Indeed I had. What will you think of my vanity? I believed you to be wishing, expecting my addresses.''</b> ``My manners must have been in fault, but not intentionally, I assure you. I never meant to deceive you, but my spirits might often lead me wrong. How you must have hated me after that evening?'' ``Hate you! I was angry perhaps at first, but my anger soon began to take a proper direction.'' […] Lizzie: ``I am almost afraid of asking what you thought of me, when we met at Pemberley. You blamed me for coming?'' ``No indeed; I felt nothing but surprise.'' ``Your surprise could not be greater than mine in being noticed by you. My conscience told me that I deserved no extraordinary politeness, and I confess that I did not expect to receive more than my due.'' <b>``My object then,'' replied Darcy, ``was to shew you, by every civility in my power, that I was not so mean as to resent the past; and I hoped to obtain your forgiveness, to lessen your ill opinion, by letting you see that your reproofs had been attended to. How soon any other wishes introduced themselves I can hardly tell, but I believe in about half an hour after I had seen you.''</b> (END OF EXTRACT #9) </i> *** ANYWAY!!!! This comment is far to long and you shall excuse me for that but I hope this opened Oak’s eyes, and that he can now see the value in this romance. Oak pointing out that it’s not in the least romantic really missed the whole point x) I'm not holding it against you tho. It's completely fair opinion. Like I said, it's important to know the first half of the story is filled with the characters' flaws while the second part is all about character growth and healthy understabding. If the relationship didn’t start well, it ended on the best note possible. The character’s growth, the lessons, the humbleness, the subtleties and nuances…everything is done so perfectly in my eyes. In that era, isn’t it romantic for two people to humble themselves, accept they were wrong, look each other with new eyes and genuinely fall in love? To ignore society's standards or ranks? To look at each other with respect and understanding? Is it not love to go out of your way, to secretly help the family of a woman so dear to your heart, without wanting her to even know about it? Patching up and paying for a marriage between Lydia and Wickham, which he has no obligation to do? Is it not love to accept he was wrong about separating his friend and the sister and to remediate to the situation, fixing his mistakes? The first proposal was a clumsy proposal based on societal standards while the second proposal was actually pure love and longing. Note that in the book, there are no kisses and I still believe this is one of the best romance to ever be written. I listen to the audiobook all the time (I recommend the version read by Rosamund Pike, absolute gem of narration) The more you read it, the more you notice and appreciate all the subtleties between the characters. I’m so glad Mason and Answer enjoyed this movie! I would even recommend the mini series (6 episodes), which is a closer adaptation to the novel. Although I don’t really care for the casting except for Colin Firth, and the setting is a bit more serious, it’s still very good!

Jennifer K

Yessssssss just saw this

Ginger

I will challenge Oak’s argument on one thing. The Oak saying Lizzie and Mr. Darcy didn’t spend enough time getting to know each other, though the movie shows she spent lengthy amounts of time in the same house as him. Oak then saying it wasn’t shown on screen, therefore doesn’t count. But then saying Jane and Bingley had a better love story when their on screen romance was practically non existent compared to Lizzie and Darcy. So that was an incredibly weak point imo. But I would agree that I don’t think this movie portrays a very good love story. But the movie is called pride and prejudice and shows how peoples pride and prejudice affects relationships, so I see the movie as more of a social commentary and not as much of a love story. 😎

Chael

The British Broadcasting Network version from 1995 (I believe) with Colin Firth playing Darcy is the superior version that is on par with the book which I re-read once a year but this one is still quite enjoyable to me & the cast is amazing.

Badd Medicine
>>102682111

That's a good call out. And tv/movies hit is all different too. Always interesting to see what emotion might get pulled out.

Badd Medicine
>>102668072

Can't speak on what Oaks thoughts completely, but I think he wanted more interaction between Elizabeth and Darcy (I could be wrong) tv/movies do hit everyone differently. I see some good points here you brought up. Glad we are getting different perspectives.

Marco Gutierrez
>>102679870

If I had a way to donate extra money to you guys, I really would. I don't know if you get this a lot, but the amount of engagement coming from ya'll is truly fantastic. You make everyone feel like their thoughts are heard, and I think that really means a lot. Thanks for being awesome guys.

Badd Medicine
>>102679870

No need 😁 we appreciate the support and we try to be as interactive as much as we can 🤜🤛

Angelina

Lmao the romance of Twilight was based off/inspired by Pride & Prejudice, Oak 🤣 I definitely agree that the issues of their romance are due to the time period. In the book, there is certainly more fleshed out. Fair points about the courtship though. Bride & Prejudice is the Bollywood version of this story and fleshes out the love story beats more. Pride & Prejudice & Zombies even puts their love story at the front and contextualizes flawlessly in a world of zombies. The book was originally called “First Impressions” and paved way for one of the first times is “Enemies to Lovers” trope, groundbreaking for being published by a woman for one of the first times without a male pen-name, and at the center are lessons about interpersonal relationships. Also, it’s a story mirroring her (Jane Austen) own tragic romance, but wanted to give her characters happy endings.

Camila Cruz

I read the book. The movie stay true the book. For me was like I watch the movie and after read the book and get a sense of details from the story, but the essence is in the movie. Super happy that you guys watched. I love your videos! ❤️❤️

Lafawnduh!

Haha, what a great surprise! This made my day^^ Never thought you guys would watch Pride and Prejudice; one of my all-time favorite love stories. Thank you for a great reaction, I have so much fun watching movies together with you guys and listening to your opinions and thoughts afterward! I can see Oak’s point. Being very familiar with the story, I often fail to notice their lack of screen time in the movie, because I think the actors make up for a lot with their great acting and the chemistry between the characters. However, if I remember correctly, they leave out quite a bit of the dialogue from the book, rather focusing on the mood and aesthetics. Their love story is more detailed in the book as well as the mini series😊 Elizabeth values her independence and is always frank and unpretentious, which are exactly the qualities that Mr. Darcy grows to admire in her. Elizabeth is prejudiced toward Mr. Darcy because of his pride, and although he is humbled by his interaction with her, she also comes to admire him for his willingness to own up to his mistakes and his kindness and selflessness towards those he cares for. I think their love is based on mutual respect as well as admiration for each other's good qualities. Another thing that might not have been so clear in the movie, is that Lydia running away was a very big deal in those days. Just being alone in a room with a man could be detrimental for a young woman. Since Lydia didn’t have any money, they knew Wickham wouldn’t marry her, meaning he was just playing around with her. Running away with a man meant that you would be considered “damaged goods” – a fallen woman - meaning that everyone would look down on you and both you and your family would be shunned from society (meaning that all of the sisters would lose their chances at respectable marriages as well). The only way to make things better would be to force Wickham to marry Lydia (of course, she only eloped with him because she thought he meant to marry her in the first place), which he would never do without a lot of money. This is why Elizabeth is so grateful to Mr. Darcy for saving Lydia. He spent a lot of effort finding their whereabouts and spent a lot of money to make Wickham marry Lydia. All this without expecting anything in return. While Lydia will probably have an unhappy marriage, she can still live a comfortable life, without being spurned by society.

Miss_CJ
>>102689933

I would agree that the movie stays true to the book but they did cut very important interactions between Darcy and Lizzie. But what I love the most about this movie specifically is the cinematography, the shots, and the beautiful OST. ❤️

Grandma’s4GreatReacts

Willing Suspension of Disbelief! You cannot watch a movie derived from the 19th century and try to ascribe 20th century mores and folkways to it. I knew that Jane Austen would present somewhat of a problem…especially with the Oak. This comes about with almost every movie…I was happy that there wasn’t a lot of talking across the movie about stuff that had nothing to do with the movie…so I for one was grateful for that. I think the message has been given by all of the LONG comments ahead of ours. Let me end by saying that I really do appreciate you guys thinking about those of us who recommended this movie. You didn’t have to go back and pick it up but you did and that makes up for the Oak! Thank you Badd Medicine for showing something with some depth. Thank you

Trish

Great reaction guys! Thanks for the surprise. Love this movie. I gotta disagree with Oak though. I like the more subtle nature of their love story. Then again my love language is acts of service so maybe that’s why this movie appeals to me. I definitely see how you would want more interaction though. I think with time constraints and wanting to have more social commentary there just wasn’t enough room for more. As for the time period stuff, I think this actually goes against the norm with Lizzie’s characterization and how they both went against expectations. If Lizzie ended up having to marry her cousin that would have fit more with how the past really was. I liked hearing all your takes on it. The Twilight comparison killed me though. Not that toxic mess 😆. I mean isn’t that an argument against having more time with your couple in a movie?! I think the relationship here is pretty healthy. They have misunderstandings but they don’t get together until they resolve them. And Mr Darcy helps her with no expectations or even wanting any recognition. Then he gives her space to make her own decision.

Badd Medicine
>>102690687

Thank you. Good point. TV/movies hit everyone differently. Still a very intriguing film and story.

Badd Medicine
>>102691824

Gotta agree ... Twilight was a reach there😂🤷‍♂️ and good call outs here too! I didn't even think of how some would look through their love language. Thanks for that perspective 🤙

Sarah
>>102643463

There is a lot of stuff left out for the sake of timing and condensing into a movie. The essence of the book come through but like with most books turned into movies, there is so much more in the book that gives you a better understanding of the characters and relationships. The one big things I don't think this version show as well are the passage of time (around a year) and the amount of time Darcy and Elizabeth are around each other. Still, one of my favorite movies.

Chelsea Lynn
>>102691824

I totally agree about the love language thing! This is my favorite movie and acts of service is my love language as well.

Jessie

Loved this reaction guys and really enjoyed the discussion at the end. I think everyone was making great arguments all around for and against it, and nothing Oak said was wrong about why this was a super rushed romance. They really didn't take much time to get to know each other. I do think it's valid to remember that marriage was a very important thing at that time though, almost necessary for "lower status" women who needed that support for their livelihood, and like Oak mentioned, there really wasn't much else they could do at that time. So I think everyone was just jumping into married as quickly as possible then. I love the "Twilight was a better love story" line 😂😂😂 entertaining as always. Thanks guys!

Mariah Lovegood

At the beginning of the week I was so hoping the surprise would be Pride and Prejudice. I have had such a tough week and I am excited to start my weekend off with one of my favorite movies with you guys. Let's Go!

☻Shell🎔⋆˚🐾˖°

Tbf it was definitely different times. Men were more important than women. But in the book? It's like? In many cases, there were arranged marriages. The Bennet's are middle class. Darcy and Bingley are upper class. Lizzie does stay quite a few days at Bingley's house whilst Jane is sick, where Darcy is so? It's longer than 5 meetings lol. There wasn't dates, there was dances, or dinners, and the men got to know the fathers first, that's how they 'dated' then. And? Look at it as? Darcy is actually shy and an introvert. Lizzie is bold and wild, an extrovert. And ones who come from money? Family standing was everything. If you want to judge toxic? Wuthering heights. Tom Hardy starred in a good version of it, that's as toxic as it gets. This was a story of love at first sight and a good insight how thing's were then. All 5 girls had been introduced into society. Even the younger ones. The eldest usually was first, then married, and it would go down the line to the next so to speak. In high society? All 5 daughters in society at once was a no-no and it was clear just how money hungry Mrs Bennet is, and how uncommonly laid back Mr Bennet is, letting the girls (and his wife) almost run wild. The upper class didn't understand that kind of structure. Compared to Wuthering heights? They are like night and day lol Lizzie realises Darcy, though it took a while, was right about her family and understood it, and I think that changes her outlook too, especially when he saves their reputation regarding Lydia and Wickham. Reputations were everything back then, and that for her solidified her feeling's. Darcy literally saved them from ruin. Making the younger girls able to marry someone with a good reputation, without social scandal, and paying Wickham to marry Lydia. He was eventually Lizzie's hero. Jane Eyre, Wuthering heights, They are darker, more gothic, by the Bronte sisters. Worth a watch imo all are set in England. Ciarán Hinds (Steppenwolf in justice league and Aberforth, in Harry Potter) and Samantha Morton, the evil mother to Credence in Fantastic beasts are the main characters in Jane Eyre, 1997 version or there's a later version with Michael Fassbender, Mia Wasikowska and Judy Dench as well - great reaction guys loved the debate lol but I love History and reading and Historical/Period dramas are a good way to learn and appreciate what we have now, compared in some ways.

Graham F

I loved the reaction! I also loved the different opinions!

Mariah Lovegood

I think Oak's point were fair. I listen to the book a couple times a year and usually watch the mini series adaptation with Colin Firth. This is the first time watching this adaptation in a few years and it reminds me why I watch the mini series. I have the same issues as Oak. The book has like 5 times the interactions and shows the progression from enemies to lovers. While it's not the first, it is the first popular and best selling enemies to lovers story out there. They can't date back then as it is improper for an unmarried man and woman to be alone together. Lizzy and Darcy do have a lot more conversations and do go on walks togetger. Also brushed over quickly in this adaptation is Lydia and Wickam eloping being so immoral because they lived together for weeks before marriage and Wickam clearly didn't intend to marry her he just wanted to sleep with her. I do not romantize this time period but I do love this book. I do not wish to live in this time period. I do wish to find a partner that values my wit and personality and that challenges me to be better and that I challenge to become better the way Lizzy and Darcy are together.

Lena Herbert

PRIDE AND PREJUDICE AND ZOMBIES. Mostly because the first proposal rendition in that version is my favorite. And now you guys will have more context and understanding going into it. Also, if you guys haven’t seen MALEFICENT 1 and 2, you’re missing out!

Miss_CJ
>>102705700

You're right, it is very improper for unmarried man and woman to be alone together. It's actually a little bit brought up with the whole Lydia and Wickham situation. They ran away together. If they didn't marry, it would've brought shame on all the Bennet's family, ruining the chances for the other sisters to find a husband (because of the bad reputation forced upon them). And when you look at the scene in the movie, after Lizzie leaves with her uncle and aunt in a hurry, Lizzie is crying, is devastated not only because of the news from her sister but because this ruined the new hopes she'd felt towards Darcy of him possibly still liking her. While at Pemberley, she started to really like him, and now, because of her sister, all her chances to be with him are ruined.

Lena Herbert
>>102724161

Also, if you like Matthew MacFadyen in this, I love him in the 2011 Three Musketeers movie, which also has Orlando Bloom, Christoph Waltz from James Bond and Django, Milla Jovovich from 5th Element and Resident Evil, and Luke Evans from the Hobbit. Really wish they had made more because its so fun. Cheesy, but fun.

Mariah Lovegood
>>102705700

Yes Lizzy truly thinks that she has lost any hope of Darcy renewing his affections towards her after Lydia ran off because remember Darcy said his good opinion once lost is lost forever. How could Lydia's action not loss Darcy's good opinion in those times. Her fears of this are highlighted by Lady Catherine coming to see her and the things she said even after Lydia actually got married. This adaptation is gorgeous and well acted but really rushes the beautiful story from the book. Of course I don't expect Badd Machine to watch the mini series for the channel but if Oak had seen them I think he wouldn't have all the criticisms and definitely would not say Twilight is better.

Lena Herbert
>>102724161

Also, it wasn’t mentioned in the reaction but the other hunger games actor in this is the actor who played Lydia. She played Johanna, one of the tributes. And another adaptation of a Jane Austen book made in the same vein as this is EMMA (2020). Just as funny.

Lisa Bahre

Love that you still ended up watching this one! I like this movie but am partial to the mini series with Colin Firth - you get more of the story. Listening to you all discuss the dialogue in the film made me think of Downton Abbey. Period pieces that are done extremely well tend to have some excellent dialogue and great character development. I think that is what draws me to a lot of these period pieces, both movies and series/shows.

Camila Cruz

The movie Becoming Jane shows a little more of this universe from Pride and Prejudice because it shows why Jane Austin wrote this book and tells a little more about her history. I think you guys will like to see it.

boosuli

I'd actually be interested in you guys reviewing The Notebook now, bc my husband and I love to reference that movie for toxic relationship behaviour LOL. And it's been 20 years of me laughing at it (it's basically my "Twilight" I love to make fun of). But I'd genuinely like to hear what people like about it, maybe I've been missing a really good angle! Anyway great video guys! I love both this movie and the 1995 miniseries, but I also think it's bc I already loved the book when I watched them, so Austen-tinted glasses are talking here. I will say the relationship is much better fleshed out in the book, so I can understand fresh eyes not enjoying the pacing of this movie.

boosuli
>>102836762

Fun fact in response to something Oak said too: Lizzie Bennett is supposed to be less "classically" beautiful (whilst her sister Jane is physically angelic and gorgeous), and her appeal comes from her wit and verbal sparring. When the casting director recommended Keira Knightley, Jo Wright was reluctant bc he thought she was "too hot" for the role after seeing her in the Pirates films. But when Keira came in, he took a look at her and said something like "OH! So you don't always look like that, you'll do just fine".

Taylor Bjelland

So quick clarification, the red headed girl was Bingley's sister and liked Darcy. Love y'alls reactions!!!

bits
>>102663469

Beautifully said. Even from a western perspective, I heard what Oak said and respectfully disagreed. It may be seeing it from a women's perspective but imo she definitely knew who he was and vice versa by the end.

diamond frazier

Hey just to point out since you guy said president snow, the little sister who marries wickham plays Johanna in catching fire

Heathwitch

Great reaction! This is one of my favourite movies, because it's just so well shot and I adore the soundtrack. With regard to the novel, Jane Austen was known to use satire to make fun of the social expectation of her day -- mainly, the pressure for women to get married (and marry into money). She uses this in all her work. You may be interested in watching Sense and Sensibility, which stars the late, great Alan Rickman in one of the roles. The screenplay for that was written by Dame Emma Thompson, who also stars. As a side note, when Lizzie visits Derbyshire with her aunt and uncle, you guys had me howling with your safety concerns whilst she was standing on the rocks. That's actually Stanage Edge, part of where I live (the High Peak, UK). The house that was used for Pemberley in this movie is actually Chatsworth House, which is also just down the road. I am very lucky to live in such a beautiful part of the world. :) And yes, Answer -- WIFI can be a bit difficult depending on where you are in the High Peak!

Heathwitch
>>103142862

Also! If you liked Brenda Blethyn in this, she's also in the comedy Saving Grace, which is a bit of a cult classic here in the UK. She plays a widow who has been left with a massive amount of debt, and decides to get out of it by growing some questionable forms of plants... ;) Highly recommended!

Jay

Great reactions! Can appreciate Oak's sentiments. The characters live the appearance of a beautiful society, but for me at the same time it feels like a dystopia where human desire is strictly controlled. Good for Elizabeth Bennet for getting the top engagement - although it still feels kind of troubling that everything only happens within repressive marriage traditions. ✅ If Badd Medicine ever wants to give period drama romance another go, may I offer "Little Women" ( 2019 ) - a movie that encourages 👍 viewers to have diverse reactions when exploring its themes ❓🤔❓ - such as : What is your interpretation of the events at the end ? ... Why is the movie doing this ? ... What does the ending stimulate in your mental and emotional movie-watching experience ? ( ❗️ Very important note : it's the 2019 version, and * not * the 2022 / 2021 / 2018 / 2017 / 2000 / 1994 / 1987 / 1978 / 1970 / 1958 / 1950 / 1949 / 1946 / 1939 / 1933 / 1918 / 1917 versions. If in doubt, please check that it's directed by Greta Gerwig, and stars Saoirse Ronan, Emma Watson, Florence Pugh, Laura Dern, Timothée Chalamet and Meryl Streep. )

Roxanne LIL CRIP Kemmerer

While I fully understand Oak's feelings about romanticizing these period piece type love stories, he lost me using The Notebook as the example for a love story done well. That relationship was SO TOXIC, that is certainly nothing to emulate or strive for. Hurting each other, both emotionally and physically, and hurting others is no relationship to envy imo..... quite the opposite actually. So while I def see why Oak feels the way he does about this particular "love" story, and in some ways agree, The Notebook is NOT the one to get behind to prove his point! Nonetheless, loved the reaction, as always.... y'all never disappoint!

Ashley
>>103150638

YES little women is soo good (2019) version, made me read the book and love the story even more.

Koko

Thanks for your surprise reaction to this movie. One thing surprised me: I am German, so I watched the DVD I bought in Germany all these years ago, but with the original language. This version ends after them meeting in the sunrise and NOT kissing. Then end credits. But your version seemed to be longer. What happened? Did they really add an additional scene in the US? (or cut one here in Europe?)

Eni
>>103325478

Yes. It’s on youtube. It’s called alternate US ending. They put that scene in the dvd extras here in hungary.

Chapter Eight

This was such a great reaction! Yes, it was meant to be funny (both in the book and in the movie). As to whether Darcy and Lizzy had enough time to fall in love, The Answer is 100% right that the movie cut out a lot of the book. In the book, when Elizabeth spends time at Bingley's house taking care of Jane when she's sick, actually Elizabeth spends a lot of time with Darcy--it is kind of a joke in the end because they read or sit silently together and Darcy thinks "wow she's such a breath of fresh air that she doesn't chatter on like other girls" whereas Lizzy thinks he's unsociable and rude for not speaking to her. Then when they're at Lady Catherine's estate, they actually spend a ton of time together--they spend more evenings together than just the one in the movie, and there is a huge joke where Lizzy keeps telling Darcy where she plans to walk so that he can avoid her but he keeps showing up to walk with her because he thinks she's inviting him/wants his company.

Badd Medicine
>>103812892

It did make us wonder how much was cut so good to hear that there is way more in the book.

Grace H

Watched for the first time with you guys, an honor! I had no idea that the actress who played Johanna in Hunger Games Catching fire was in this!

Pamela Chandler Rash

There is a little video someone did on Youtube that is Pride and Prejudice explained by John Mulaney. They put his jokes to clips and it's so funny and accurate.