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A Knight's Tale - Patreon Version (Patreon)

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2024-05-11 12:00:20
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Thexx

Rock n' roll here we go! I've been waiting for this for a long time. This is one of my comfort films. Watched it a billion times and could watch it a billion more. I always feel like I could do anything by the end. It's been a good long while since I watched it too. With spring upon us (in NH) , it might be just what I need. Thanks!

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy

Man, as much as I love Heath Ledger (rest in peace my fellow Aussie) this is the movie that introduced everyone I know to Paul Bettany’s brilliance. Dude completely steals every scene he’s in as Chaucer. Recommend watching him in Wimbledon, even if it is a little schmaltzy he’s effortlessly charming in it. Medieval comedy wise: Your Highness and Black Knight are the only others I can think of that’s left to react to. Patrons will remind me of more, I’m sure :)

Big Gee

Great choice! RIP Heath!

Tay Schumaker

Such a fun movie. The 4 guys have great chemistry together

Gary Fixler

I think you can't get too literal, like "cat's use a litter box, and those are hidden, and therefore..." Dog, bull, ape, bat, dip, don't necessarily make sense, but have a feeling. The feeling I got with "cat shit" was something like hot shit, but for the actual objects. There was something like a "snappy" feeling to the words, like fancy. Like "Wow, look at all this cat shit!" for fancy stuff a person bought. It doesn't make sense, but it feels like it matches somehow (highly subjective, of course).

JediLounger

Your pre-show discussion reminded me of this bit from Henry Rollins when he went to go see the band Ratt. The lead singer of the band was playing the show and in between songs…”You like that rat shit? Yeah, rat shit is better than cat shit, cause cat shit stinks!” Gets me every time.

Tinfoilnation

Great film. Watched a BTS with the director years ago where he explained his reasoning behind decisions like modern music and catch phrases (like "It's called a lance, Hell-LO!") -- Medieval or Modern - young people don't change much. They would have had phrases like that to indicate sarcasm. They would have preferred newer music that their parents didn't necessarily approve of or like, they would have wanted to dance differently - and famous tournament knights were treated a lot like modern day sports stars. Made sense to me, anyway.

JayF

I won't get to it before I have to leave for work but this movie has one of my favorite film moments, "What a pair we make, huh? Both trying to hide who we are, both unable to do so. Your men love you. If I knew nothing else about you, that would be enough. But you also tilt when you should withdraw... and that is knightly, too. "

Raven Dark

Ohh, yay! I love this movie!

Karen Leah Quinn

I love this movie for many reasons, but one of them is that the actor that played Colville's herald (Matthew Mills) also works as a speech therapist and helped me to find my voice. He is such a lovely man and it makes me smile every time I see him on screen.

Will Sofer

FYI, Simone, they were probably saying “Aragon”, not “Aragorn”; it was a minor kingdom (now a semi-autonomous region) found in Spain.

ghostmoan

You’re opening discussion made me think of this scene https://youtu.be/hrqAc3OyX4g?si=aQmmvqpI4azOGGJ6 Not a movie that would probably ever win a poll here (and rightly so cause you gotta have a real particular sense of humor to enjoy it) but every time I hear someone say bullshit…

Will Sofer

Love this movie. Also, a bit of an anachronism that isn’t an artistic choice mixing it with the modern: Geoffrey Chaucer would have been dead for like two centuries before this is ostensibly set (the late Renaissance period). I’m guessing that they chose Chaucer, despite it not making any sense for him to be in the movie, because he’s the only other historical English author whose name the audience would recognize, aside from Shakespeare (who did actually live during this period). Ha. The tale he was saying he would write at the end is “A Knight’s Tale”, which is part of his most famous work, the “Canterbury Tales”. And yes, that was indeed the actor who played Mace Tyrell in Game of Thrones. He’s had so many bit roles throughout the years (especially in television) that you’re likely to see him several more times.

Thomas Wendel

"Not Medevily" and Outfits feel modern was on purpose. I read that the director said that to us, the music and attitude is old and "medieval" but to them it was a rock & roll mind set just like todays youth or anyone at a sporting event. I think he did a great job conveying that.

JokerDanny

dipshit in England is the same as dumbass

Tay Schumaker

The three times denying the person outside Paris is telling is the story of Peter denying Jesus

Florian Geyer

Two reccomendations - 10 Things I hate about you - the court jester

Ginger

I love this movie so much! :)

Will Sofer
>>137715231

Were they confused by that? The word “dipshit” was literally invented in the United States. Was fairly sure Canadians use it as much as Americans do.

Justtired

Rufus Sewell (Count Edamame) is indeed in The Holiday, one of my favorite Christmas movies.

Foodassassin4life

Was it just me or was the scene at the end with Adhemar floating and the good guys repeating his saying back to him (you have been weighed, you have been measured, and you have been found wanting) meant he died?

NareikAC

i just could not get into this move at all

Tangerra

In my neck of the woods catshit is a thing actually and it’s similar to dogshit, but messier. Such as the phrase “torn to catshit” Also the best part of it is that the best thing to be is “THE shit”

Opti_Frog

I can understand why some people don't like this movie. It's pretty slight, non-gritty and light hearted. But damn, is it charming.

Jacob King

The writer/director is Brian Helgeland. His IMDB director credits might be short but his writing credits go on for ever. He used the clout he got from winning an Oscar for LA Confidential to make this movie. I think what makes this movie work is that he was really excited to make this story. It’s very easy to imagine a version of this concept that does not work.

Raven Dark

This movie is one of those lovely, surprise moments where something absolutely should not work, and it totally does. This reaction made my day, guys. Thank you so much.

D. T. Nelson

Geoffrey Chaucer (1340-1400) is a well known poet and author - he wrote the epic poem The Canterbury Tales. He is often called the father of English literature.

R Harper

Really surprised Simone didn't react to the man at the early tournament selling "cat meat on a stick" - LOL

Shibby

Shenanigans. Balderdash. Tomfoolery of the highest order. Absolute nonsensical nonsense. But I love this movie so much.

Endling_king

I found it funny that Paul Bettany was completely nude for his fiirst appearance in both A Knight's Tale AND in Age of Ultron. (yes tech he was all CGI'd and what not in Age of Ultron, but his character's first appearance in Age of Ultron was as a nude vision.) there are also a couple of deleted extra scenes for this movie that you should really watch as well!

Endling_king
>>137720330

I think it was more that he was so dumbfounded that he lost "and lost so badly to a wounded newly minted knight with no armor" that he "blacked out" and imagined that scene in his head. symbolizing the point at which his view of himself and his place in the world was shattered just before he hit the ground.

Snyte

Forgot about "The shit" my favorite

R Harper
>>137726204

That very well could be - begs the question actual cat feet or just some kind of confectionary like a bear claw essentially a donut that looks like a bear's claw

Chris H.

George, since you asked: https://youtu.be/zBDA3q9H66Y?si=7wp8gBI2DqllB_Jh&t=363 Preview: "All medieval historians love A Knight's Tale. If you find a medieval historian that doesn't love A Knight's Tale, they have let all joy out of their heart and you shouldn't hang out with them."

djKENTO

Cat shit is 100% some one’s passive aggressive behavior. You can sense that it’s their but they’ve buried it… but you still have to deal with it… Cat shit is passive aggressive behavior PROVE ME WRONG.

RabidMango

"Bird Shit" -- Could be you got dealt a band hand you didn't deserve. Right? I dunno. Also if you're "the shit" that means you're dope as hell. Shit is a flexible word.

REDR58
>>137724037

Is this not taught in high school anymore? I mean, we learned it back in the 90s, and even read some of the work. Granted, it was largely incomprehensible to me but never mind.

rycolaa

Do another sports movie next - The Replacements with Keanu. I feel like it has a similar feel

Leo Gets
>>137724037

thats assuming highschools in Canada teaches the same things as wherever you went to school. hell thats even assuming a different province in Canada teaches the same as another. theres so many poets and authors in history they prob had a different, equally important one. its not exactly a fundamental building block subject like teaching multiplication table, with important writers in history you cant possibly include every single one in 4 years of high school.

D. T. Nelson
>>137724037

No, you can't teach every author, but Chaucer is up there in importance with Shakespeare when it comes to English literature. Even if the schools don't spend a lot of time discussing Chaucer you'd think they'd spend at least a few days talking about him— and The Canterbury Tales—in grade 11 or 12. Maybe I'm just more familiar with him than the average person because I took advanced classes on both Shakespeare and Chaucer in college, but I still remember covering The Canturbury Tales in high school. I give George a pass due to his coming from China, and Simone at least seemed to remember hearing the name Chaucer at some point in her life.

Odd Thomas

For more Rufus Sewell I recommend Dark City (director's cut)

Odd Thomas

Brian Helgeland's first directing gig was Payback, with Mel Gibson. That's a great movie (better than Knight's Tale imo)

Logan Kerlee

Watching this with you both made me incredibly happy! This movie's such a banger. :D I remember first watching this so many years ago. It wasn't at the theaters unfortunately.. no, instead it was at my mom's place. I remember being so damn hyped whenever Queen began playing! :D Such positive memories! :) Great watch, loads of laughs and a few tears. Very happy to have been able to watch with you both. :)

China Andronicus

I would guess Chaucer and ‘the Canterbury Tales’ is also probably the reason for the post-credits scene. That book is full of fart jokes.

James O'Sullivan

"Dogshit" might be low quality, but in the UK, the "dog's bollocks" is something really good. Calling something "Bollocks" means it's nonsense, but in the (updated) words of Eddie Izzard, you can go up to the King and say, "Your Majesty, that outfit, it's the dog's bollocks!" and it will taken as a compliment.

JayF

Okay I guess I'm just going to become the guy that regularly links George a George Carlin bit but your beginning discussion reminded me of this for some reason - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2lNAuXaAIo

RipTheRipper

Requests: - The Isle of Dogs (2018) - Breaking Away (1979) - Weird Science (1985) - Dances With Wolves (1990) - The Lovely Bones (2009) - The Sweet East (2023)

Jordan

you guys haven't watched a wes anderson in ages... Royal Tenenbaums long overdue!

Will Sofer
>>137714539

I’m aware that the Prince is named too, but everything in this is thoroughly Renaissance. The armor, the styling of the clothing, the dancing, the architecture. Truth is that stuff from the Renaissance is generally more stylish than their medieval counterparts, so I can see why. If they meant to set the story around 1360, then absolutely everything else about this movie is out of place.

akaTheBARON

🖤George saying The Dark Knight was the only thing he knows Heath Ledger from, but I could SWEAR you guys did The Patriot. Just searched for it, and nada LOL. Welp... if ya want more Heath, you know what to add to the ol' listaroo XD.

Harold Wright

Was super excited to see this pop up on my feed, I adore this movie. And I for one am happy to be a figment of Simone's imagination :)

Alex Ch
>>137721304

Helgeland’s writing has appeared on this channel twice previously - LA Confidential and Man on Fire.

Alex Ch

Medieval sports movie is a one-film genre, but it’s a lot of fun. Thanks for the reaction!

James O'Sullivan

Just so you know Simone, in medieval Europe there was a Kingdom of Aragon, so you likely did hear it. It's on boarder of what's now Spain and France.

R Harper

Shits Dogshit - Very poor quality Bullshit - Not true Horseshit - Nonsense Apeshit - Rambunctious Batshit - Insane Chickenshit - cowards Ratshit - poor quality No shit - Obviously Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable Hot shit - very good Dipshita - total dumbass Tuff shit - Take it or leave it. Jack shit - nothing The shits - perfection

BubblyRainbows

I have no idea WHY this was something my grandpa did, I never asked him when he was still with us, but he used to say "catshit" instead of "Ketchup" and "mouse turds" instead of "Mustard" so if we had a barbecue or something and he wanted someone to pass him the condiments for his burger, he'd tell them to toss him the "catshit and mouse turds." Your opening conversation reminded me of my grandpa and his somewhat gross picnic vernacular. So, I thought I'd leave this here.

Stretch

Geoffrey is pronounced like Jeffery not Joffrey from game of thrones. Also it would be Aragon you heard at the beginning as that is a area of north eastern Spain. i.e. one of Henry VIII wives was Catherine of Aragon.

Tacitus G. Kilgore

This movie was in our family collection when I was young, Still holds up as a delightful and entertaining watch after all these years. I don't care if it's not considered 'high-art'... it makes me happy every time I watch it. Thanks for this one.

Morion Williams

You need to watch 10 things I hate about you.

REDR58
>>137724037

As Chaucer is regarded as the father of English Literature and of the English language, to not teach about him would be a massive failure in western schools, at the very least.

REDR58

Wonderful reaction, Simone and George. If you want to watch a classic movie with Dragons and magic, do check out “Dragonslayer” from 1981 and “Dragonheart” from 1996!

Actuarial Lurker

I just googled the etymology of "horse-shit" and the Oxford English Dictionary claims the first appearance was in 1955 from the writings of an author Mary McCarthy, It seems older than that

Actuarial Lurker

Holy shit = Wow Eat shit and die- contemptuous Shit on a Shingle- Army slang for chipped beef rations on stale bread Shit hits the fan= trouble breaks loose all over Deep Shit- in a world of trouble Up Shits Creek- see Deep Shit Tough shit = your problem not mine Bull shit = false Crock of Shit= "bullshit"= false Dog shit = garbage Horse shit = nonsense Ape shit = crazy Bat shit = insane Chicken shit = cowardly Dip shit = dumb ass Jack shit = knows nothing No shit = duh Little shit = sniveling Shitter= tollet Hot Shit- to be full of oneself

Actuarial Lurker

Look for Lydia from Breaking Bad, since you just hit that episode in your Breaking Bad season 5 episode 1/2 reaction just released

BubblyRainbows
>>137724037

Well, education in the states, at least, is a complete shit-show. Our gym teacher taught 10th Grade English the entire year I was a sophomore because the teacher that used to teach it retired and there was no one to take her place. I'm like 90% sure that my 11th Grade English teacher wasn't an actual teacher at all. We literally didn't have one single "lesson" with that woman all year. Every day it was either reading whatever book we were assigned at the time, doing worksheets she handed out, or taking tests. I love to read, but I was so uninterested in the books they were assigning that year that I spent the entire year either playing with my phone or just reading whatever I wanted. She barely ever looked up, so the class was more like study hall than anything. I think Chaucer was mentioned in my English class? (I'm not even positive, because I know a friend was reading his work, so I may have just heard the name from her) We definitely didn't devote any time to studying Chaucer or read anything he wrote for class. We spent a few weeks on Shakespeare reading "Romeo and Juliet," and that was about it for English authors. Most of the books and stories they had us read were written by American authors. I think they spent more time on Chaucer in Creative Writing if that was the elective chosen for senior year, but I can't be sure. I didn't take that class. But I'm positive my friend (who did take the class) was reading "The Canterbury Tales," though it's possible she was just reading it because she wanted to and not for an assignment.

BubblyRainbows
>>137739035

I'll keep this vague to avoid spoilers for anyone who hasn't seen it, but you just reminded me of a scene in "The Boondock Saints" that centered around another four-letter word. "Certainly illustrates the diversity of the word."

Pearl Jam

“You were lookin' up curse words in the dictionary. It seemed like a better use of your time.“ - Bender

BubblyRainbows
>>137741352

Yes please! I'm not a sports fan, so my taste in sports movies may not be in line with most people, but I'm dying for someone whose Patreon I subscribe to to react to "The Replacements" or "Mystery, Alaska." Two of my favorite sports movies.

Vwlss Nvwls

This is such a fun movie, and great story. I hate that Ledger died so young, because he was so great to watch. :(

D. T. Nelson
>>137724037

Well, I did go to high school in the early 1980s, so that might explain it. I just figured the education system in Canada had to be better than in the states.

Vwlss Nvwls

I always assumed that the mix of traditional and medieval was to show how the story was timeless. As well as to make it a bit more fun and light hearted. I could be wrong, but it is how I like to view it.

Astraeos

Well, since nobody watched until the end of the video apparently, I'll answer the question. Simone, what you heard towards the beginning of the movie that you thought was Aragorn, was actually Aragon. Aragon was a medieval kingdom in Spain.

Orphan Crippler
>>137726204

I always thought he was saying "Tax meat, Hot Wine" As in cheap meat... Guess I was kinda right?

Starromania72

No. 1: My plug is for another early Heath Ledger film, the Australian-made Two Hands (1999). No. 2: Rat shit - a couple have mentioned this as meaning "cheap" or "low quality", which is true, but it can also mean nasty or underhanded, eg: "That was a pretty rat shit thing to do, Bruce." Also, someone can be described as "thick as pig shit", ie, not overly-furnished in the brain department.

Alex Doman

Here in the UK however if something is 'The Shit' it means its the greatest ie "This reaction was the shit" lol

Shane Driscoll

I saw a video where a medieval historian was rating films based on accuracy, and when this film came up, you could tell she had some nostalgia for it because she was like, "You know what? 10/10, no notes!"

Manuel Phelouzat

To dip something in shit does not always make it bad. Bear with me. To temper a steel blade, water is suboptimal and mixing bird shit in the water reinforce the steel (nitrogen in the droppings, if I remember correctly).

Gary Fixler
>>137724037

I was surprised when they didn't react at all to the name Chaucer, just because he's way up there in the list of maybe the 50 most uber famous writers from the distant past that get mentioned still in so many modern works, like Dickens, Dostoevsky, Twain, Tolstoy, Hemingway. Dr. Who met Chaucer in an episode when they traveled to Canterbury. Homer met Chaucer's Ghost (S20E18 - "Geoffrey Chaucer? What are you doing here!?") More references here: https://getyarn.io/yarn-find?text=chaucer. I've read almost none of their works, so I'm not on a high horse here, but I thought Chaucer was still in the zeitgeist, especially for George, who could school me six ways from Sunday on so much history (I was the worst history student ever). Of course, while I was thinking "Wow, they never heard of Chaucer? Like from The Canterbury Tales?" THAT was when I finally put it together, decades later (A Knight's Tale is from The Canterbury Tales, sigh...)

Angela D. Mitchell
>>137709354

I so agree-- Bettany completely steals this movie out from under Heath in terms of charisma. But he's also playing an incredibly charismatic character, so it all works. I do think Ledger was amazing (and still think he should have won BA for Brokeback).

Angela D. Mitchell
>>137712424

That's a fantastic story -- I'm so glad he helped you find your voice. And he did such a good job with that role!

JakeyShakeyBakeyBoy
>>137709354

Same here: PSH was immaculate as Capote but Heath broke your heart in Brokeback… unintentional double up on the word “broke” there, lol.

Gary Fixler

Random aside: Geoffrey is just an older form of Jeffrey, and pronounced the same way. I went to school with a Geoff ("Jeff"). English is ridiculous.