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Classic Who "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" Parts 1&2 Early Access! (Patreon)

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2023-03-03 13:46:08
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2023-04

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Classic Who "The Talons of Weng Chiang" Parts 1&2 Reaction

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Ryan

Perfect "You're all seeing this too, right?" thumbnail face.

Josef Schiltz

Old Lady - played by Patsy Smart with no teeth: " On my oath, you wouldn't want that served with onions. Never seen anything like it in all my puff. Oh, make an 'orse sick, that would."

Jenny Chalek

Thank you for acknowledging how uncomfortable it is to see yellowface. I was born in the 60s and grew up with a lot of unacceptable things like that in media, and I was ALWAYS uncomfortable. I think decent people always were.

James Gorman

I have to say it is uncomfortable watching a white actor playing a Chinese character. This was a product of its time. There were fewer Asian actors on tv, film and theatre. However having said that this story is a personal favourite story of mine.

James Gorman

I remember watching thisstory when it was first broadcast in 1977.

Dave Ford

Such a shame a good script is spoiled by terrible casting. People might suggest it's a product of its time - but really it's not - this didn't happen with Mind of Evil six year earlier. What was the difference? Well, probably something to do with the writer being married to Pik-Sen Lim I bet. It wasn't so much a product of it's time as a product of the attitude of the writer, script editor, producers and casting executives at that time making this particular story. Really no excuse for it.

Anonymous

Thank you for another great reaction. Several stories back I was anticipating you getting to this one and really didn't know whether or not you were going to react to it - or have it as a Patreon only reaction but thank you for a very honest reaction. I don't intend to defend what they did in this story and I think it's hard to take any kind of stance without provoking some kind of reaction. I've seen Youtube comments sections for others who have reacted to this as well as fan and official trailers where people have been attacked for calling it racist and others attacked for saying it wasn't. At the very least its notably culturally insensitive and embarrassing to watch. So I'm guessing the Youtube comments when this gets posted to the masses may be something of a warzone sadly. I hope I'm wrong. Philip Hinchcliffe goes some way to explain his reasons for the choices he made with this, which may be viewable somewhere outside of the extra features on the UK DVD Classic Who releases. Writer Robert Holmes passed away many years ago & I don't think his thoughts are out there and if they are I suspect this aspect was probaly ignored. I was far too young to get an idea of how this story was percieved when first aired. Unfortunate bits aside, I really like this story on many levels. For the fascinating back story and the supporting cast. I think Jago and Lightfoot are legendary and extremely well written and I think the story has near perfect execution. I also love the setting and what a great job they made of it in spite of the lack of budget that sadly plagued Classic Who. I also love Leela's perception of how her ancestors lived. Plus she's bad ass in this! OK, lastly the giant rat looks silly! See you next time!

Paul Mason

Hiding behind the sofa, terrified of the giant rat in Victorian sewers is one of my earliest Dr Who memories. Sadly it's hard to watch with any fondness these days. If ever there was an example of the phrase "two things can be true at once" it's this story. It is both a well executed story, and deeply problematic. So I think calling out the racist nature of yellowface whilst acknowledging what works is the right approach.

Liam Kershaw-Calvert

Your face in the thumbnail is exactly how I felt when I watched this story

David Vandervliet

On BritBox this story comes with a warning re:the casting and attitudes. Despite its obvious flaws the story continues to be one of the most popular to this day, always landing quite near the top of fan polls for favorite all time stories (including ones with modern series). The story is indirectly referenced in Sherlock (the blind banker), which also had Chinese criminals (I think it may even be the Black Tong) and in the credits there several letters are colored red that spell Weng Chiang

sesskasays

I wanted to say thank you to everyone being so respectful towards me in the comments of this video (and the full reaction) Even if it's a story you've loved for a long time, it means a tremendous amount to me that you can understand where I'm coming from when I talk about being uncomfortable while watching it. I tried my best to be as calm and concise in my thoughts but as an over-thinker, I did wonder after recording it if I was actually able to convey how I felt about the story in the way I wanted to. (Also on the internet you say one wrong thing and people will pick it apart and leave no prisoners lol) I truly appreciate whether you like this story or not, you spent the time to write something kind to me. It further proves the point that my patrons are truly and completely the best people around and just a wonderfully understanding bunch of beautiful souls. I know the youtube comment section probably won't be as kind to me. Like I said, this is not my first time dealing with something like this and truly it gets hostile quick. But I'm very happy to know that the people who support me here have been very respectful while sharing how they personally feel about the story. Stay Amazing Lovelies.

Josef Schiltz
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I hope that you don't mind me doing a bit of contextualization of the time, 1977, when I was in my late-teens and saw this for the first time. At the time, there were repeats shown of films such as Charlie Chan and Fu Manchu - the worst of which was with Peter Sellers, forewarning about that! - We also had David Carradine in his Kung Fu series. Comics had Shang Chi and various Masters Of Martial Arts were leaping about in comics, magazines and films. Kids were doing this leaping about in the playgrounds and a friend of mine was taking lessons. It was a whole thing going on and John Bennett's makeup - I suppose - slipped by as just another version of a 'Fu Manchu' villain. It was in the cultural 'theatrescape' of the time. Just as much as films released years before, and continually reshown on television, depicted Germans in a completely negative light - and with a Dutch Germanic name that got me a great deal of bullying back in the 60s and 70s. Hogan's Heroes did me no favours at all! I knew that this story would be a difficult one to cover. I wasn't sure myself if I really wanted to see it and, yes, it is uncomfortable. To tell the truth, my family still had monochrome back in 1977 and the face makeup went by easier than if we had colour. Now it is far more obvious and heightening by both colour television and sharpening of detail and, yes, it is obvious and you think, "Ah! no. Also, the agreement with the actor's union 'Equity' meant that there was usually one showing and one repeat. Nobody thought that these programmes would be shown in high definition, on discs, many decades later. Programmes were still being dumped into the 90s. As a side note, there is a street scene when, during filming, John Bennett is asked for his autograph by some young women who had recognised him. His reaction is reported as "Why did I just spend three hours in makeup for?" John, looking more like he should, appeared in many television programmes as a character actor. As with Roger Delgado, his looks and experience as a character actor - plus the vital Equity card - led to him getting roles as racial types that weren't that well represented as experienced actors or with Equity membership at that time. Any casting director would have just gone for someone who could look a fit for the part and that there was a certainty of their reliability in a highly pressured production schedule. Also why Patrick Troughton landed a number of roles with dubious make up and accents in his time as a character actor.

Rob Morris

It's a difficult one this. The yellowface is hard to justify (and you really can't) but John Bennet ultimately gives a quite nuanced performance (especially in latter episodes) and even the script has moments of awareness "I understand we all look the same". When there was a big bust-up about this serial a couple of years ago a friend of mine - of Chinese heritage - deliberately did a round of a Doctor Who pub quiz dedicated to it because he loves it. I guess it's not up to British/American guys to decide what is offensive to other races. We should listen to them, not get offended on their behalf.

Anonymous Goanna

Spent alot of time saying how this is unacceptable nowadays. This is how it was and should not be hidden or torn down just move on and don't do it again.