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WDF 29.975: The Franco-Dutch War XXIV (Patreon)

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2017-05-07 23:03:01
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2024-11
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[PATRONS] This is it, the final episode in the series - a massive blowout of all we've seen and experienced so far, and a fitting conclusion to such an incredible conflict. This is the last in our trifecta of instant releases, since I'm in such a wonderful mood and on my honeymoon, and I love you Patrons too!

Within this episode, we bring the narratives together and reveal that, although it had taken all this time to arrive at such a destination, Europe was no closer to peace than it had been in 1672. While the treaties were of course hammered out, troubling clouds remained on the horizon, yet what no power could deny was the fact that behind these clouds, and around which their interests seemed to revolve, was the Sun King. If the FDW meant anything for the continent then, it meant that, amidst the failed hopes, fleeting triumphs and horrific losses, Louis XIV had definitively arrived. Let’s see how it all went down, as I take to you to mid-1678, in this, the final episode of the FDW…

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Tom McCool

Hi Zack, I found your pod only recently but went back to listen to a bit of the catalogue especially the Easter Uprising series. That was an amazing bit of research and presentation and really an interesting perspective. While not a history major, I took 2 Irish History courses in college from Hugh Kearney and he set me on a path to read quite a lot of the subject. So, I had 2 questions after listening to the series. One, in early 1914 after the passage of Home Rule, do. you think that absent WWI outbreak the bill would have carried the day despite the likely resistance in Ulster? The British Army at the time was faced with opposition all the way up the chain of command to the point of rumors of mutiny. Was it Haig or French who threatened to resign when he was posted to Ulster? Isn't it possible even probable that the UVF as armed as they were (unlike the failed attempt to ship arms to the south) would have begun their own resistance? My second question has to do with the Irish Free State beginning. What's your view of deValera's decision to avoid the negotiations and in effect forcing Collins to go as the leader of the negotiations with Collins admitting he likely committed suicide by bringing back the best deal he could get? It seems that WWI sacrifices by Ulstermen (not to disparage those of men from the south) gave added weight to carving out the north from the Home Rule but surely deValera knew what would happen? As you can tell, I think the chances of Ireland achieving any sort of Home Rule, even on the later basis which deValera (shrewdly switching sides) supported without violence is chimerical. Whether it should, could or would have been through the Easter Uprising or a rebellion in Ulster, there would be violence. Anyway, I did enjoy the series and got much food for thought from it. Thanks.

When Diplomacy Fails Podcast

It's great to hear from you Tom! And thanks again for becoming a patron of WDF. Your questions are of course multi layered, but I feel they all tie into a common problem, that Ireland in 1914 era was increasingly wracked by violence in an increasingly violent world. That would they/won't they debate on HR is contentious enough to form it's own miniseries, but I would weigh in on the cautiously optimistic side, which says that regardless of the unionist opposition, London couldn't afford constitutionally to ignore a legitimate bill, passed by the majority of the union. For all the opposition it faced, HR was seen as the best option. It should also be added that ww1 had the effect of bringing both sides of the island closer in their mutual struggle. While some would debate that, what is not debatable is that the rising made partition inevitable. As per DeV and Collins, the common told story in Ireland to this day is that DeV bowed out knowing full well that Collins would take the fall in the negotiations, but whether that's true is a matter not just for historical debate, but in many cases, political differentiation, as the pro and anti treaty cliques have largely survived to this day. Hope that answers some of your questions, thankssssssss again for getting in touch!