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EVERYTHING I'd hoped for! This was so much fun! I went in knowing there was some meta/parody elements and nothing about the plot and it delivered in spades! 

YouTube Link: https://youtu.be/tAR2Not46-c

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Ryan

I didn't much care for this movie the first time I saw it. But then, I was ten years old and wasn't really equipped to deal with the idea of these big action movies I loved getting mocked to hell by one of their own biggest stars. I've come to appreciate it a lot more over the years, in particular stuff like the raging bureaucratic police chief and supermodel casting which were seriously due at the time to get the piss taken out of them. Though one complaint that I've held onto is how the Jack Slater series makes absolutely no sense as an in-universe action franchise. Just try to imagine the third movie in a cheesy fun action series ending on a crushing note with the hero failing to save the life of his young son. And then apparently the fourth movie's plot was going to culminate in a giant mass assassination by fart even before it got messed with, which maybe isn't quite as hard to believe but is still a stretch (funnily enough, Lethal Weapon and Die Hard would both provide examples of an action series suddenly becoming more goofy and farcical when it got to this point, but that hadn't yet happened when this movie was made). And it's really hard not to feel a bit let down that Benedict's big monologue about all the villains he can team up with doesn't come to anything, not that the movie could have anything near the budget for all that licensing anyway. But it's still a ton of fun and I'm very glad it exists in any form. Oh, and super great timing watching it now, just in time to catch the reference to F. Murray Abraham's role in Amadeus.

g g gooding

A counter-point. Lethal Weapon (same writer as this, Shane Black) had Mel Gibson suicidal in 1 and actually killed him in 2 (which they obviously changed.) Beverly Hills Cop opens with a brutal murder of a nice fella. Die Hard (same director as this) slauters Mr Nacatomi to establish threat. The Jack Slater movies *are* a comical exaggeration of Action Movies (Death Wish?) so killing Jack's son fits in that parody/critique of Movies. Adorable kid is WAY worse that old business man...but that's the point. It's off-putting, I agree, but justified...I argue. Thoughts?

Holly

Now that you've seen the movie, one thing I want to highlight that I couldn't really go into before is that Arnold Schwarzenegger gives a master class, an absolute *master class* in the art of an actor making fun of themselves in a movie...Which again, was not something that actors were really doing at the time this movie came out, which I think contributed to the many reasons why critics didn't know what to make of it. It's certainly a lot more common now, so we're used to seeing actors appear in films as versions of 'themselves' and making fun of themselves now (Nicholas Cage just recently came out with an entire movie that was essentially about 'himself'), but back then, nobody was really doing it. And then here comes Arnold Schwarzenegger and does it so masterfully for basically the duration of the *entire* movie, waaayy ahead of its time, in a very meta type of story that just hadn't been done before then. (Not that flirting with the fourth wall and meta-ness hadn't *ever* been done before, it was just very rare, and never done to *this* extent). In fact, every actor who has a cameo is making fun of themselves to some extent. Even F Murray Abraham is too with the Mozart references. Also, for me personally, the character of Benedict is one of my favorite villains in any movie, in any genre, EVER. Yes, you read that correctly. If I went into the details of why, this post would be waaaay too long, so I'll summarize by simply saying that he's genuinely threatening in a universe that is too over the top to really feel threatening otherwise, and he is leagues and leagues smarter than the universe he is trapped in. I like to say he's an R-rated villain trapped in a PG13 world.

casualnerdreactions

Oh I can definitely see some people not quite "getting" the movie at first. I love that Arnold did this and committed so hard to the role. Especially when he played himself and his wife making sure he doesn't overdo the promotion 🤣 Love the description of Benedict being an R-erated villain trapped in a PG13 world, it rings true. He is genuinely terrifying and brilliant.