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Once Upon a Time in Hollywood (2019) - Full Reaction (Patreon)

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Ok so per your guys suggestions, I read a bit about Charles Manson and Sharon Tate and I am so glad I did. I feel like I would have been lost without doing so. This movie was weirdly so good to me and one I haven't stopped thinking about since I watched it. Brad and Leo really are SO good!! Hope you guys enjoy! 

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Clay F

I wish this fairy tale had been the reality. Early in the movie, the Mannix TV series was on Cliff's TV when Cliff arrived home. I watch that series as a kid in the early 70s. I liked this movie. One of my favorite Tarintino movies. Saw it in the theater. Tarantino does such a good job of creating a feel. I recommend Jackie Brown (1997) be your next Tarantino movie.

Jimmy Reyes

leo dicaprio - The Beach, Quick and he Dead, Titanic, Deception

Ramah Mustangs

This was the first time I had seen this movie. I didn't know much about it so I'm glad I watched it with your reaction. As always you did a great job. I also liked the rewrite of history. If you want to know how terrible the Manson Family was, you should watch Helter Skelter.

Ryan Towell

I know this is old, but this is by far my favorite Taratino film. I'm older, so I completely understand this entire film, and it's a fantasy, love story about 60's Hollywood. And it never hurts to rewrite the manson muders the way he did in this. The manson murders changed Hollywood forever. This movie makes me sad cause it's got the ending we wish was true and not the other way.. But this is a fantasy which is why it's called, ONCE UPON A TIME in Hollywood.. As Cassie was saying at the end, He wasn't trying to glamorize the hippies etc.. Actually, one thing about this film, is everytime the word hippie is used, the Fn' is always used to describe the hippies.

Brad P

I find the final moments of the film to be extremely moving. If only Cliff Booth had really existed...

Gábor Árki

I'm so glad the message reached you in time. I think without knowing about the Manson Family and Sharon Tate a very important layer of the story would be lost. Knowing who they are adds an ominous presence of an impending danger that I don't think is perceived by people who not aware of the real life events. Also, the ending of the movie does provide a kind of relief and some sort of satisfaction this way and would be just a run-of-the-mill Tarantino violence otherwise without any point.

nick bell

More cerebral than most QT movies but very entertaining.

Jyn Jilly

*An identical lookalike to Bruce Lee, one of the most famous people ever, comes on screen* Cassie: Is he the stunt manager? lol All good, I get you've probably never heard of him but it did make me laugh a bit

Jyn Jilly

Also in the first 15 minutes I was like does she not recognize Al Pacino!? haha But I'm glad you did

Grégory Gautier

Ah!!, the final scene, you made me laugh when you said "she so dead", it's violent and at the same time it's enjoyable when you know the real story. I was also surprised by this choice of ending, I don't mind that he rewrote the story this way. We have a happy ending and I like that! For me this is the best Tarantino with "Jackie Brown"! I'm just passing by, I'll look at the reaction more in detail. Have a nice day.

Matthew Dunham

The movie is a fairy tale about young Quentin Tarantino's Hollywood crush on Sharon Tate. ❤️

Uncle 'Traveling' Matt

This will not be a popular opinion. I strongly suggest you simply stop reading the comments here on Patreon. You lose WAY MORE than you gain by doing so. Sorry to say :( edit: Maybe that's the website guy's point... edit2: "Well, the fucking hippies aren't." ROFL

Ben Livingstone

Just a pity, what they did to Bruce Lee's character.

Mr Trick

The movie gets a lot of mixed reactions but I feel that for Tarantino it was a dream of what he wished had happened rather than what did. For someone as steeped in film as much he is, Sharon Tate is this incredible lost light, beloved by everyone who knew her, who glowed with life on the screen. Which is the only way so many could relate to her. It was only fitting that that a wish for a brighter path would play out on the silver screen and live forever. A strange sort of balm to a great hurt. You feel Tarantino’s love for her, the era and his sadness at the loss of innocence that moment represented, in every frame. I think it’s his most personal film in that regard and maybe my favorite Tarantino.

Jon Johns

Here's a link that might work if anyone is having trouble... https://vimeo.com/726930626/3d4272dc2b Let me know if this is broken, too.

Wu Sha Ling

Part of his revisionist history trilogy (his others being django unchained and inglourious basterds). IMO i'm fine with everyone thinking this is average Tarantino. I'm personally not a huge fan of his work. He's very capable and very good at tension building. But his self indulgence is sometimes overwhelming.

djKENTO

Hahahha. No Marilyn Manson and Charles Manson are not related and no he never ate a bat.

Tim Raths

Brandy is one of the greatest movie dogs of all time.

Pickupthepieces76
>>87053650

I think the community is the most important aspect why she enjoys this so much. Without comments on any platform that would fall away. Sure nothing is perfect, but it's not so bad on here right? Or maybe I don't get what you are referring to.

Diiirk706

........I don't Freaking care. I LOVE this movie. So underrated and unfairly judged.

Just Plain Bob

Regarding the scene where Cliff fights "Kato" on the movie set. Kato was the character name of Bruce Lee on the TV show Green Hornet. Lee went on to become the most revered and famous movie martial artist of all time. The boxer that they keep referring to, Cassius Clay, was Muhammad Ali's name before he won the heavyweight championship and changed his name. Lee was well known as being disrespectful and even abusive of stunt men. That's a big part of why the scene is in the movie. So, when he says he would beat Ali, Cliff has heard enough nonsense. The tie-in novel also provides some nice context to the fight. It mentions that allowing Lee to kick him to start the fight was part of Cliff's technique - to determine what his opponents best move was. The book also elaborates quite a bit on Cliff's backstory. In the movie, they mention that he's a war hero. In the book, it's made much more explicit. He fought in World War 2 and was a highly decorated hero on par with Audie Murphy.

The King In The North

Polanski is actually a disgusting monster should be in prison

Ben Cookie

this is the real story about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiNqlpewqUg But be careful! : it's very disturbing to watch Told by a real manson member who was present on this night. After watching this documentary this movie is more clear to understand.

Just Plain Bob
>>87069028

I agree 100%. He drugged and raped a 13 year old girl and then fled the country when he was caught. For the next 30+ years, Hollywood defended him and his monstrous acts, attributing his prosecution to nothing more than American moralizing and cultural differences with Europe. Then the MeToo movement happened and they suddenly realized he was just a rapist with talent.

Celeste McAllister

I read Helter Skelter in college talk about the dark side of the human syci,Charly Manson was a charismatic socially rejected monster,Sharon Tate and her friends were innocent victims Roman Polanski rented the home owned by the music producer who told Charly his music was trash,Sharon by all accounts was someone people just couldn't help but love she was such a sweetheart..would have been great if the plot twist ending was the truth..

Celeste McAllister
>>87059730

And Read Helter Skelter,or watch the 70''s TV movie version,Charly Manson has to be the creepiest scariest little MF ever lived..

Hankster

Don't forget Helter skelter is a Beatles song not played for many years due to its connection to Manson, but I do remember U2 saying it was "stolen from the Beatles and we're taking it back" then they played the song in concert.

Stick Figure Studios

"You came to the wrong house." You nailed it right on the head, Cassie. Your analysis is spot on. Just as he did with World War II in INGLORIOUS BASTERDS, this is Tarantino's fantasy "wish fulfillment" version of the real events surrounding the horrific Manson/Tate murders. Rick and Cliff didn't exist, but what if they did and the killers had gone to their house instead of Sharon's? It's the happy ending she deserved but never got. More than almost any other film, this one earns it's "ONCE UPON A TIME" title because this is clearly a fairy tale. I knew you'd like this one. If there was any Tarantino film you would enjoy, it would be this one... and not just because of Leo and Brad, but because of its intoxicating atmosphere, it's nostalgic recreation of classic Hollywood, it's decided lack of standard Tarantino violence (prior to that insane ending, it's easily Tarantino 's least violent movie). For me, it is quite possibly Tarantino's best film. It's certainly his most "mature" and personal. I was fully prepared to dislike it back when I heard he was doing a film that involved Charles Manson and Sharon Tate because I knew his penchant for extreme violence and the idea of exploiting the shockingly gruesome homicide on Cielo Drive for a movie just made me feel icky. Instead, as someone else here commented, I was surprised at how moving I found that ending (especially that final shot). So glad you got to watch this and that you were able to learn a little bit about the true crime it was "inspired" by ahead of time. :-)

zynjams

the music is great

Celeste McAllister

The last member of Easy Company "Band of Brothers" Bradford Freeman has passed at the age of 97..God rest his soul.

Alex Gorell

While I think this is one of his weaker movies, I still enjoy it quite a bit. Inglorious Basterds is my favorite movie of his and I love how he did his telling a story of how it should have happened.

Celeste McAllister
>>87069028

Polanski fled to Paris to avoid justice,he never got over his feelings of guilt leaving Sharon and their unborn child behind while he was in Europe shooting one of his disturbing movies,The Benedict canyon house lay empty for years,those who rented that house didn't stay in the house very long,the house was torn down around 1990,the property has been reported to be haunted,by the spirits of Jay Sebring and Sharon Tate..not kidding.

Celeste McAllister
>>87072513

The Beatles denied any connection between them,John Lennon publicly denounced the "Manson Family".. Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys made the mistake of becoming friends with Charly,to his own end..

Stick Figure Studios
>>87073639

Thank you, Celeste. :-) We may not always agree on here, but I respect you (partially because you yourself are respectful, which cannot be said of everyone in this community) and am always interested in what you have to say.

TommyJ.

To anyone interested in History, the truth, Sharon Tate / Manson case please read "CHAOS: Charles Manson, the CIA, and the Secret History of the Sixties". By Tom O"Neill. Amazing read!! It took him 20 years to write. If you don't believe me check him out on Joe Rogan.

Hankster
>>87072513

Of course the Beatles had no connection with Manson, but I did hear about Dennis Wilson, also Paul wrote the song to outdo the Who's I can see for miles and some of the lyrics might be about a rollercoaster, but with the Beatles you never know

zynjams

valley of the dolls is a real movie , its about the drug scene in hollywood in the 60s

zynjams

the guy Bruce that Brad pitt threw into the car is a real person , Bruce Lee , Enter the Dragon would be a great movie to watch

Ben Livingstone
>>87054300

His personality aside, by all accounts Lee's style was more about responding to attack than initiating it. In this film, it seems to be the opposite.

Tim Raths
>>87053650

She probably appreciates the comments more on here than the insufferable people on YouTube.

Just Plain Bob

If you're interested in learning more about the Manson Family and the Tate-LaBianca murders, there are any number of documentaries available that cover them in depth. The definitive book is Helter Skelter, written by the prosecutor of the Manson Family members involved in the murders, Vincent Bugliosi. It was subsequently adapted into an excellent made-for-tv movie bearing the same name. Many have questioned the accuracy of the book, but in interviews with former family members they have largely corroborated the key elements. Apparently, Manson believed that he could incite a race war by having family members commit very public homicides which would then be blamed on black activists. His family would hide in caves in the desert and emerge once the race war was over to lead the victors. It sounds insane, but numerous former family members have corroborated this account. Helter Skelter was the name of a popular Beatles song which Manson interpreted as supporting his beliefs. Regarding Marilyn Manson, he IS NOT related to Charlie Manson. He adopted the name Manson for the sake of cheap publicity. Marilyn Manson did not eat a bat. Ozzie Osbourne, former lead vocalist of Black Sabbath and one of the most prominent heavy metal musicians of all time, bit the head off a bat when it was thrown onstage during one of his concerts.

Jason Chirevas
>>87073639

When we saw this in the theater, I loved every second of it…and then remembered where we were headed and thought, I can’t believe we’ve come this far and he’s going to dramatize these grisly murders. I was dreading the end. Realizing what was actually going to happen — and then watching the way it happened — was one of the most cathartic, satisfying experiences I’ve ever had in a movie theater.

The King In The North
>>87073639

Well said and guess just for clarification the hippies did indeed go to the wrong house. Mason sent them to the Polanski house but they went to the incorrect one

Stick Figure Studios
>>87073639

@King In the North: Right. While in the car they discuss the fact that Manson sent them to Polanski's house to murder everybody, but at the last minute they decide to invade Rick Dalton's house instead. Not a wise move on their part.

zynjams

best ending ever

zynjams

the actual true story is really gruesome , and they even killed sharons baby out of the womb , the book helter skelter explains all .

Jason Dolan

Google Actors and their stunt doubles and you'll see they look about as much alike as Leo and Brad. Also, Keanu Reeves gave his entire stunt team part of his Matrix payday and the guys he made John Wick with WERE his stunt doubles so yeah they have very close relationships.

Terry Yelmene

Although, she does make fairly reasonable arguments in favor of cleansing/altering the story, only Cassies could find so many positives in this movie. And, I can't help feeling this drastic re-write to what really happened up in those Laural Canyon hills in August'69, is a liberty that cheapens the tragedy. Even now, all these many years latter, Manson's order to "kill everyone there' without regard to Sharon Tate, her house guests and even her pregnancy should be recalled as a horrific act, by a horrific person, carried out by horrific people. Though Tarantino's 'Once Upon A Time' may offer a more palatable, less painful alternative to the actual event, it may also dilute the actual memories of the nation.

Rich Campbell

I think Tarantino's intention was to redefine Sharon Tate's memory to her life, kindness and warmth. Rather than her being solely remembered by the horrific, brutal way she died. I think he succeeded. That's how I like to think of it anyway.

Mike LL

I am really impressed that Cassie did the research and very much appreciated Quentin Tarantino's Hollywood fairy tale that also contained so much nostalgia for the 1960's. Tarantino's movies often contain gratuitous violence, but here I celebrated that said violence was perpetrated on the real life killers of the 8 and ½ month pregnant Sharon Tate and the other residences of the house next door. So many questions were asked in this reaction, and others have told you about Bruce Lee and about Muhammad Ali, and about Marilyn Manson and Ozzy Osborne. I always thought Marilyn Manson's name was a combination of the names Marilyn Monroe and Charles Manson. At the Playboy mansion, Sharon partied with Michelle Phillips and Mama Cass Elliot of the Mamas and the Papas singing group. Rick Dalton was digitally inserted in place of Steve McQueen for the outtake from The Great Escape. Valley of the Dolls was a great schlock y 60's soap opera about show business people which featured Sharon, that movie is so bad its good, a great guilty pleasure. I loved that Tarantino had Margot Robbie go into the movie theater and watch The Wrecking Crew and had scenes from the actual Dean Martin Matt Helm movie with the real Sharon Tate showcased. I laughed when you said about Cliff going to the Spahn Movie Ranch “Please, don't hurt him!” There was no reason for you to worry, Cliff was a complete bad ass in the movie, a total Alpha Male, in the tradition of Humphrey Bogart in The Maltese Falcon and The Big Sleep. And did everyone catch the cameo by the Maltese Falcon itself in the movie?

Celeste McAllister
>>87073639

Thanks Sticks,common ground,common sense and common courtesy..we can agree to disagree,I don't like arguments I want to show respect for Cassie..I'm sure you feel the same :)

granny_goodness

The whole film is about subverting expectations. You expect Rick to blow his role on Lancer but he doesn’t. You expect something to happen between Cliff and Pussycat and it doesn’t. You expect the Manson Family to be taking advantage of George and they’re not. You expect Cliff to get attacked at Spahn Ranch and he doesn't. You expect them to kill Sharon Tate and they don’t. You expect them to kill Cliff and Rick and they don’t. 
The movie almost completely subverts expectations.

Jeremy T Edwards

Always fun watching movies with you!

Tinkerbell

Glad you liked it Cassie! Since Tarantino has been redeemed for you, I suggest you add Kill Bill vol 1 and 2 to your list at some point. It’s a good story and is actually my personal favorite Tarantino. Uma Thurman is great in it.

Craig Russell

I have NEVER said anything bad about cassie, but this movie was SO BAD that it dropped her reaction down a couple of pegs. She was the only saving grace to this piece of bull dung.

Jeff Milcheck

So glad you enjoyed! Really thought that could go either way! And you’re right, it’s a made up fairy tale ending of what we wished would have happened. And also an ode to the Golden Age Of Film which was on its way out.... I’ve read and watched quite a lot about the Manson Family (and there’s tons out there).. The 60’s are my favorite era (even tho I wasn’t born early enough to live it)..And those Manson murders are sometimes considered to be the event that ended that era... if you’re looking to learn more about it I’d recommend the recent doc mini series Helter Skelter: An American Myth. The whole thing is actually available to watch on YouTube.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xot1jts4zmI

TinCan Cosmanaut
>>87075503

I agree Tommy. Thats one of those Rogan episodes where he has a really interesting guest with a really interesting story!

TinCan Cosmanaut
>>87054300

Bruce Lee pioneered Kung Fu movies in America. He inspired everything from Steven Segal to the Matrix.

Jeff Milcheck

Also, it seems the Bruce Lee” controversy is still alive. Here a clip of Quentin on Joe Rogan explaining him self... I’ll follow it with a bonus clip of him talking about his initial process of creating the film ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmvOEj00LB8 ...... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJTZ1qivwaA

Patrick Flanagan
>>87084602

But the point of the story is that the fantasy ending only works if you have knowledge of the gruesome reality. It's not trying to obscure what happened, it's highlighting what a true tragedy it was.

Patrick Flanagan

A few odds and ends: Kind of surprised you didn't recognize Damian Lewis. He appears briefly in the beginning as movie star Steve McQueen, explaining Sharon's relationships while at the Playboy Mansion party. Lewis played Dick Winters in BAND OF BROTHERS. The old man at the bookstore, which Sharon visits to pick up a copy of TESS OF THE D'URBERVILLES by Thomas Hardy, is played by character actor Clu Gulager. Tarantino owns a theater in L.A., the New Beverly Cinema, and Gulager is a regular patron, attending multiple shows every week. He was 90 when Tarantino asked him to film this cameo. As far as I know he's still going to shows at the Beverly every week at age 93. Also, a decade after Sharon's murder, her widower Roman Polanski directed a movie adaptation of TESS OF THE D'URBERVILLES, simply called TESS. It was a nominee for the Best Picture Oscar in 1979. Did Cliff kill his wife? The only scene we see of her, Cliff is cradling what looks like a spear gun, which slowly moves to aim at her as she rants about all his failures, and just before the cutaway we hear the sounds of waves crashing against the boat, indicating they seem to be headed into choppy waters. Maybe he pulled the trigger, maybe it went off as the boat rocked back and forth. The movie means it to be ambiguous, but there IS a definitive answer, which Tarantino told to Pitt before filming, so as to inform his acting choices. Tarantino also wrote a novelization of the movie, with more info on the characters, and it does answer the question once and for all. Speaking of books, Tarantino has also written a sort-of follow-up novel for this movie, which hasn't yet been published. It's going to be a retrospective of the acting career of Rick Dalton, diving even deeper on weaving this fictional actor into the real history of Hollywood, listing all the guest shots he had on actual TV shows, giving him roles in actual films, and even an episode guide for all 5 seasons of BOUNTY LAW (reminder that this show never existed! meaning QT made up plots for probably 100+ episodes of a TV show he'll never make). The novel is also supposed to cover the events at the end of ONCE UPON A TIME, showing how it revived Dalton's career all the way through the 1980s. At least this is what Tarantino has talked about in interviews - the finished product might be something else entirely. Squeaky, the redhead Manson Family member played by Dakota Fanning (she's the one charged with "taking care of George"), was Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme. She didn't take part in either of the 1969 massacres committed by the Family, but remained a diehard supporter of Manson after the Family broke apart. In 1975 she attempted to assassinate President Gerald Ford during his visit to Sacramento and received a life sentence.

Jeff Milcheck

Good info, but one correction: Tarantino’s book has already been published about a year ago. It was a #1 NYTimes bestseller.... I’ve read it. It has some interesting extra details. And I also dig Tarantino’s prose.... another tidbit regarding Steve McQueen. He was invited to the Tate house the night of the murders but changed his mind last minute after receiving a call from a girl he was seeing asking to hook up.... wonder if things would have turned out different had he been there.. maybe McQueen would have went all Cliff Booth on them.

Jeff Milcheck

That above response was meant to comment on Patrick Flanagan’s post. I swear I hit “quote”! Lol... I hate Patreon’s message layout.

Jeff Milcheck
>>87105012

* maybe it will work this time? Lol......... Good info, but one correction: Tarantino’s book has already been published about a year ago. It was a #1 NYTimes bestseller.... I’ve read it. It has some interesting extra details. And I also dig Tarantino’s prose.... another tidbit regarding Steve McQueen. He was invited to the Tate house the night of the murders but changed his mind last minute after receiving a call from a girl he was seeing asking to hook up.... wonder if things would have turned out different had he been there.. maybe McQueen would have went all Cliff Booth on them.

Jeff Milcheck
>>87105012

Also, the book explains if Cliff killed his wife.... but I won’t spoil it for you... 😏

Ian Cano

Wow. Cassie liked it. That caught me by surprise. 😊

Patrick Flanagan
>>87105012

I have the novelization, I'm talking about a SECOND book Tarantino has written, ALSO about Rick Dalton, which hasn't yet come out, tentatively titled THE FILMS OF RICK DALTON.

Jeff Milcheck
>>87105012

Oh damn, my bad! I had no idea there was another book coming out. Cool I guess? Although I’d rather he focus on that 10th movie.

Patrick Flanagan
>>87105012

I think his plan is to transition into prose writing completely so this is probably just testing the waters

Jeff Milcheck

Oh, and to answer the question you asked early on: “The Aviator” is my favorite Leo film.

Jeff Milcheck
>>87105012

I know that’s his plan, but I’m bummed he’s giving up movies for writing books. Do we really need a book on a fictional characters filmography? I understand his need to want to go out on top. He fears his later films won’t match his earlier work, so he wants to “drop the mic” as he says... but I feel he’s got lots more to say, film wise. Hope he reconsiders before he hits that 10th and “final” film.

Jyn Jilly
>>87107837

I've watched that movie more times than Leo said blueprints lol

Jason Chirevas

Just finished my watchalong with Cassie — my third time seeing the movie overall — and, yeah, I have to say I now think this is Tarantino’s best film. It feels as if everything else to this point was SORT of what he’s wanted to say and do as a filmmaker and everything about this film is EXACTLY what he’s always wanted to say and do as a filmmaker. I also think this is DiCaprio’s best performance. Thanks for watching with me, Cassie, I had fun. 😉👍

Michael Threapleton
>>87100737

Kill Bill's yes, but how about starting with True Romance (1993). Written by Tarantino but directed by Tony Scott. All the genetic material of what QT will become is evident in that film.

Michael Threapleton

Just finished watching the film for the first time. I have not watched the reaction; I always want to see a film “clean” first time. Wow. I think it’s a masterpiece. How did a 2h 40m film seem like it was 90 minutes? Loved, loved, loved it! My favorite QT film. Got misty eyed when Sharon came out and hugged Rick at the end. That scene with Connie Stevens and Steve McQueen was killer, kudos to Dreama Walker and Damian Lewis. It took me a moment to recognize that it was Lewis, his facial expressions were perfect. So glad they didn’t recreate the Wrecking Crew scene with Margot Robbie but showed the original with Sharon Tate, who was the best thing in that movie. My man Dean—who I love and own his entire music catalog—was on autopilot and pocketing an ‘offer he couldn’t refuse’ paycheck to play Helm one more time. On the lookout for a 1966 Cadillac Coupe DeVille now. Gorgeous. Did I mention that I loved this movie?

Brian McGovern

My favourite part of this reaction, was the part where Cassie repeated the word in the car "Poontang" LOL. I do not know if Cassie will see this, but do yourself a favour and DO NOT look up its meaning. YOu may have to wash your mouth out with soap. Since nobody else has pointed it out, but the guy who playe Sam Wanamaker (the director of the western Rick was filming, is Nicholas Hammond. He was the guy who played the original Spiderman from the TV series (I was hoping they had him appear in No Way Home in a really deep cut). He was also the oldest boy of the Von Trapp family in The Sound of Music.

Michael Threapleton

Interesting how the violent deaths at the end did not feel gratuitous or shocking, merely a small price to pay for preventing what would have happened to Sharon. The most visceral of the three was the repeated bashing in of the face on the phone and mantel. This is very reminiscent of the death of Le Tenia in the opening scene of Irréversible (2002). In that film however, which runs backwards in time, we only later witness Le Tenia's despicable crimes and then can retroactively understand his violent death which opens the film. It's a shocking and disturbing film not made any easier by some unsettling avant-garde cinematography. But the bashing in of a face in OUATIH made me think of it.

TommyJ.
>>87105012

Also Sharon Tate's Sister and her friends were suppose to there that night. Sharon wasn't suppose to be home that night too. One of the biggest lies that night is Manson sent his people to the home not knowing who was there. Ya right! I think Tarantino is saying this as well that they could have easly run into a guy like Booth and an attack dog. Frykowski and Sebring were big drug dealers as well. Sebring also cut hair for the mob. When you research the case the whole thing stinks of lies. Which lead me to the Tom O'Neill book. Manson was a CIA asset.

TommyJ.
>>87114453

Ya that was great showing the real Sharon in The Wrecking Crew. Great movie. Dean was the coolest! I want Cassie to watch Rio Bravo. She can see what a real fun western is like. When it came to the end of the movie I thought we were going to see Sharon murdered all over again. I started to have a panic attack! I did not want to see her suffer! When Booth ended up killing them I stood up in the theatre and cheered! Never have I enjoyed watching someone get murdered like those 3 assholes. Because they weren't human. No one could be after doing what they did.

TommyJ.
>>87115466

Yes I thought I was the only one who knew him. He had a good career in the 70s. I love looking out for actors from the 70s and 80s in his films. I freaked out when Matt Huston/Lee Horsley should up in Django. I wish Tarantino would put Lee Mayors in one of his films.

Stick Figure Studios
>>87115466

I grew up watching Hammond in both SPIDER-MAN and SOUND OF MUSIC... and I didn't even recognize him here. His transformation into Sam Wannamaker was so complete.

Zane From Canada

There are similarities between Rick Dalton's Hollywood career and Clint Eastwood's early Hollywood career: 1) Both starred in hit western tv shows (Bounty Law/Rawhide). 2) Both appeared in various episodes of popular tv shows at the time as guest stars. 3) Both eventually went on to make a name for themselves in the spaghetti western genre. (Funny enough, first working with Italian directors both named Sergio: Carbucci/Leone) 😁

Ike

How good of an actor do you need to be (DiCaprio) to play a declining actor that gets his lines wrong and overcomes it in a way that is visible to the audience of the movie that you’re actually in? (Is that confusing? - Because I think I confused myself, lol). Leo was awesome - I mean fantastic acting all around! By the way, did you catch actor Damian Lewis (Major Dick Winters from Band of Brothers) as Steve McQueen at the pool party?

Brian Harris

Another Tarantino meditation on the hands of fate. I much prefer this alternate history to the ones presented in Inglourious Basterds and Django Unchained. Maybe it’s because Hollywood is family to QT, so this particular story (Manson and Tate) rings especially tragic to him, but there’s a sweetness and simplicity to the ending that isn’t present in his other movies. The whole movie is an ache for a world that’s long gone, and becomes a blistering ache for a world that never was. Thanks to Tarantino’s book, we know a little about Cliff and Rick’s lives after the movie (if you want to know, you should read it) but it makes me wonder what the (albeit fictional) Rick and Cliff made of their lives in the world where the Manson Family went to the right house. Instead of being heroes, they presumably faded into the sunset of those golden years.

brooke atkins
>>87067594

He is a terrible man and rapist. Won’t step foot in this country cause he knows the feds are waiting to lock him up.

Mike McLaughlin

Enjoyed for many details in the movie that QT got right. In 68 - 72 was in HS in the LA area. All of the signage, ads, and radio announcement and station were all actual.. KHJ - Boss radio AM 970 in L.A. was the top 40 AM station. QT must have paid a mint in releases to use audio and video from actual period broadcasts.. Also, when they showed the clip of DiCaprio in "The Great Escape", it was the actual movie with DiCaprio inserted for McQueen.. Spahn Ranch is where Charlie Manson and his cult live during this period.. BTW the girl that George called Squeaky, a few years later attempted to assassinate Pres. Gerald Ford. Couple of reference videos to understand the Tate-La Bianca murders in August of 1969. The book Helter Skelter is the history of how it came about and way they prosecuted Manson and got a conviction even though he wasn't there. Written by Vincent Bugliosi . Also a made-for-TV movie 1976 that is a screen adaptation of the book. TV Movie from 2004 rent on Prime. The Haunting of Sharon Tate 2019 Hilary Duff on Prime. Kinda like .. In Hollywood, its a retelling with better outcome, pretty dark. though.

Christopher Carr

Since it happened I've just sorta steered clear of all-things Manson. My wife is transfixed by that and the Beach Boys connection.

Alan Kobb

By the way, yes, Valley of the Dolls is a movie from 1967. It was popular at the time, but got bad reviews. It was about a bunch of women in show business who descend into destructive habits. Sharon Tate's character goes from showgirl to porn actress, and eventually commits suicide. Marilyn Manson is actually Brian Warner. He named himself after Marilyn Monroe and his last name from Charles Manson.

Mike LL
>>87224268

Why drop movie spoilers on a channel dedicated to movies? I would wish we all avoided movie spoilers! I admit Valley of the Dolls is very unlikely to come up on this channel, but, why?

Phillip Ribbink

A lot of people have covered how Tarantino gave Sharon Tate a better ending in this film. He's done it before with Inglorious Basterds (I figure if you're bold enough to kill Hitler before he historically died, the Manson Family are small potatoes in comparison). The other thing I think he did though, that hasn't been mentioned. Is making the Manson family out to be what they really were. A pack of losers, that allowed themselves to be lead by a known petty criminal and a self-styled prophet. Not this sinister cult, lead by some mastermind that their notoriety has turned them into. Like you said Cassie, it demystified them.

Jason Chirevas
>>87224268

Because these guys can’t help themselves. They HAVE to let YOU know THEY know what happens in this or that movie cuz they’re cool like that. Happens here constantly.

Alan Kobb
>>87224268

She asked, I answered. I didn't invent the spoiler, JRR Tolkien did. Ever see a movie called Lord of the Rings-Return of the King? Guess what happens in it. Oh yeah, the King returned. Guess you shouldn't have been shocked.

Tara

I can understand why your cousins didn’t care for this movie, the names and incidents are from the late 60’s and would be difficult to get if you are not familiar with the names. Rick Dalton might be fictional, but when they were doing his guest starring opening clips, they were with real actors from that time and the shows. For me, the backdrop of this movie brought back a lot of memories. I grew up in the area. That town that the teenager wanted Brad’s character to drive her to, Chatsworth, is where I went to high school. Seeing Leo and Brad drive around Hollywood and up in the hills put a smile on my face and seeing the iconic theaters that I’ve driven by so many times. My best friend and I would drive around the Hollywood hills to look at the houses and wondered which famous person lived in them. I know who Charles Manson was and his cult family and that they did horrific things and I’d heard the name Sharon Tate, but wasn’t sure how they were connected, so when I saw your description, I read Sharon Tate’s wikipedia page to find out what happened to her. Such a tragic story and the fact that they only learned it was the Manson family because of an unrelated incident that ended up connecting it to her death and her friends that night. I couldn’t believe they wanted to do that to the people at the house just because Charlie had an issue with the previous owner of the home.

Tara

Cassie, you should watch What’s Eating Gilbert Grape. You asked about favorite Leo movies. He played the mentally impaired younger brother of Johnny Depp. This was before Romeo and Juliet and Titanic. I think he was around 20. He was amazing! He was nominated for an Oscar and Golden Globe

Robert Holmes
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Brad Pitt’s response about ‘manslaughter’ was one of my favorite lines ever. In the 60’s and 70’s it was common for lame karate guy to talk about being a registered weapon. I suspect QT hated it also and worked that in there.

jimmy2k4o .

The Manson killers killed 5 people that night not 4. They also killed a kid parked near by who saw them approach.

Dave Thomas

a Truly underrated performance by Damien Lewis (Band of Brothers) portraying Steve McQueen (at the playboy mansion)..he absolutely nailed it..

N M

Bruce Lee is the guy who fights with Brad Pitt. Bruce Lee was a real person/actor/martial artist who would have destroyed any stunt double in real life. Bruce Lee was a legend.

N M

The TV was left on Brad Pitts trailer all day for the dog…. So he wouldn’t be lonely.

zynjams

the bad thing was Manson sent out some more murderers out another night and killed the LaBianchas