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Emperor Augustus and I shook hands, cementing the deal.

“Do you have time for hammering out some details?” He asked as an advisor stifled a yawn. They had to work extremely hard with the whole ‘single-handedly running an empire’ thing, and I’d just demolished their entire night’s sleep.

And I’d bet so much money that Augustus would grab breakfast, freshen up for a few minutes, then get right back to the empire-running business.

“Only a few minutes, then I need to report to Ranger HQ. Daily stand-up to make sure there’s nothing we need to be dispatched on.” I gave my best ‘winningly apologetic’ tone.

“Of course, of course.” Augustus said. “The Sentinels and Rangers do such fine work, I’d never want to interfere or get in their way.”

Yet he was at the top of Night’s guesses as to why Julius had vanished, given that the balance of power of Ranger Command had tilted towards the Senate, which Augustus somewhat controlled.

I mentally shook my head.

Focus. Entirely irrelevant to the topic at hand. I was tired, and [Sunrise] was good, but didn’t substitute sleep, especially not after the emotionally taxing day and mentally taxing night.

“When is a good time for you to begin the process? Does it take particularly long?” Augustus asked.

“I could probably do the first person later today.” I mused. “The skill does have a cooldown, and I’m not quite sure how long it is.”

I thought about it for a moment.

“I hope you understand when I ask to turn you back after the policy changes are made.” I hedged a bit. He waved my concern off.

“Naturally. I hope you understand that I’d like to see a demonstration before making the large changes?”

That was fair. I’d made a lot of claims, but I hadn’t backed any of them up. Nobody had seen the gnoll, and a lot of faith had been placed in my personal honesty and integrity.

“Sure.” It was a small thing after all. My worst-case scenario was turning back some dude, then nothing happened. I’d get mightily annoyed at Emperor Augustus - to say the least - but it wasn’t the end of the world.

I’d have time to plot my revenge.

“One last note, and I’ll leave this problem for your advisors.” I said, placing a bit more trust in them than I probably should. “I believe it’d be beneficial to trace the citizenship lines of a number of women, and grant them citizenship. Sort of a retroactive thing.” I said. “It’s heritable from father to son, it’ll also be heritable from father to daughter, then from mother to son and daughter. Why not just… poke at it and make everyone who would’ve been a citizen, an actual citizen?”

“We’ll discuss it.” Leandros, the lawyer, said after a moment.

That was likely to be a no. I could argue this another day, before a bunch of Sentinels got dispatched to my villa.

“Right. I’ll swing by this evening then?” I asked Augustus.

“Agreed. Does your skill require anything to activate or operate? A sacrifice, material, anything of that nature?”

There were some skills that needed material to work, [Carpenters] being the famous example. Needed wood to [Carve], just like [Farmers] needed seeds to [Plant].

I was going to say no, then paused, getting an idea.

“No, but I recommend bringing some food a bird might like. Or just like. Some nice offerings for White Dove.”

Looks were exchanged, and there were some nervous mutterings.

“She is very real and will personally show up to curse you. I honestly wouldn’t mess with her.”

“Listen to the Classer when she’s describing her skills.” Augustus stated, without turning back.

“Anyways, it’s been great, but I really gotta run now.” I apologized, but waited a brief moment for Augustus to nod and dismiss me.

I could have just left and stepped on his toes a bit, but why bother? Manners and politeness never killed anyone.

I stepped out of the Senate, taking a moment to stretch and bask in the light of the sun, rising just above the horizon. I took a deep breath as the sun kissed my skin.

It felt like freedom.

A different type to be sure. It wasn’t physical shackles that had been lifted from me, more emotional ones that I’d lived with for so long, I’d forgotten they existed.

Speaking of chains, it was time to tend to the one I’d voluntarily placed on myself.

My stomach grumbled as I made my way to Ranger HQ, which was blessedly close by. Most of the fancy government buildings were somewhat clustered together.

In no time at all, I was in the meeting room. I’d slightly misjudged how late the meeting started, the current time, and how far away the Senate was from Ranger HQ, and I was early.

Much better than being so late that Hunting and co were dispatched to see what was up.

The Sentinels trickled in one at a time.

“Most excellent.” Night said once we’d all arrived. “Does anyone have any items of concern before we discuss yesterday’s activities?”

“Possible problem.” Ocean said. “Heard a few reports of a Ranger team of one person going around. However, it’s unclear which team it is, and they’re not following a known route, nor do they seem to be on a return trip to Arminium after a team wipe.”

“Could the reports be out of order? Dates mixed up?” Nature asked. Ocean nodded.

“Could be Team 5 if three dates are swapped and they detoured.”

“Is this concern actionable at this time?” Night politely asked. Ocean gave a slow nod.

“Anyone sitting in on Ranger Command meetings, keep an ear out.”

I sent off a quick prayer to all the gods and goddesses that my name wouldn’t come out of the hat for sitting in on a few Ranger Command meetings. They were bad enough when I was the star of the show. Sitting around?

Bleack.

“Are there any other matters?” Night formally asked.

“Got a somewhat important one.” Acquisition said. “Of all people, Dawn’s got a price on her head. One dead, and a large one alive.”

That would scare me more if I wasn’t on team Night, although it did send a little trace of fear through me. Who wouldn’t have a moment of ‘oh shit’ when told that random people wanted them dead?

Still. Between my healing and magic, I had complete confidence that I could handle any problems. My biggest concerns would be someone going after Auri or Autumn or any other family members.

“Tell me everything. This will not be permitted to stand.” Night leaned forward, a predatory gleam in his eye. “I want names, locations, the fake sponsors, the real sponsors, everything.” He practically hissed, and I foresaw a violent night. “As soon as the meeting ends, Acquisition, meet with me.”

Welp. Alrighty then. Mission for someone not called Elaine!

“On that note. Dawn. Ocean. I must have a discussion with the two of you as well after this.” Night said. “Onto other events of interest.”

There wasn’t anything else, and we did a quick recap of our rescue of Acquisition the prior day. Each of us involved told us the story from our own point of view.

Which was remarkably the same, except for Hunting. Travel, burst into the building, kill everyone hostile to us - or everyone they found, depending on the Sentinel in question - save Acquisition’s kids.

“Acquisition. It is time for your portion of the tale.” Night said.

“Ok, sure.” He leaned forward, capturing all of our attention. What Acquisition did wasn’t exactly well-known, and after I’d leveled up a bunch, he was easily the oddest Sentinel.

“As you know, I keep a pulse on the undercity. The best thief in Remus and all that.” He waved his hand. “It’s something of an open secret that I’m a Sentinel to the various gangs, but it’s also a secret. Not everyone’s in the know. I play it off that I’ve stolen a job, and manage to steal a bunch of money, authority, etc, by being a Sentinel. Whenever I’m challenged, I get to respond by asking who else can brazenly walk into the Senate, steal a senator’s coin purse, and openly walk back out, with the guards saluting me the entire time?”

He shrugged, like it was perfectly normal.

“All in all, I’m a well-known wealthy commodity to the underground. The issue is, it makes me a target. I don’t bother you all when my vaults are broken into, my coins taken, or mysterious notes are left under my pillow. Standard [Thief] shenanigans really. I just find out who did it, take my stuff back, and generally embarrass them in some way. I keep it non-lethal, to stop any ideas about true revenge. Keeps most of the riff-raff away, but those with drive, those that burn, they go after me.”

He paused a quick moment for questions. Seeing that we had none, he continued.

“The Blackstorms took that for weakness, and weren’t around the last time Night had a gentle discussion with the local gangs about their activities relating to Sentinels. They had already been on my radar for causing issues, and I was this close to going to Ranger Team 1 about them.” Acquisition pinched his fingers real close.

“Came home two nights ago to find my kids gone, and a ransom note. It didn’t mention anything about being a Sentinel, but it did warn me not to go to the guards or the Rangers. It had a carefully prescribed route that I needed to take, along with the amount they wanted. I figured I’d play along, get my kids back safe, then rain hell on them. Money can be easily reacquired, my kids less so. I left a hundred different clues around my place, in such a way that whoever might’ve been watching me wouldn’t be able to tell.”

He gave a nod to Hunting, who nodded back.

Acquisition gave a detailed accounting of everything the Blackstorms wanted him to do, along with the counter-measures he’d taken. Subtle, but there.

“In the end, I was in the middle of the handoff when you all came knocking. Tried to teleport the knife out of the goon’s hands, but only got one. Other one had a skill that interfered. Hostile teleports and all that. Shit timing on your part, a tiny amount of time later and we would’ve been clear. Fortunately, Dawn was around. Spent the rest of the day at home.” Acquisition finished.

Yeah I’d totally spend the rest of the day with Auri if she’d been kidnapped and almost murdered. Probably take off a few more days while I was at it.

We had a long discussion about Acquisition’s choices, and how to better handle hostage situations in the future. What each of us would’ve done. How we would’ve handled it.

In the end, we ended up agreeing that Acquisition had handled it nearly perfectly. Get the kids to safety. Deal with the perpetrators after.

We had Hunting after all.

The meeting broke up, and the rest of the Sentinels went about their business. For Acquisition and Night, that meant talking about the potential assassins after me. They had a long technical talk about who was involved, and what type of message they’d each be turned into.

Some worked best being simply ‘disappeared’. Others were going to have a ‘heart attack’ in the middle of the night, and never wake up. A few were going to have their body parts scattered artfully in various plazas.

I had a strong stomach, medicine and all that. I’d been elbow-deep in gore plenty.

Their clinical descriptions of ‘should the arms be in one piece, or two? How many bones in their hand do we break, and how obvious do we make it’ turned my stomach, and those were simply the gentlest descriptions.

Ocean occasionally added in comments, about how so and so was in an alliance with this other person, and how they’d take it.

Acquisition and Night finished up, and I was left oddly conflicted. I reminded myself that they had chosen violence themselves, and it was better to handle it now, rather than regretfully stand over mom’s body.

I moved on as Acquisition left.

“Dawn. I would like to discuss your activities from last night.” Night said, and I focused.

Just how bloody good was his intel network that he already knew!?

“What about them?”

“You are walking a dangerous path.” Night’s tone was neutral, but I knew him. Displeased wasn’t the start of it and I went cold. “Today, you fix one injustice. You pay a hefty price, carelessly, without thinking. You enable a powerful man to stay in power longer, causing stagnation. Abuses. The normal wheel of time that permits transfers of power has been broken, and there is no telling what disaster he will cause down the line.”

I was getting heated.

“So what am I supposed to do?” I cut Night off. “Just live my whole life as a second class citizen? Be at the mercy of whoever my closest male relative is, for eternity? Permit Remus to continue to be as poor and shitty as it is? What’s the fucking point of it all, if I don’t make life better for others!?”

Night’s narrowed eyes and clipped tone were the only indications I had that he was equally mad. He just controlled it better.

“Yes. You fix one injustice today. You fix a second tomorrow. You look at the world around you, and believe that you can remake it in your image. Perfect. All will be right in the world, if only Sentinel Dawn was fully in charge.” He practically spat at me. “Every dictator believes the same thing. They look at the world, see that it is wrong, and move to reimage it to their liking. You are doing the same, while being a true Immortal. How do you know that your image is right? That it is just, and good? How do you know you are not simply borrowing trouble later down the road?”

I had the perfect retort.

“Because I’ve lived in that world.” I snarled back. “I’ve lived in a world where there were hundreds of governments, and history of a thousand more. I’ve directly seen the results of these policies. I’ve read the history of them being created and implemented. I’ve seen, with my own two eyes, how life is improved by them. I know. God-touched by Papilion, remember?”

The silence stretched between us. Ocean nervously coughed.

“Excuse me. I’d like to add in a few words.” We both turned to look at him.

“Emperor Augustus was already pressuring Dawn into using her skill on him. Either way, she was pulled into politics against her will. With our power and levels, we know this happens from time to time.” He gently rebuked Night. “Yes, her skill has an uncomfortable parallel with you being asked to turn someone into a vampire.”

There was a brief awkward pause, and I was reminded about Night’s stories about the vampire civil wars.

Or rather - the first vampire civil war. He’d said nothing about the other ones, and I had to wonder if there was some additional uncomfortable history I didn’t know about partially driving Night.

“With the amount on offer, there was going to be moving and shaking, even if Dawn ‘merely’ accepted her patriarch becoming a senator. It would be even worse if Dawn outright refused. We’d bear the brunt of Augustus’s displeasure. Right?”

I gave a small nod, while Night continued to laser in on Ocean.

“Anyways, with all that said. Dawn, your proposed changes were a bit much. We try, as Sentinels, to remain neutral. We don’t always succeed. With that being said, we stick together. We support each other. Getting personally involved in politics always inadvertently drags the rest of us into things, and we’re suddenly obligated in ways we don’t want to be. Let me make up a ridiculous example. Pretend the late Sealing - who never would’ve suggested such a thing, ridiculous example remember? - suggested that there should be a law that all women have to give birth to five children before they’re 30.”

I narrowed my eyes at Ocean, who held up his hands.

“Ridiculous example! Anyways, pretend one morning you show up to the daily meeting, and BOOM! Sealing’s played politics, and gotten a new law passed! People are now unhappy with him, some are happy, and presto, we now need to band together to protect Sealing, and suddenly other people are sniffing at us for more favors. Now we’re spending as much time fending them off, defending policies we don’t like, and not doing our jobs. Politics.” Ocean practically spat.

I felt a tiny bit of embarrassment. Ocean was the Sentinel who needed to keep a pulse on all things political, and he hated it. I’d probably just kicked over the hornets nest for him.

Would still do it again in a heartbeat.

“Either way, I believe you are amassing power and abusing your Immortality in a way that shall cause me significant problems down the line.” Night said. “I understand where you are coming from. You went out, and solved a problem close and dear to your heart. It speaks well for your character, that you do not simply take this lying down. You are one of my Sentinels. However. The way you went about it speaks poorly of your judgment. Your faith in other Sentinels. Your ability to work with us, to find a method to present the solution in a less ham-fisted hammer. At a point of political meddling, you become a power, a player on the field. If that is how you act, if that is what you wish to be, I will treat you as such. You will no longer have Acquisition looking out for assassins for you. You will no longer have me fixing problems of your own making. You will be, for better or for worse, a player, with everything that entails, for better or for worse. If you do not wish to be a player, then cease acting like one, and we shall no longer have an issue.”

I’d been forming counter-arguments against what he said. Ready to bring up that he was willing to treat me like a progenitor.

My mouth snapped shut at the end, as the full implications of what he was saying sank in. As the earlier discussion that Night and Acquisition had fully sank in.

Night was, as always, right. If I started to enact large-scale changes, if I had Emperor Augustus’s ear and kept twisting it, I’d find myself chest-high in the shithole of politics. I’d already made some compromises, how many more would I make?

And I was dragging the rest of the Sentinels into the mess, kicking and screaming. How would I like it if, say, Nature decided that roads were an affront to nature, and had to go, and lobbied to stop building and paying for roads? I’d be annoyed that I was suddenly, involuntarily in the mess. I liked roads!

Bit silly - I thought all the changes I wanted to do were right and correct, and nobody would object to them. However, I didn’t know the secret inner workings of the rest of the Sentinels. Maybe some were fervently against government intervention, hated taxes, and would simply be upset that their taxes were going up just for the government to meddle more in people’s lives.

Friction.

I’d been debating dozens of policy changes, along with working out how to get the leverage to make it happen. For every force though, there was a counterforce, even if it was only human greed. My plans?

Yeah. Night was right - I’d be acting like, and looking a lot like, a small [Empress], the [Power Behind the Throne]. That wasn’t a world I wanted to get involved in, but I did want to tackle the indignities and shit of the world.

“I’d like to meet you in the middle.” I leaned forward and proposed to Night. “We’re all Sentinels. All Rangers. You wouldn’t ask any of us to turn away from corruption, from doing what is right. No matter the risk to us.”

Night nodded. “That is the precise reason Ranger training is designed that way. I expect nothing less than the best.”

“And this is me giving my best.” I countered back. “Let’s compromise. If I see some particularly egregious issue, I bring it to you. We discuss. We see if there’s a way to handle it in a way you’d approve of. Alright?”

“Dawn’s got a point. I don’t see the same issues she does, she’s got a unique perspective. Remember the dockworkers issue 20 years ago? That was heading towards open rebellion, but we stepped in and pressured the people in power to make changes before issues happened. Dawn’s actions, while ridiculously, foolishly, heavy-handed aren’t that much different.” Ocean pointed out. “Honestly, if she’s stopped even one rebellion with what she’s done, we’d call that a win.”

Night thought about it for some time.

“There are a few points I would like to discuss…”

Night, Ocean and I continued to talk about the issue for hours, before coming to the conclusion.

“Alright. When you see an issue offensive to you in the extreme, bring it to me, and we shall discuss.” Night agreed.

I closed my eyes and slumped back in my nice chair.

At last.

I needed to get home, and get some damn sleep.

Sadly, duty called.

Comments

David Brims

Leaving aside whether Night is right or wrong here (and it's a matter where we learn he can't be entirely objective due to his past), I'd like to say: I am VERY IMPRESSED with Night's demonstrated leadership in this chapter. Why? Because he's angry with Dawn for what she's done and how she did it, but instead of berating her straight away he carries on and holds the whole meeting as normal, deals with all other issues (including threats to Elaine), then ensures that the only person present other than Elaine and himself is Ocean, their political and consensus expert, BEFORE he has a go at Elaine. THAT PART WAS GREAT. Whatever the merits of the argument that then occurred, that is is the sort of thing I like to see in leadership where I work. Kudos, Selkie, for writing it that way!

Nematrec

Hmm. Is Papilion going to show up for Dawns triumph and congratulate her on changing on the sweeping change she just started?

AntiClimax she her

I wonder if the seeds of the Valkyries was sown in this chapter? Night basically said that if she acted like a player she'd forgo the protections afforded to his pieces. As a result, she may need to gather other strong like-minded people of her own. Also, the issues of integration in the armed forces and guard, not to mention enforcement make a women led organization to give women a place to go and to protect women's interests (and other vulnerable people) sound appealing.

Signspace

Papillion is a *big fucking deal*, like, helped create the planet deal. The occurrences is in Remus are likely very, very low on his personal radar. Isekaing Elaine was basically house cleaning for them, and it is possible they have never thought of it since.

Nematrec

Regardless of if he shows up, I'll be very disappointed if one of her 512 class options isn't "Dawn of change" now.

AntiClimax she her

There is no 512 class up. Next one (other than 3rd class) is 256+512 - 768 Dawn of change could be a cool class name, though.

Nematrec

What even is the math for figuring out when you get a class up then?

AntiClimax she her

Until 256 it's generally powers of 2 with the exception of when they get a class unlock. At 256 it looks like it switches from exponential to linear, so instead of 2^x it's 256x. There's no class up at 512 because there's a class unlock. That's my understanding anyway. Edit: 16 seems to be an exception as well, since unlocks are at 8, 64, and 512, but no class up at 16.

Cirvante

If the Valkyries were actually over 20,000 years old, they'd be a way bigger deal than they are. In Iona's time they are comparable to other knightly orders, so my guess would be maybe one or two thousand years max.

Anonymous

That lone maybe ranger could be Iona getting send to the past.

Bbyh

Maybe, having iona come to Elaine's time would solve a lot of issues i.e. the potential yeeting of established characters after an Elaine time shift.

Cirvante

While I understand Night's position in regards to being blindsided by Elaine's hamfisted attempts to play politics, his arguments for not improving circumstances are weak. As others have pointed out, for all his supposed political neutrality he has been going to great lengths to enforce the status quo in the name of maintaining stability. Framing Elaine as a well-meaning and short-sighted tyrant for trying to improve society is a weak argument, considering how many rebellions and uprisings the government and his organization had to quell due to his passivity. He doesn't involve himself in politics because he thinks that he's unsuited for it, yet enforces the politics of others and thereby prevents meaningful changes and improvements. Case in point, he can't actually argue that Elaine's reforms are bad, so all he can come up with is 'What makes you think you know best?' And claiming that Elaine is enabling stagnation through rejuvinating a dictator is rich coming from the greatest enabler of stagnation in Remus since Creation. Still, for all his personal faults he did handle the meeting very well from a leadership perspective. And I really like Ocean for being the voice of reason as always.

AntiClimax she her

To be clear, in not suggesting that Elaine will found the Valkyries, at least not the same ones of which Iona is a member. I'm more suggesting that she may be forced to create a similar organization in order to protect her interests as a player -- unless of course she's able to placate Night enough such that she keeps his backing. Champion of the status quo that Night is, I don't think that even if she manages to placate him that it would be a good thing for her and elvenoid rights in the long run. If losing Night's backing leads Elaine to found a women lead mirror to the rangers, and such an organization inspires the founding of the Valkyries, I would consider such seeds sown.

Cirvante

Iona would be nearly unstoppable in Remus when protecting others. At the head of a revolution she could give Night a run for his money. Her Oath-boosted stats are just stupidly high and her new [Paladin] class only makes her more ridiculous. And she's rocking a skill-boosted Mallium knight armor, while Remus armor is Roman-style garbage.

Squirtle

Unfortunately, you can't go back in time, only forward

Cirvante

That would be a veeery long-term investment, which she doesn't have the time and skills for. Artemis's school would be a good candidate. I'd love to see her reaction to Elaine's reforms anyway, but sponsoring more girls and orphans to join and helping to train them up would be a good start. Also, just in case that Night revokes her protections, she could theoretically deal with Acquisition directly. While it was during an official mission, she did save his kids. And she's pretty friendly with Hunting as well. Offering them immortality would be far less questionable than giving it to the emperor and his senator allies. So while Night may not go on murder sprees for her anymore, she can still cultivate the other Sentinels and Artemis as powerful allies. Not that I think that she should become a player, considering how easily duped and fleeced she is. Negotiating with her is like stealing candy from a child.

AntiClimax she her

She certainly has the time for it. I don't want to see her become a player myself, but there is a path to it for her: recruiting people with the skills she lacks, such as Artemis and Autumn. Hell, I'd love to see Cassia given a chance to redeem herself in Elaine's eyes. It might be a way to redeem herself in Glacia's eyes even (not that she really cares). Also, like most things, if she does end up starting such an organization it'll likely be stumbling into it just like most everything else, rather than a conscious decision. She does have other options, but over her considerable lifetime if her opinions continue to conflict with the sentinels her options pretty much boil down to joining an organization that does align with her or disappearing from the public eye or I suppose reforming the sentinels. The last seems unlikely, though a schism between Night and Dawn factions could happen.

AntiClimax she her

I'm not sure time travel in either direction has been established (apart from the mundane of course).

Squirtle

@cirvante I think you're very wrong. Its not stealing candy from a child, its stealing the clothes off a dead body

Skydda Dragontooth

It's been hinted that Lux was a past incarnation of Elaine so I ask where you got that idea from.

Melting Sky

Just because something is old doesn't mean that it is huge. The Valkeries are currently in decline for instance. Organizations tend to begin and then end small. It's inbetween that can vary so much.

Melting Sky

His arguments are quite valid. Dawn just created an immortal dictator in order to buy some social equality. Do you have any idea how bad a trade that could end up being? "Remember the three thousand years that Hitler ruled the world as its undisputed God-King? Yeah, that sucked."

Anonymous

I'm pretty sure time travel has been established, Night specifically mentiones that fairies can force people forward in time but he never said that they can't do it backwards. About her equipment the only thing I worry about is the drake the rest is kinda busted atm. I mostly got the idea because Iona mentioned in her first chapter that she dreamed of living in old remus. And her language skill is just extremely suited for getting jeeted back in time. Abou the power scaling thing I worry more about the drake then the armor and whatnot. The armor just got mostly destroyed in the accounter with mama drake. Yes she would be extremely strong but remus kinda needs some stronger fighters for the comming war with the shimagu.

Daniel Sifrit

He is not immortal.. she is just able to heal the effects of aging. I am still irritated that White Dove considers it the same as immortality. (I still think Elaine needs to come to terms with her - given the fact that its is only immortality as long as keeps being reset) In theory she could de-age herself one day every morning, how is WD going to treat one day? When is it "too much?"

Cirvante

It's not valid at all. If Augustus ever becomes bad enough that he needs to be removed for the good of humanity, he will be removed. Even a level 700 Augustus can still be taken out, he has neither a combat class nor is able to outlevel the Sentinels. His guards may as well not exist when it comes to protecting him from the Sentinels. Every rejuvenation will give him a few hundred years more, but with how it's possible to punch up with certain classes, he'll never be invincible. He did say that trying to end slavery would get him assassinated before he could change anything. He is very aware of how tenuous his position is and how easily he could be removed. He can only enjoy his immortality, if he rules well, listens to his advisors and maintains his alliances. So an Augustus that rules for several thousand years is one that rules Remus well. And let's not kid ourselves and pretend that the senatorial republic before the Empire was so much better. If anything, Emperor Augustus and Elaine leveraging her immortality for socisl reforms are the best thing that have happened for Remus in a long time, aside from destroying the Formorians. Shit's finally getting done and while he's unable to end slavery, if he goes for the reform of giving free food to the poor (who are at the highest risk for debt slavery), then there will be fewer and fewer slaves in the future and Remus can slowly transition to a different economic model. So as hamfisted as Elaine's attempts at playing politics are, she is literally making the best out of the situation. As Ocean said, Augustus was always going to pressure her for her immortality skill and denying him would have seriously hurt the Rangers. So Night claiming she's at fault for creating an immortal dictator is just dumb. You don't like him? Do something about it, Mr. Assassin Sentinel. But don't shove your thumbs up your arse and blame the one person who's actually trying to make things better.

Anonymous

Almost all the worst villians of the world were trying to make things better. Her doing this on her own without consulting night about it seems extremely foolish and just going well they habe the moral highground doesnt matter if the results csn be disasterous. The move she made is tremendous in implications and shifts in power structure that could cause issues decades down the line that may be even harder to solve. This is not to say her goals were not valid.

Anonymous

Just Elaine being a typical feminist, not thinking but feeling her way through the world. Pushing her agenda no matter the collateral.

Anonymous

even if the king does gain more time from elaine's skill, there is also the curse he's going to receive from white dove, he could lose the ability to make smart decisions for the kingdom or make it so he will be deaf to all the advice anyone has for him as a result of the curse or white dove could curse him with something like insanity to offset the kings long rule making things worse

Stuart Thwaites

I see where you're coming from. The typical feminist is overly aggressive in their pursuits. But the key word is 'aggressive'. Elaine isn't being aggressive but emotional and always been driven by her emotions. My issue with this situation isn't Elaine's rush for results but the Emperor and his advisers making no attempt to slow things down. They presumably have high level classes and skills related to governance and should know better than to make such a dramatic change to the social structure and not expect rebellion... HELL they axed the slavery thing because of the rebellion issue.

Cirvante

Except Elaine and his advisors and possibly Night will be there to hear White Dove's curse. You think if he gets a curse compromising his ability to rule the Empire they are just going to do nothing about it? You're acting as if there's nothing to keep the guy in check. Maybe take a few minutes reading up on how many Roman Emperors got murdered by their own Praetorian Guard, it's quite enlightening.

Cirvante

Well, after they axed the slavery bit, they had to give in on her second demand or she was gonna walk and possibly strengthen her negotiating position by getting actually capable people to help her. Here they had an opportunity to fleece her and while they tried to argue against emancipation of women, they couldn't just straight up say no without axing the negotiation. Also keep in mind that with the Formorians eradicated, Remus doesn't have the need for women as breeding machines anymore to stave off extinction. It's possible that the wind was already blowing in that direction politically anyway and they just accelerated the process. Though I find it unfair to compare Elaine to some rabid 3rd wave feminists, considering that unlike our western countries Remus is actually in dire need of a healthy dose of feminism. I'd consider her to be more of an egalitarian anyway.

AntiClimax she her

The comments in the last few chapters are really bumming me out.

elijah pickett

I love Knight's argument. Not because I particularly believe in it, but because of how consistent it is with his character and experiences. Every time he's trying to make positive change he's screwed it up and this has him worried. I also love how Elaine made the decision. She did something she was passionate about that was truly wonderful for the world but she really didn't do it in the best possible way. Which is also very consistent! This whole story in world is full of people that have actual thought processes and stuff that lead them to their decisions. And while there's definitely going to be consequences for it, I'm excited to see the good it will do.

Anonymous

Im going to guess, that the woman decided to not be citizens and make a matrons court that is parallel to the mens

Anonymous

well, as much as I hated her going about it so badly w/o clear reason, this is a nice example of how I think one can write youthful errors; limited understanding/insight, which they then learn and grow in the narrative. So, her mistake of dabbling heavy handedly in politics was nicely treated as a growth opportunity. Doing it *that* stupidly? I still feel that was just lazy. Sorry.

Robert

What about them in particular? I'm just curious.

AntiClimax she her

I feel like that's a really hard question to answer without opening myself to unproductive argument. Basically, though, it's disheartening to see people (men particularly) either dismiss sexism as a possibility altogether in fantasy worlds or believe that sexism is inevitable because of biology. That's not even true in our world. It is in my opinion neither inevitable nor impossible, and the cause is likely more cultural than biological, even if biology does play a role.

Robert

I'll respect your wish to avoid argument, because I'll agree that a comment section is never a great place to have the nuiance of someone's perspective come through. I agree with you on basically everything you've said. I think it would be ridiculous to try and claim that sexism would be impossible in a fantasy world, or even this fantasy world. The fact that they are in the dead zone if anything makes it more likely for gender roles and society to develop more similarly to our own since the restrained levels keep numbers lower, as compared to the rest of their world where the numbers and skills eventually get ridiculous. I would also agree that sexism is more cultural than biological, but successful cultures are build around necessity. For instance, I don't believe that women's rights would be much different now than they were 500 years ago if the industrial revolution had not completely shifted the necessities of the cultures. My major problem isn't with the existence of sexism in the story itself, it's with how the sexism is portrayed given what we know of how the system works. I don't feel like the specific form of the sexism lines up very well, or even really that the system is taken into account in how it's portrayed at all. Either way, thanks for your reply. Have a nice one.

usa1ph

Gotta agree. I still don't care for last chapter but this goes a long long way to making it feel better.

Eyke

Duuuuuuuuude! She went from "this is what I can get for making one guy immortal" to "I'm getting less than I wanted and making eight guys immortal", which is just extremely frustrating to read no matter how I look at it.

Anonymous

She can stop granting him fresh years any time, and the White Dove curses tend to increase the chance of death in some way.

Anonymous

If feminists WEREN'T aggressive and strong willed, then women wouldn't have gained rights. You HAVE to fight the system in order to change the system, otherwise those with power will always have power.