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After spending so long in the baths that the slowly-eaten mangos were but a distant memory, and I was in serious risk of transforming into a raisin - the next stage in bath-wrinklyness after prune - I decided to get out. I had shopping to do! Hair, tunic, sandals, a knife, and whatever other odds and ends I could think of while out and about.

I got up, made it back to the changing room, got dressed, and left the building.

There was a full squad of guards right outside the bathhouse, talking with an employee.

“Yeah, her!” The employee pointed to me, and I stopped. The guards hustled over, surrounding me.

“Can I help you?”

The guards were looking grouchy.

“Who’s your husband?” The squad leader asked.

“Don’t have one.”

“Father?”

“Elainus.”

The guards quickly traded looks. One of them muttered “I don’t know an Elainus.”

“Does he live here?”

“No, Arminium.”

“Right. You’re under arrest.”

“For what?”

“Seven counts of breaking into the city, seven counts of evading the city toll, three counts of solicitation on the docks without a permit, two counts of theft, one count of menacing and intimidation, three counts of assault against a citizen, and forty-four counts of disturbing the peace.”

Well. When the guards put it that way. I suppose I hadn’t exactly been the model of a law-abiding citizen. I liked guards. I generally got along with them… except for right now.

Oh no.

OH NO.

I’d been acting like an adventurer! Blazing through the town in weird clothes, ignoring all the rules, and provoking the guard’s ire!

Still, I knew how to talk with them. I was confident that I could just explain myself, and it’d be alright. I wasn’t going to keep acting like a two-bit adventurer.

“Alrighty! Lead the way!” I cheerfully told the squad, who looked somewhat taken aback at my happy cooperation. Not exactly the usual response to being arrested for a dozen crimes.

From the sound of it, I was known to the guards. Just talking with the leader of a squad wouldn’t be good enough to get my name cleared. I’d need to talk with the captain at least, and that wasn’t going to happen here.

No, better to be cooperative. It’d make clearing everything up that much easier. Get to the main guardhouse, show the captain my Sentinel badge in my pocket, apologize, and make amends.

Except for the “assault on a citizen” business. Ooooh, that one boiled my blood. Defending myself from harassment was “assault on a citizen”??

Well. The dude had clearly complained to the guard. Maybe I could get the guards to go harass him instead. It was abusing my power just a hair… but it wasn’t invalid.

The guards surrounded me, and one of them - younger looking, with lower levels - put his hand on my shoulder. I rolled my eyes as he put one hand on my shoulder, and tried to stop my mana regeneration using [Guardsman Buff] or something similar.

Yeah. Good luck guard. You’ll probably get some decent experience for the skill trying to use it on me, although with how cooperative I was? It wasn’t going to be a lot.

“I think my skill’s on the fritz.” The guard reported.

“Guardsman. Explain.”

“It keeps finding purchase. I thought after three applications it didn’t work anymore?”

The squad leader frowned, and put a hand on my shoulder.

I kept a poker face. I was sitting on close to a million points of mana regeneration an hour. I wasn’t sure if the entire town’s guard working in concert could turn it off.

Well. I was being cooperative. It didn’t mean I couldn’t mess with them a little. I gave them my best wide-eyed stare, and channeling Brawling a bit, asked them a ‘naive’ question.

“Is something the matter? I’m doing my best to cooperate.”

I got a withering look that suggested my tone hadn’t exactly been ‘totally innocent’. I was reminded why I didn’t play extended sessions of cards or dice.

I was briskly marched over to the guardhouse, then marched to one of their small rooms. They took my sack, coins, mango pits, spare dress, gems and all. I was still holding onto my badge though - that I wouldn’t give up. One of the guards reached for my egg.

Just like my badge, I wasn’t going to let anyone take eggy, but at the same time, it’d be easier if I let them find out for themselves. I had faith in my reflexes and my shield being able to protect eggy from any harm one guard could perform.

Plus, the usual reaction to touching something hot was to let go, not break it.

“I wouldn’t do that!” I warned the guard. If looks could kill, I’d be flying with Black Crow right now.

“Prisoner. You don’t tell me what to do.” He sneered at me, touching the egg with his hand.

The guardroom smelled like a barbeque, and I was getting flashbacks to Ochi and the shimagu, the memories raw and fresh. He screamed and jerked his hand away.

“What is that!?”

“Hot.” I deadpanned back, darting my hand out to tap him and heal him of his burn.

The squad leader didn’t look too happy with me.

“Right. Going to add one count of importing dangerous objects, and one count of assaulting a guard to your charges.”

I sat down at the small table in the room and knuckled my forehead. Yikes.

I took my Sentinel Badge out of my pocket, and put it on the desk.

“Could I please see the guard captain?” I asked.

“And one count of impersonating a Ranger. Poorly. That’s not what the Ranger badge looks like, and the squad’s currently in town. I know all of them, and you’re not one of them.”

“It’s the Sentinel badge!”

“Annnnnnnd one count of lying to a guard. I’m not sure what you’re doing. Are you trying to get the longest, harshest sentence possible? Do you have some sort of bet with a friend, trying to see how many charges you can get in a day? I promise you, it’s not funny. This isn’t a game, miss.”

Welp. This was going from bad to worse. Still wasn’t in any danger, and I did want to clear this up peacefully. I’d been reaching towards violence as the answer far too often, but it wasn’t called for in this situation. These were guards! My people!

I just crossed my arms.

“Let me guess. You wouldn’t want to bother the Ranger team with an imposter either.” My voice was heavy with sarcasm.

“Exactly. I’m glad you’re starting to understand how serious this all is. I’m doing you a favor.”

Favor my ass.

“Fine. I guess I’ll just wait here until the Praetor, magistrate, or captain shows up then?”

“Yes.”

The guards filed out of the room, and he slammed the door shut. I settled into the chair, and waited.

And waited.

The egg moved again, and I looked at it in anticipation. Was it time?

A tapping noise seemed to affirm that, yes, it was time.

Then nothing happened. Boo. That’ll teach me to arbitrarily give meaning to stuff.

And waited.

Port Salona was far enough north to be tropical, and the temperature was sweltering, even at this time of year. The guardhouse was built out of stone, and this room had no windows or anything.

The heat wasn’t the problem. The sweat was.

I was basically cooking in my own sweat. After I’d had a bath and everything.

It was less about the heat, and more about the sticky sweat getting everywhere, and ruining all of my efforts. I’d need another bath, and screw anyone calling me soft for taking two baths in a day.

They were taking their sweet time, although with nothing to mark the passage of time, I had no idea how long it was.

I realized part of the issue was my Deception Ring. They would’ve taken me a lot more seriously if I was showing up as deep red, and not like a little 128 healer. I’d kept it that low from Ochi, and I’d had a quick thought earlier that I wanted things to be somewhat “normal”.

Well, that was all out the window now. I set my level back to my real level.

Finally, the squad leader and a few other guards came back, along with the jackass from earlier.

“Elaine,”

How did they know my name? Right. They’d asked for my dad’s name, and it was simply impossible that I would’ve been named for anything besides my dad. Made me want to roll my eyes.

“You’ve been found guilty of a frankly staggering array of crimes. Citizen Spurius here has purchased the debt you’ve accumulated, and has ownership of you for the next thirty years. Please do not resist.”

Ok. Wow. This went from “clear up a misunderstanding” to “something is terribly wrong” in no time at all.

Bloody freakin’ entitled citizens. Today was supposed to be a day off! I didn’t want to work!

“What happened to having a trial?” I asked. The squad leader looked smug, pulling out a scroll.

“If you look here, you’ll see that you did have a trial with magistrate Gnaeus, where you admitted your guilt. Well. You would see if you could read.”

My eyebrows would’ve climbed into my hairline, if I had one.

“Being able to buy off my own debt?”

Another guard laughed at me.

“With the amount assessed? Impossible!”

“And my belongings?”

“What belongings? You just came here like that, right?” A third guard asked, to noises of agreement from everyone else. Spurius started to stomp over, and I flickered [Mantle], dividing the room in half.

“These are fairly major violations of the Sixteen Tablets.” I pointed out.

Spurius snorted at me.

“Yeah, whatever. Get over here, I’m going to make you scream before the sun sets. Humiliating me in front of everyone like that. I’ll show you. You’ll regret the day-”

I interrupted him.

“Right, thank you everyone. That’ll be all.”

Rangers. We did a lot. Fought monsters. Investigated plagues.

On our endless list of duties?

Internal affairs. Usually for the army, but we were also empowered to act upon the town’s guard when the situation called for it. Assuming they weren’t operating with the governor’s blessing.

The governor in a town basically owned the guards. They reported to him, he hired them and paid them. If they were running loose, and the governor approved? Then, and only then, was it no longer a Ranger matter, but an issue for the Senate. The approved process was to go to Ranger Command, report the issue, and have the Senators on Ranger Command report back to the Senate, who would potentially strip the governor of his governorship.

It happened every 300 years or so. Often enough that governors were leery of abusing their powers too hard.

Mundane corruption? That was more common.

Wish I could ask them if the governor was in on this. It’d make life that much easier, but alas, things were moving too fast now.

Spurius bounced off my shield, and the guards were looking angry. I didn’t think my shield could withstand constant hitting from all of them, so I followed it up with [Kaleidoscope], a field of butterflies hovering in the air between us.

“Don’t touch them. They’re explosive.” I cautioned them, before dropping [Mantle].

The guardhouse was single story, and I looked up, finding a promising spot.

“What are you-” The squad leader started to yell at me, but I ignored him. I unleashed a beam of Radiance, as thick around as my wrist, at the ceiling.

Light exploded throughout the room, the side effect of my powerful magic enough to get the guards to clutch at their eyes. Spurius was screaming that I’d blinded him.

Serondes had made me aware that I could melt stone now, and between my new and improved levels, [Solar Flare] leveling up, and gravity dripping the melted stone out of the way, I was strong enough to punch through the ceiling. My Radiance burned and melted the rock, filling the air with toxic fumes, before exploding out into the city.

I then focused on making the light bright, and rapidly flickered it on and off into the sky.

I hadn’t planned on getting the Rangers involved initially, but I’d managed to stumble upon a Ranger-centric problem. I wasn’t about to do their job for them, for so many, many different reasons.

For one, I wanted a damn break.

For two, a corrupt guard investigation was a full-team affair. Interestingly, it was one area I don’t think Sentinels were ever called in on. The work of separating and interviewing people, and investigating logs was a team effort. Also, a massive waste of a highly specialized Sentinel’s time. There was no Sentinel Investigations.

Well, not currently.

Spurius just didn’t know when to quit. In spite of being blinded, regardless of the deadly butterflies glowing in front of him - ok, to be fair, he couldn’t see them - he still tried to charge at me.

I tripped him with [Mantle]. Even if it was only by proximity, he was involved, and I doubted his involvement was simple proximity.

At the rate he was going, a number of charges were going to be laid against him. I considered myself to be kind and compassionate - ignoring the little voice whispering in the back of my head, telling me exactly how many people I’d killed two days ago - but I had limits. Involved with corrupting my beloved guards? Molesting me? Nah, I wasn’t going to turn the other cheek. I believed he should face the justice system - the real, untainted justice system. The penalty for every crime in Remus was a fine, the size differing on the crime and the judge. If he was unable to pay the fine? He’d be sold into slavery to pay off his debt.

I was deeply conflicted about it all.

On one hand, I hated the dude. Not a deep, burning hatred - I hadn’t gotten the time for a proper grudge to develop - but hatred none the less. I wanted to see him suffer, and the current justice system would do just that. He’d tried to make me a slave, and he’d promised all sorts of torment and humiliation before I turned the tables on him, so there was poetic justice there. Port Salona didn’t have lead mines, but some large fishing boats used slaves… I seemed to remember them having one of the worst qualities of life, and keeping him in Port Salona where everyone he knew would see him and know he was a slave?

He did seem to be particularly mad about getting humiliated. Hit him where it hurts extra-hard.

On the other, I hated slavery. I hated the institution. I hated how close I’d often come to it myself. It was a miserable thing, regardless of the relatively gentle implementation compared to harsher examples I knew of from history. I wanted it to end. I didn’t have the tools or the means to fight against it though, nor did I have a practical solution for what else could be done with Spurius. The only jails were short-term holding cells while the details of the crime and punishment were hashed out. Kinda weird that they hadn’t stuck me in one, but I wasn’t going to look too closely at it.

Focus.

Slavery let the government essentially outsource prisons. Instead of the government needing to build and fund prisons, they got paid on a per-criminal basis. A chunk of the money was, in theory, supposed to go to the harmed party, but the governor took a cut. It wouldn’t surprise me if that was the motive here - railroad people who couldn’t properly protest their treatment, pocket the significant funds. There was, quite frankly, no other alternative punishment for Spurius. The death penalty was exceedingly rare, and I did rate life in slavery as better than death.

The other benefit to Spurius ending up as a slave was I knew where he’d be. I wasn’t going to have a Kerberos repeat, with stray loose ends running around to pop up again one day.

… Artemis was rubbing off on me more than I thought. I was now making sure I didn’t leave threats behind.

Guards tried to get into the room, but the light made it so they couldn’t see. It turned into a clusterfuck, as a guard tried to rush in, tripped over another guard, then turned into a stumbling block for the third guard, who lashed out and hit the fourth…

They stopped trying after six, figuring that I couldn’t keep the light up forever, and they’d deal with whatever Classer was giving them trouble after she was out of mana.

Ha.

If nothing else, I was going to be able to get a nice talk with the guard captain. Should’ve just started with this, honestly.

Then again, if I had, I wouldn’t have stumbled into corruption. Annoying day for me, but gods. How many poor people had they railroaded? How many ‘trials’ never took place? Did they pick me because I didn’t have protection? No family in town to speak up for me?

[*ding!* [Solar Flare] Leveled up! 130 -> 131]

In almost no time at all - Rangers tended to set up near the guardhouse after all - I heard Bossman roaring and shouting orders. Some of the guards started to clear off, and I dimmed the lights.

“Bossman!” I happily waved to him as he entered the room, weapon bared and ready for a fight.

“Sentinel Dawn. Emergency?” He asked, as the rest of the Rangers filed in.

“Mmmm. Kinda. It was going to get ugly. Got a case of corruption here, not sure how bad it is. Going to need a full investigation.”

Bossman nodded seriously, and Greybeard was frowning. Wolfy just looked excited, while Newbie Ranger punched Newbie Mage in the arm.

“Weren’t you supposed to stick with her and prevent this sort of mess?!”

Comments

luda305

How long did you work on that alliteration?

Anonymous

Nice! I hope we can see the guards reaction or their pov.

Anonymous

Great chapter. Love this kind.

1536539

Very nice chapter, thank you

M van Dongen

Somehow I cant help but think she isn't quite rid of Shimagu yet. Infiltrating the top ranks and normalizing slavery seems like a good way for them to slowly take over.

TroubleFait

I have the nasty feeling many people involved (even Rangers) will say that it wasn't really a problem.

Will C

Poor newbie mage they try and help him and it backfires. I mean who could have predicted Elaine could have caused an Incident in less than 12 hours, apart from anyone who has ever met her. I am however concerned that this is less corruption and now more business as usual in how woman are dealt with under the current regime.

Shoto

...wow... just left the chapter to end with the Newbie Mage, saying: "but she was the one who gave me the day off!!!!"

Anonymous

I bet its not even corruption, just how the system works after being away from it for so long.

Shoto

humm, I think the Dictator should make a little political and economic reform. Humanity lives in a new moment. Without the constant threat of the Formarians, it is possible to spread a little military power between cities, the Rangers and Sentinels should change their area of ​​expertise a little. Mundane problems should start to be solved by the military. Roadside thieves, moderately strong monsters, and other simpler things rangers do should fall to the military. Rangers should have their travel times cut short, giving them more time to train younger generations, and giving them time to grow up to become strong elite warriors. And not to mention the valorization of women, in a world where a 40 kg girl can punch a 120 kg man to death, or a woman can cause a forest fire if she has the right statistics and classes, the fact that women are devalued is very silly, it is simply losing half of a nation's potential. in the end, a level 511 Elaine could kill a level 280 warrior only in melee combat without any problem. Levels and stats are the important thing. Maybe Elaine can teach a class in modern sociology and economics? simple concepts of today would be completely innovative in Remus society.

Tjark

You know seeing this, I have the feeling her reputation of being a disaster in all things social is all wrong. It's not that she's bad at social stuff and more that others have no idea how they should treat her. On another note I wonder how Ranger Command works now that there is no senate anymore and therefore no one to fill those 2 spots in their voting. And I doubt the emperor would sit in on that xD. Also the emperor being a general and therefore army and there being 2 army dudes and 2 from government means the emperor should technically have 50% of the votes now. That could be incredibly dangerous.

Anonymous

This situation is basically Elaine not realising that removing the ring would likely fix most of her issues. Even if that would mess with her having time off. She's just wasting her vacation right now :(

Anonymous

Seeing a theme here. The subtle and overt sexism of her country is going to start truly rubbing her the wrong way, and I predict that when she gets back to the capital she's going to find that the corruption she saw here started from the top down with the new emperor. Great chapter

Anonymous

I really really like the ranger institution. Such a functional organization. Even with all the casualties, but those can only be attributed to lack of funding / lack of personnel.

Anonymous

Imagine being corrupt and then some level 128 you were trying to enslave via corruption goes and nukes you all with a flashbang and summons the Rangers too

Anonymous

Not that the guards will notice that immediately, being flashbanged and all. Later though? "Oh shit the flashbang was so strong it melted the walls??? But she's leve-" *sees new "level" on Elaine* "-oh"

AntiClimax she her

Citizen "Spurius" making "spurious" charges, lol. Well...some of them might be legitimate, like not checking in at the gates and making sure 3 rods was enough for 2 dz mangos. Those 3 counts of solicitation, though... that's some sexist bull. As is being charged with assault for defense against harassment/assault. Of course we also don't know how much the law has changed with the change of governance yet. I'm starting to smell a [The Dawn Revolutionary] class upgrade.

AntiClimax she her

Like, he's not too smart to begin with. She completely manhandled him earlier, and he wants to be alone with her? He has no idea how close he was to getting a laser through his skull--well he might have an idea now.

Anonymous

Ehhh even if it's legitimate those charges are stretching the truth quite a bit because they thought she was a naive level 128 who'd go quietly or something... Which was the trap they walked right into

AntiClimax she her

Absolutely, though much of that has to do with her being a Sentinel. I'm sure that anyone not some authority would need to pay the toll, and checking in at the gate even if you are is good form. But yeah, it's not exactly theft when she paid. More like under payment which I'm sure she'd remedy.

SuperiorFreak

No. They literally faked having a Trial. Perhaps before that, people would have shrugged. But faking a Trial is a very serious crime as it puts everysingle trial before that into question. The rangers at the very least would care. Though it is certainly possible that some government officials may want to sweep it under the rug since they too have shady dealings. Their would be even more government officials who would be outraged at the injustice, if only because it makes them look so good and is an amazing PR move. (Makes them look noble, and righteous)

SuperiorFreak

Tbf, he probably assumed at first that she was being suppressed by the gaurds skils. Also, in his eyes, she is just a woman, and a healer to boot.

SuperiorFreak

That moment when you try to arrest the second highest level person on Remus. Hell, she unironically may have had a higher strength stat than the gaurds through sheer level disparity. I mean if im not mistaken, rangers were already way stronger than guards, and Elaine is to a Ranger, what a Ranger is to a guard. At least in terms of raw levels.

Anonymous

Even if it's underpayment you can argue that she haggled with him through sheer confidence and speed

Squirtle

Honestly.. its higher than that, at least for quite a few rangers who dont get their 256 upgrade. Especially when they dont have green class colours either.

AntiClimax she her

Well, she's probably the 4th highest level behind Night, Hunting, and Destruction..., But yeah.

Anonymous

I mean yes but also no rules set the minimum standard that's meant to be kept. not following the rules for personal benefit is always corruption even if everyone does it

Anonymous

I liked the chapter but the end seemed rushed/condensed. Unless next chapter picks up right at the end point there are a lot of missed opportunities for some humorousness reactions.

AntiClimax she her

*should*, but do you think that's even remotely likely? I don't see it happening with this Dictator, not without some savvy advisors--and even then, would he listen? Julius, otoh, he's a good enough leader to think past his own prejudices and actually listen to people. Also, with that name...

Shoto

maybe not in physical strength, most of the guards seem to follow the "Take Blows" route, most of them should have warrior classes of the earth and fire attribute, which increases these stats. Elaine has only 1003 strength... But it probably shouldn't be too low. Elaine's worst stat is close to surpassing that of a medium guard.

A

Laughed when I realized the guy leveling spurious accusations at Elaine was literally named Spurius.

Shoto

@Sean Kenny but... aren't they too dumb?? What kind of level 128 healer can have mana to fly over a city wall, have the speed to run 9 times through the harbors with no guards able to capture her, and defeat 3 or 4 adult men who harassed her? It doesn't take a genius to know there's something wrong here!! people with flying skills are rare, and it takes a lot of mana to fly, even Artemis couldn't hold out very long, and they really thought that a person who flew by like a rocket with butterfly wings was simply a "healer weak"???

AntiClimax she her

Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. Someone should have noticed that something was off. And the guards seeing her during the morning laps also would have seen the rangers with her -- or chasing her and not able to capture her. This is likely mostly due to Spurius forcing the issue due to having been humiliated, and the corrupt guard squad leader not believing the wild tales in town.

AntiClimax she her

Night is level 512+. He got his 3rd class iirc. Edit: I tried to look it up, and it may have just been speculation on Elaine's part "For that matter – Night might’ve had Destruction go first, just so he could stay in the shadows." Drunken speculation I might add. Edit edit: Hunting told her Night Unlocked

Cirvante

More like a lack of healers. The rule that every Ranger needs a primary combat class is really hurting them, because it results in a severe shortage of support classes, especially healers. They've got tanks and dps, but not enough support. That's why they're losing half their field operatives every two years. Some of that can be attributed to the inherent danger of their work, but we've seen teams losing Rangers to attrition and Julius prevented that on his last round by hiring a young healer. I'm estimating that their 50% casualty rate per round could be lowered to 25%, if every team had a healer tag along. And with Dawn giving healing lessons at Artemis's school, they have a really good chance of getting enough healers for the job. A higher survival rate would mean more veterans, higher average level and capability, resulting in more Ranger teams and even lower casualty rate.

SuperiorFreak

Yes, I am aware lol. i was saying that I thought only Night had gone above 500. Because you said she was the 4th highest level. But if Night was the highest, then that would make Elaine the second highest.

AntiClimax she her

No, Destruction was the first to class up his 3rd class. Hunting also revealed to Elaine the he had unlocked--as well as Night. So there are at least 3 people higher level than she ""I’ve got access to my third class, like Destruction and Night"

Cirvante

Destruction went straight to 520 with his Earthquake, Hunting got there through Royal Guard slaying. He probably wiped out most of them. Right now I'm guessing Destruction is highest, followed by Hunting and Night shouldn't be higher than 515. His leveling rate is slooooow.

Shoto

@Cirvante ,The Huting killed the last ant if I'm not mistaken. Night had said that the Seal created an opening, and he charged the Huting to deliver the final blow. And about Sentinel levels, I think there's a point that we haven't analyzed very well, Night probably levels his 2 classes together, he must have spent a lot of time balancing them, which is normal. When Elaine met him, Night was at level 487, but probably both classes were at that level. Destruction used his mountain attribute class (probably) to kill the formarian queen and royal guards, his other class must not have gained much experience in that event. Same with Huting, he probably raised his Void mage class to +512, but his warrior class didn't level out as fast. Same with Arthur, it was his poison class that killed the formarian queen and that continues to kill. In short, Destruction, Huting, and Arthur are likely to have classes unbalanced in the same way as Elaine, but Night should probably have both at +512.

Tjark

Hunting* and Sealing* and without the 'the' as it's a name :)

Saramon H

The only thing I'm disappointed about from this chapter is that I've already read it all...

AntiClimax she her

It's a name and a title I thought. Sentinel Dawn is just as appropriate as the Dawn Sentinel. More at issue here is we don't know much at all about the levels of their secondary classes. I don't think it's fair to assume they are unbalanced, particularly the ones who have been sentinels for any length of time. Elaine is really only unbalanced because of the D....n and the Shimagu. We know hunting should be pretty balanced considering his secondary overtook his primary during the formorian battle, but I'm sure he leveled quite well as a warrior as well.

AntiClimax she her

Did he assume that she'd be perpetually suppressed by the guards? Particularly given that it was stats not skills that she slapped and tripped him with? (And evaded him) Not a smart man, practically begging for death unless he thought he could kill her before the debuffs were removed/wore off.

Shoto

@AntiClimax she her , But the Sentinels that killed the queens were probably unbalanced, the strongest sentinels should be around level 370~~380, 400 at most, using Destruction as an example, one moment it was at level 400, the other second, killing 1 queen and dozens of royal guards in a single hit, it jumped to 520. His second class should still be around level 400. That's just for those who killed the queens, or other Sentinels should have leveled more evenly.

Shoto

@Tjark English is not my mother tongue, and I use a translator, as he still manages to be better than me at that. sometimes he misses.

AntiClimax she her

@Shoto that depends entirely on how much they used each class to kill the queens. Elaine's class are very different, and get experience for very different acts. The other sentinels likely have classes that are more focused on a single goal. I guess I agree for Destruction, because he probably got most from a single skill/attack. Hunting, though, is using his physical class just as much as his mage. The difference mainly being that the killing blows were from his mage class. I really don't know how much of a difference that would be.

Cirvante

Destruction was around level 440 before his Earthquake and jumped to 520. This is from Elaine's estimate. He's likely to have unbalanced classes since his second class is Storm, which is virtually useless outside of channeling Tornados. With Earth/Mountain he can still kill things with ballistic attacks.

Alexey Gladkich

I don't know. I do think emperor treats his daughter well. And I doubt there were much changes to daily lives due to presence of an Emperor. Only due to war ending there should be some. If anything, lack of Captain's presense for the Elaine's interrogation suggest that it isn't that high level corruption. They apparently selected people that wouldn't be missed and sold them into slavery. Edit: also note that Elaine wasn't put into one of the cells were arrested normally are held. Looks like subterfuge to me.

Joshua Little

Thanks for the chapter.

Julie

I thinks it’s absolutely amazing that a healer who has an Oath to not hurt people (who are not attacking her) is the fourth highest level in Remus. Especially considering more people are high leveled from killing. Sad to say, a lot of Elaine’s levels are from killing as well, at least recently. Just goes to show how many hostile people and creatures she runs into.

Melting Sky

You are assuming these people are omniscient Gods, when this is quite plainly not the case. The only real odd part was how comprehensive her list of crimes was.

Jeanean

In his "defense", he probably thought that Elaine only managed to manhandle him like thta because he didn't see it coming.

Alexey Gladkich

@MeltingSky well, I do agree that the guards weren't omnicient gods. But her list of crimes wasn't comprehensive at all... they probably listened to every rumor they heard and put it all under her name. That is not called comprehensive.

Alexey Gladkich

Well, it was in fact a legitimate name... that was usually given to illegitimate children.

Squirtle

I mean, how many "Bald Women" are around. Certainly would help the rumor mill

AntiClimax she her

@Melting Sky I don't understand. Given the list of offenses it seems that they did at least a cursory investigation -- which may not extend past people reporting her. At the very least it should have come out that 1. She can fly (method of bypassing gate) 2. She's as fast as a speedster (during the run, dodging people trying to solicit her)(mango merchant) 3. Other moderately high classers were also jumping the wall, running through the docks --and she was keeping up. 4. She overpowered Spurius and his supporters (though to be fair she held back quite a bit there) 5. She's healer tagged. At lvl 128 6. She casually has on her person an object so hot it instantly bbqed a guards hand. 7. She wasn't concerned or intimidated at all. Guard squad leader should have had all those facts, even if all he did was look at complaints. All of those things don't add up. Now, I think it likely that he would have dismissed such facts as exaggeration, but he did have the info to deduce that she isn't what she appears to be. As Squirtle mentions, she's pretty identifiable as a bald lvl 128 healer. Omniscience is not required.

Dion Crump

She'd have to have the backing of the Sentinels to do so, if she doesn't have Night on her side it'd be a lost cause. It has been so long but I believe the they have a non intervention policy.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax basically they always judge people via identify. If some unverifiable info came like "she flew above the gates" or "she runs very fast" it would be easily shrugged off as exaggerated rumors by drunkards and bullshitters. Say, one day you saw a real UFO with aliens but no one else did. Who would believe you but lunatics and crazies? Well she is fast for civilians, sure, probably she has physical class as her second and her healer has physical boosts skills. That's more reasonable than Identify doesn't work, right? And it's not like they are 300 IQ detectives from crime novels. They are just fools that believe in what they want to believe, and right now they see opportunity for lots of money and nothing else - that's an excellent motivation to ignore all caution.

AntiClimax she her

@Alexey I think we are mostly on the same page here? It makes sense that the squad leader ignored the flags, but they were there blazing brightly. And some of it couldn't be shrugged off--flying, the blazing hot egg, her utter lack of fear or concern. They couldn't know what she was or what exactly was off, only that it was. He was closest when he accused her of playing games. Almost had it there. I mean, even from his point of view that should have given off warning bells. I mean, she's totally unconcerned about the consequences? Her father lives in the capitol? She might be someone important. As far as UFO stuff--well who would believe me would depend entirely on how well corroborated my story was. Sure, they might not believe I saw aliens, but if enough people from enough different walks of life backed up what I saw people would probably think something strange happened, and might even try to look for an explanation.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax was she flying? Or did she just jump high? Maybe the guards were just bullshitting and finding excuses for letting her in. Also flying doesn't require that high level. Elaine got it at 150. Artemis just doesn't have the right classes/skills for flying. Hot egg, he thought it was just a stolen item or something. And it doesn't take high level to generate hot stuff. Her lack of concern? She could just be another crazy person. There are tons of those. With her clothes she looks like local prostitute. Her father being in Capitol sounded to him like another bullshit or he was unimportant. That's like 99.9% chance. What self respecting parent would let his valuable daughter travel alone unguarded at the edge of the Empire? She's surely some run-away slave and the items she got she stole from her previous owner. Even in the very unlikely chance that he's important, he'll never find out her fate.

AntiClimax she her

Giant freaking butterfly wings made of radiance. 10 times over the wall. Flying is rare, and you expect someone with primary healing class suspected of being a prostitute to have it? Also, the wall is so high that physical classers and wolves couldn't jump it, but somehow a lvl 128 healer (even with a secondary physical class) is supposed to be able to? I'm not so concerned about the egg being hot as the fact that her clothes aren't on fire and she's not getting burnt. It's in a glass sling because it would burn cloth. She only looked like a sex worker because her dress is exotic -- also likely for an important person's daughter to wear exotic clothing. She could just as easily be lying about being alone. Why believe she doesn't have a man (or others) to back her up when you don't believe anything else she says? It's equally as likely for her to be so crazy to be unconcerned as she knows something he doesn't to be unconcerned. You can counter each one individually, but they add up. At a certain point it's less believable that the situation is a "normal" one than something unusual/unknown is happening. The bottom line is, though, they didn't care who she was, only that they thought she was isolated and could make money off of her and ignored clear warning signs that she's not what she appears at first glance. I don't really see the point of this argument. The guard squad leader and Co are dumb and greedy. So blind they don't see obvious discrepancies, which guards should have the experience to spot.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax Butterfly wings 10 times over the wall? What? I am not sure if Physical classes cannot do it. Wolves just aren't physically built to be able to jump high. With right skills it should be possible. Putting cloth on fire is not that easy. The ignition temperature for cotton is 407 degrees Celcius. As long as you don't put them in direct flame they will have to be heated to some crazy temperature to start burning. As why she doesn't get burnt - there are skills for that. They don't need to be that high. Some random crazy low level person shows up alone in the city and causes problems? You think it is likely that they have people in the town care for them? When a rich citizen wants them as a slave? There are discrepancies when one think carefully. But who is going to try and make sense out of them? For some reason you believe that a person has to be a dumb greedy idiot to fail to miss that. Most people won't. Even intelligent ones will easily ignore them. You have like a whole world full of examples where people miss the obvious in favor of what they want to see.

AntiClimax she her

@Alexey do not presume to know what I think. I do not think the guards are idiots, but they are letting greed blind them -- which is stupid. Doesn't mean I think they have low IQ or anything stupid like that. If things were above board they would have engaged the captain and/or the rangers. Dawn presenting the sentinel badge should have been enough for that, even if he believed she was lying. Instead they assumed she was alone and powerless rather than taking even a cursory effort into establishing her identity. There is no excuse for that. Again I don't understand why this is a point of contention, especially given that I am not surprised that the guards overlooked the glaring red flags (which would have been more obvious if they were above board and actually doing their jobs). As for flying over the wall 10 times? Once to enter the town, then 9 laps with the rangers. In full view of the guards. She ran with a physical classer, much higher than her displayed level who climbed rather than jumping. I don't know why you think jumping the wall, and clearing it by a wide margin, with a trajectory that is not ballistic (ok,ok Remus guards failing to recognize that her arc was not parabolic, what ever, it would still look like flight or an unnatural jump. Maybe it's too much of a leap to assume the guards recognized flight when there's giant freaking butterfly wings involved) is more likely than flight. Escaped slaves do not taunt guards or flaunt themselves. They keep a low profile. Spoiled rich brats are the opposite. As are anyone who believe themselves to be beyond punishment. I have no idea how hot the egg is, eggcept that it's lower than black body radiation temp for red , so less than 1000 or so C, higher than boiling, hot enough that when the heat comes from lava it's enough to burn Elaine (pre Shimagu) and hot enough that Serondes believes it's a lava creature. I assumed the glass sling was to make sure it didn't burn. That's not stated, but glass will deal with temperatures even higher than wool. It would not surprise me if it surpassed the ignition temperature of bamboo or cotton given that and how badly it burned the guard. The guards thought the egg was dangerous, not that she was keeping it hot, but they never tried to confiscate it after the burn, which is a lapse in their duty. If they had, of course she wouldn't have let them, but still. It is remarkable that it's dangerous enough to harm a guard, but not damage her in the slightest. You keep making excuses for the guards, when they obviously screwed up. They screwed up due to greed and not following proper procedure, not doing anything other than asking where her father was to verify her identity, but ignoring her when she showed her badge. And unless the corruption on Remus has also infected the Rangers, that's at least career ending stupidity if not life ending. And when I say stupidity, I'm not talking about the character, I'm talking about the act. Dawn isn't the only way this would have backfired on him. Rich kids, people with non obvious or extra legal connections. Hell, a friend of the Rangers or a hanger-on. A highly valued slave of an important person who knows she's too valuable or liked to punish. Is his mistake understandable? Yes, especially given his bias against women. Do people in the real world regularly make similar mistakes? Yes. Was it career ending stupidity caused by greed/corruption? Also yes. These are not mutually exclusive.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax because you make it sound like an unreasonable and extremely dumb thing to do. That's why it is a point of contention. Some guards saw her do something crazy. And told about that to the squad captain. Is that something that sound believable? Or was the guard just exaggerating? You speak like all the guards are the same single person that sees with the same eyes. Again you miss one of the most important points that as long as she's kept in slavery for 30 years, and will probably die before release, she'll have no way to complain to anyone. Her only chance would be if she had relatives here. And there's no way in hell he believed that it was an actual Sentinel badge. Not with lvl 128 healer. Edit: it was made of glass so Elaine could heat it with Radiance. In terms of heat withstanding - glass is kinda awful. While it won't melt it will shatter easily for even slightly poor heat distribution. Serondes had to have applied some skill so this glass pouch ended up being usable.

AntiClimax she her

@Alexey you sure do like making assumptions about me. Not a fan. No, I do not assume the guards be like a single person. I assume guards make a report and the arresting guard review the report -- and for the charges given that at least had happened. And for him to give more credence to the guards than random people. Dismissing the observations of your coworkers or command is stupid even if you don't think it happened as they described. Also, I have said multiple times that I understand it happening. Mistakes were made. Mistakes happen. Neither of those should be in dispute. I do not miss the important point of 30 years in slavery. Anyone who knew her with any measure of power would have been able to figure out what happened to her and who bought her (she made quite an impression). Including, if she were a slave already as seems to be the popular assumption, her owner. If that were the case it'd be too late for Elaine, but not too late for the hammer to come down on squad leader or Spurius. The likely thing was the assumption that whatever her connections were, they didn't have more power than Spurius, or whoever owns the corrupt guard. But they didn't even check. They didn't even ask if she knew anyone in town. It's kinda stupid to sell someone before you know that they don't have anyone looking for them. They just assumed it. Even Kerberos' bounty hunters coulda done a number on them if they were paid well enough. Yeah, it's not unreasonable to think that Elaine was no sentinel or ranger, but it's also unreasonable that he didn't check with the rangers about someone with a counterfeit sentinel badge -- something the rangers would be most interested in. He obviously didn't recognize the sentinel badge (which is kinda a problem) and also didn't want the rangers attention. But again, mistake, understandable due to the corruption, but still a mistake. I suppose that I do just believe corruption to be stupid, though. Not only is it career ending if you get caught, but it also causes you to avoid process, cut corners, avoid doing the things that ensure you're doing a good job. It trains you to look the other way when things don't look or feel right. I do understand why people get involved though.

AntiClimax she her

As for the glass - I suspect it was just Serondes being clever for his new girlfriend. The heating it with radiance we a plus. And yeah, it was strengthened with skills, but was also fibers/flexible. I'm not sure how well that deals with heat. I'm fairly confident, though, that the egg is being heated to almost the temperature it would radiate in visible light. It's not afaik visible, but is apparently close to lava temperature, which is 700C and above. Even wool ignites at that temperature.

Shoto

@Alexey Gladkich dude... do you want to create so much discord for something so silly?? And I really don't understand why you look like you're defending the guards, they were pretty stupid to ignore all the red flags Elaine waved in their faces. The guards filed 50 charges against Elaine and many of them were made by Elaine, but the fact that Elaine has flying skills, mana to fly, speed to evade guards 9 times without getting caught, jumping over walls that the 2 experienced rangers couldn't do jump. ability to defeat adult males, being able to casually hold an egg that burned a guard's hand, having mana regeneration so insane no guard could stop it, having the ability to create shields that held several guards, plus Elaine doing it all this calmly, and the idiot guards actually thought that a simple level 128 healer was able to do this. And don't come up with "Elaine could do this sooner" story, Elaine at level 128 DID NOT HAVE THAT ABILITY, when she gained the ability to fly, she was at level 200, and she only managed to fly for a few minutes. And all these things would need dedicated classes, and a level 128 healer doesn't have 10 classes. Even with all that, not even for 1 minute did they find the situation strange, I don't suspect anything, but kept making fun of Elaine while she clearly showed 1000 danger alerts. I really don't understand why they didn't notice, maybe a combination of greed, stupidity, and anger to treat Elaine like that and ignore so many clues.

Tatiana Saturno

I think Elaine should go to the capital flying. She will take another year to get there with all the problems that finds her.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax I believe that you miss an important point in your arguments. It wasn't that clear from the chapter but it was subtly implied nontheless. The operation "sell Elaine" is a subterfuge operation by the squad captain. They couldn't let Captain or any non-corrupt guards know about it. So actually investigating it, like checking with the Rangers, is totally off the table and they need to make it quick. Else a not-corrupted guard might take notice. Why is it a subterfuge operation? Two main points: (1) captain was never brought to talk with her. (2) she wasn't held in a prison cell but in a different room. Also I am sure they know their coworkers and that they bullshit all the time. Perhaps, if captain launched an official investigation they would actually tell the truth.

AntiClimax she her

@Alexey I didn't miss that, lol. I clumped it in with corruption. I outright stated that they didn't want the rangers attention, because they were being corrupt. The whole thing was corrupt. That's the point. They did stupid things (like ignore warning flags and not properly establish her identity) because they were being corrupt!

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax then you contradict yourself. As in then it is the smart thing to do to not talk with Rangers about her. Else they risk getting corruption exposed. Much more realistic everyday danger than lvl 128 healer that came from the woods turning out to be a Sentinel.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax no you do not understand the argument about guard corruption. You presume all guards are corrupted. In this case indeed they without worry could've entertained her and brought Rangers to check on her just to laugh on her. But this isn't the case. They mustn't even talk about catching her else guard Captain might take interest in that and start asking questions. And like. No. They didn't believe for a moment that her badge was real. That's just silly even checking on it. Edit: your comment I was replying to disappeared...

AntiClimax she her

Like no, dude. I don't assume all guards or the captain are corrupt. It's still possible to make casual inquiry without arousing suspicion. The judge, at least is on board, though. Only reason to not check at all is if you don't care, or feel above punishment, or the incentive not to. Like, if they checked and she was important, then they might not be able to sell her, so don't even look believing that she either isn't or they won't get caught anyway. And yeah, they didn't believe for a second that the badge was genuine. Doesn't mean rangers wouldn't be interested. Doesn't mean it was still a bad idea not to cover his own butt when someone speaking with authority and amusement claims a connection with the rangers, whatever her apparent level, especially after demonstrated ability. None of this says the guards were in anyway being smart, even given their goal of "Sell Elaine". After a while there's just too much wrong for it to be believable that she's some unimportant lvl 128 healer. You kinda have to have some reason to close your eyes to it (yay corruption!). As for the egg, its actual temp isn't really important. It's believable to me that it's anywhere between 100C and 700C. That she cradles it and keeps it away from flammables is just as believable to me as it not being hot enough to burn fabric, though given how hot Serondes had to make it for her that he was concerned it was either too hot or a lava creature pulls me to closer to 700C than 100, but it's kinda immaterial. It isn't burning a lowly 128 Healer, but instantly cooked a guard (supposedly with decent vitality) hand. That's what is important. By itself, not that important, but adds up with all the other little things. Huh, no idea why that would have disappeared.

AntiClimax she her

Not sure why a comment would disappear. Strange. Maybe I said something verboten? Maybe I accidentally hit delete while I was trying to edit? Anyways - yes. Individually you have a good rebuttal for each point. In aggregate, however, it doesn't work. There's just too many things out of the ordinary that have to be overlooked, for whatever reason. And it may be easy to over look them in the situation, but any amount of thought should have been enough to know that something was wrong.

Alexey Gladkich

> The judge, at least is on board, though. Well, maybe, but it is more likely that the document was forged. Else they have to share a good chunk of the cut with him. The whole setup went like this: sell her fast and pretend it never happened. I really have a hard time imagining a realistic scenario where this could've backfired for them if she was lvl 128 like [Identify] implied. > Doesn't mean rangers wouldn't be interested. Again, you miss the whole point that involving rangers in anyway has a good chance of backfiring and getting their asses exposed for corruption. > After a while there's just too much wrong for it to be believable that she's some unimportant lvl 128 healer. That's the point. I don't agree that there nearly enough reliable info to tell them that something is very very wrong is happening and that [Identify] doesn't return the right numbers. Perhaps a bit more than usual but not nearly enough. For instance consider the squad captain hearing about someone bald in a vulgar dress crossing the wall while flying on enormous shiny butterfly wings. "It totally sounds like a joke." Then on the next day hearing that like 10 times someone crossed the wall in the same near the corner of the city for no reason. Again with huge radiant butterfly wings. That's just crazy are they all on the same joke? Then it turns out that a bald woman with vulgar clothing exists. But she is a weak lvl 128 healer. There's no way she could've flown above the city gates with butterfly wings. That has to be either a joke of the week or someone else entirely had the wings. And she is totally nuts and carries some hot shit, what else should've I expected from her? Like how do you get from this farce to her being someone important and powerful rather than mentally ill? Especially if someone is paying you money to sell her?

AntiClimax she her

Eh, this is kinda going no where and both of us have repeated ourselves several times by now. So, last one. You seem to be under the impression that I'm making lots of assumptions about the guards and what they think. I'm not. I'm simply pointing out that there were a hell of a lot of discrepancies that could be explained or ignored in myriad ways. I kinda fell into the trap of trying to answer your objections, but honestly that's not my burden. My burden is only to point out the evidence that the guard had at their disposal that could have pointed to something being unusual about the situation. They had that info but did nothing to follow up, though there were avenues they could have explored. That they didn't explore them is believable given their corrupt disposition, pressure from Spurius, and giving more credence to their identify skill than other evidence. That was a mistake whether it was understandable or not. A mistake they made due to committing corrupt acts, and being otherwise cavalier, having gotten away with it thus far. Partaking in unnecessary corrupt acts is, in my estimation, stupid. Not adhering to process without a good reason is also stupid in my eyes. Not being thorough when their careers are on the line is also, not a smart move. They *could* have been smart about their corruption, but they had so much confidence they wouldn't get caught or punished, they didn't even try. And they will hopefully pay for it.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax I fundamentally disagree that being a criminal or corrupt implies that one is stupid. These things are largely unrelated. One of the major contentions, is that you for some reason believe that the squad leader could've somehow reached the conclusion that the [Identify] failed him. And somehow relied on all the wild rumors he heard rather than the solid reliable result of [Identify]. One skill everybody deeply relies on throughout their lives. I find this completely unreasonable. Throughout the whole series the only single time we've heard that [Identify] could return wrong result was when the Deception Ring was discovered. Like nobody in Remus would ever even consider that [Identify] could fail unless they saw clear evidence right before their eyes.

Håvard

Wow just read the first chapter again at one point Elain notes this quote "You die twice. Once when you die, and once when someone speaks your name for the last time." If the dove don't use that in the curse...

AntiClimax she her

Lol. One last time, just to point out your assumptions about me. No, I do not think that corruption and intelligence are incompatible. There are many reasons I think that criminal acts are not smart in many if not most cases. You'd need a good reason to make it smarter than the alternative, though, given the risk involved, not to mention the impact it has on society as a whole. I also don't think the guard should have distrusted his Id skill. You are right that he had no reason to. However, it's not smart of him to ignore other evidence on the assumption that a lvl 128 is harmless. It is frequently the case that people can punch up, and she was giving indication that she could. You don't have to agree that the guard had reason to think that something was off about the situation. We can disagree, whatever. People disagree. Please, though, stop making assumptions about what I think. Chances are you are wrong, and it's rude even if you aren't. I'm not a black and white thinker. I find this whole conversation perplexing, because I'm not sure exactly where the point of contention is, and every time you try to explain it's over something I don't actually believe or think -- with the possible exception that I think the guard being corrupt was a mistake (ie not worth the risk without taking precautions against said risk). Somehow you keep defending the guard, but I'm not even sure against what because I said I understood and believed the actions despite thinking it was a mistake. Maybe you believe it's unreasonable for the guard to have come to any conclusion other than "she's harmless?" If so then we do disagree. And that's fine. My only goal is to tell you what I think, not convince you to the same. Or perhaps you think that they technically had the info to reach a different conclusion, but due to their history, biases, the incentives, pressure from Spurius, or any number of other factors, that they would not have been able to reach a different conclusion. If so, I can see that. I don't really agree, exactly. I still think that they *could* have even if the characters never *would* have. But that's a mighty fine distinction and I don't know enough about the characters and their situations to know that they couldn't, just that they didn't.

AntiClimax she her

I had a similar thought, having started rereading last week. This could totally explain why no one seems to know about her in Iona's time. Unless the new word for "healer" is "elaine" I kinda had a thought that it would be epic if Iona helps Elaine to remember herself. Sort of a bring-elaine-back-to-life sort of thing. Who knows, though? Other than the gods...

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax Okey first you state two things: "Partaking in unnecessary corrupt acts is, in my estimation, stupid." "Not adhering to process without a good reason is also stupid in my eyes. " That's what being corrupt is all about but then you state "No, I do not think that corruption and intelligence are incompatible." Hello!? Bloody decide! Either corruption is stupid or it isn't. The former two are pretty much definition of being corrupt and you said it is stupid. Then you say it doesn't have to be. You constantly state something and then wiggle away from your own words with some elusive vague arguments. The assumptions I make are based on your own words - and you don't bloody stand by them. No wonder what I presume and conclude about you is wrong. Please. for the love of god, stop this kind of behavior - this is just annoying and counter productive. Can't you just be straightforward with your statements? Is it so hard? > I also don't think the guard should have distrusted his Id skill. You are right that he had no reason to. However, it's not smart of him to ignore other evidence on the assumption that a lvl 128 is harmless. It is frequently the case that people can punch up, and she was giving indication that she could. Okey, we reached something. Lvl 128 have at most like 1,000 stats in total with weak skills. They are fucking harmless to guards. Regular guard at lvl 180 should have at least 6,000 stats total with more powerful skills. Unless she is a bloody prophet with a blue class - which would show her as [Cleric] rather than [Healer] - there's no bloody way she'd have any reasonable power at that level. Being weak and low level further implies that she's definitely not a sentinel and unimportant. How all the crazy rumors came to be is a question way too complex.

AntiClimax she her

Sigh...and around we go... I don't "wiggle away" from my words. You are making assumptions about me and my thoughts and coming to the wrong conclusions. You also seem to latch onto things I say which I don't consider terribly important to my thoughts, but somehow because this one thing appears to contradict, everything I think must be wrong, or something. Speaking of, this conversation really has seemed to have devolved into you trying to prove that I'm wrong, and me seeing things from a completely different perspective being like "what? That's not what I'm saying, I'm trying to say this". And around it goes. Like, I don't necessarily think that you are wrong, except when it comes to you telling me what I think and why that's wrong. You are also avoiding engaging with what I actually say I believe. Like I said. I'm not a black and white thinker. Sometimes I'm clumsy or inexact with my wording, but seriously, everyone is to some extent. It's not worth the effort commenting in full researched and edited essays. That an act is stupid does not mean intelligent people cannot take part in them. I am separating the act from the actor. Telling a lie does not make a liar, and all that. One is an act, the other a characterization, part of an identity. Smart people do stupid things all the time. And in addition, things that are generally stupid can be smart under the right conditions. I think you may not be seeing that distinction, so when I say something to the effect of "guard did stupid thing" you hear "guard is stupid". Or "thing is stupid", you hear "thing is always stupid". I'm not saying that. But even IF I were, whether or not something or someone is "stupid", that is a values statement, and people have different values. I'm trying not to project my values onto people (including you), but I absolutely will when judging a fictional character's actions, especially when they are particularly odious. And this guard is particularly odious. But that's how values are. I can say "guard was stupid" and you can say "guard was not stupid" and BOTH of us can be right. I have judged the guards actions to be stupid. You appear to have judged the guard's actions to be not-stupid. We have at the very least conflicting perspectives if not values, but that doesn't invalidate either one of us. I suspect that some of what you consider me wiggling away from my words is a result of my perspective shifting. A conversation that doesn't cause my perspective to shift is likely not worthwhile. I make an effort to understand other's perspectives, and in so doing can and do change my thoughts. I'm not always cognizant of it happening, but if I become so, I will admit to the change. You did get me to consider that it might be more reasonable for the guard to ignore the warning flags even if I still disagree, so you can consider having won the argument if you want. Just don't expect me to agree with you. Anyway, I don't have much else to say without repeating myself.

Alexey Gladkich

@AntiClimax I have to latch to your claims else you wonder away completely off-course. Like you have an ADHD and fail to think two steps forward without forgetting the first one and start talking about something else or what you said earlier. To be specific, what's the argument is about. You say that what the corrupt squad leader did is straight up dumb. Why because he should have come to conclusion that she's not what she seems to be because of various odd things happening. Okey, let me again follow with the set of arguments. (1) Squad Leader Id her to be lvl 128 healer, and you accepted that it is unreasonable for him to believe that info to be wrong. (2) People and guards specifically have lots of experience with various levels people have and how much power they should posses. With lvl 128 healer, there's a clear cut conclusion that she is weak. Tell me how is following these two is stupid? How wild rumors, odd behavior, vulgar appearance, and some hot egg should make a person doubt the very fundamentals of what he knows of the world? That some weak healer claiming to be a Sentinel should be presumed as anything other than a lie? You agreed on them not believing for a second. Yet, bizarrely you somehow still believe that they should've verified this with Rangers despite the potential dangers on their illegal operations? How any of this is remotely reasonable? I really do not understand your perspective. Say we had two examples, where A implies B for beyond obvious reasons. And you agree with A but disagree with B. And somehow at no point do you explain how come A doesn't imply B. Only that B is wrong for other unrelated reasons. So please if you try to make any sense of your arguments. Please explain two things: 1) How come a lvl 128 healer can be dangerous? He has lifetime of experience that lvl128 are like 100% harmless. 2) What is the logic for the squad leader to check on rangers about Sentinel badge? He knows she is lying and he doesn't want to attract any attention. So what is the ridiculous reason to check on it?

Alexey Gladkich

> But that's how values are. I can say "guard was stupid" and you can say "guard was not stupid" and BOTH of us can be right. I have judged the guards actions to be stupid. You appear to have judged the guard's actions to be not-stupid. We have at the very least conflicting perspectives if not values, but that doesn't invalidate either one of us. That's what the argument is about. I do not only claim that the decision wasn't stupid, but in addition that considering it dumb is unreasonable as long as one understands what has happened and why.

Shoto

@Alexey Gladkich , man, stop being so boring!!! you make 10 weird guesses about our comments, creating words that don't exist to try to answer something that wasn't even a question. The only thing we were talking about was: Elaine gave 100 red danger flags, and the guards saw those flags, and didn't realize that the "Little Healer Level 128" was weird. We just pointed this out, but you start putting in weird points like IQ, corruption of the whole guard, omniscience, lack of communication and 1000's of other things. Since the only thing we did was, Elaine waved red flags and no one noticed.

Shoto

@AntiClimax she her , This has already happened to me, and I was wondering the same thing. And coincidentally, it was to answer the same person, who tends to create points that have nothing to do with what I mentioned before, and we entered the vicious circle of conversation that makes no sense.

Anonymous

Back in the country for less than a day and this happens. That is SO on-brand for Elaine. 😆