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  • I paid only 1$ and see everything, without additional payment for each work 154
  • I only pay for viewing those posts that interest me. I am not an active patron. 9
  • I paid 1$ to become a patron, but all posts are still hidden for me, and I pay for each separately 6
  • 2021-05-19
  • 169 votes
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Hello. Recently, I started tracking the activity on my page, regarding subscriptions, unsubscribing and other activities, since every month many crooks unsubscribe to save money, and then, at the beginning of the next month, they subscribe again. I've banned a few already, but I need more understanding of how this monthly "charge" system works for you and just access to content itself after you become a patron.  Therefore, I want to know directly from you how you see my content, in what form, and so on, I will make a survey, but you can also write in more detail in the comments to this post, how and what you see on my page. Thus, I will be able to track swindlers more accurately, thereby clearing my community of dishonest individuals in a couple of months.  I work on a "paid per-creation". I understand this as: When you become a patron by contributing at least $ 1, then you see all the content on my page, I still could not check it personally, since I have not seen other NSFW artists or just artists who would work with this system rather than through a monthly subscription. Therefore, maybe I'm wrong and everything is actually completely different, so I ask you to choose an option in the survey that is true, or write in the comments, I really need these statistics to build a system for checking suspicious patrons.  For each option, I will also make a more detailed description below, since the number of allowed characters in the voting options is not enough to detail the proposed voting options.  

1. I paid only 1$ and see everything, without additional payment for each work, At the end of the month, I pay exactly as much as the artist has done works marked "Paid for by patrons", according to Patreon's tariff plan (including commission and other things) for example 7 works = 7$ if current active pledge is = 1$  

2. I have not tested this option personally, but it seems to me Patreon allows such an option that you can pay for a separate post to watch it, while you do not become a Patron. But again, I may be wrong, so if you have had this experience, then please write about it in the comments.  

3. If you chose option 3, then write in the comments whether you pay at the end of the month for all posts (and for those that you have already paid for), or you pay only for those that you have not been open during the month. Or you refuse to pay for those posts that you are not interested in (if Patreon has such option)


I will take the options you choose very seriously, it will depend on how many patrons I will monitor during the month. I am already keeping a list and took note of many, but I will not have any questions or complaints about those who are honest and conscientious. The ability of Patreon's tools to monitor my list of all members, including already unsubscribed, inactive, and so on, allows me to see this.  Also, this survey will help me form a correct and meaningful welcome message for new patrons, so that I can stop making monthly reminder posts, or at least make them shorter and more meaningful.

Comments

Jeshua Anderson

I pay each month and just see what you post as you post. Everything is visible. I'm not sure how they are scamming you. People should have to pay before they see anything.

Bim Skeeble

I personally get charged $1 per creation at the end of the month. Before I was subscribed, I wasn't able to view any creations before paying, so I'm not sure how others are scamming.

shizzyzzzzzz

they pay just 1 dollar to be a patron, and before end of the month just cancel their pledge, in the end they just pay 1 dollar for everything, and in the start of next month they again became a 1$ patron, and this sequence is repeating again and again. i start tracking of that 2-3 months ago, and already ban 3 or 4 scams. Also, now I have about 30 people on my watch list, some of them are "technically" my patrons, but their lifetime support = 0$. That is, patrons of one year or more, which are listed as active, but at the same time they are even $ 1 was not paid for all this time. Thus, many of them will be banned, with the appropriate marker for Patreon moderation team.

Zefurion

I think you should be careful when working with a 'per work' bill and maybe consider dropping it all together. I literally don't think that Patreon actually has a function to calculate it and therefore might be open to exploit or abuse. A flat monthly rate might be better and reduce much of the headache. Also, alot of people have a problem paying 'per work' because they dont know how much they would be charged at the end of the month. Lastly, some people may be unsure as what 'per work' means. Like is it per image? Per post? Like if it is per image, does a post with multiple angles get multiple charges? I already know the answer to that, but some people don't. Honestly, in terms of work, from what I have seen in your streams, you can charge a base MINIMUM of 10 Euro per Month and get away with it. My honest advice is to take a look at other creators that are similar to you, ie they make 3d models. The one that comes to mind is StevenCarson so maybe you should research as to what they Charge.

Jeshua Anderson

Ooooooooooh ok. I understand now. That makes complete sense. I applaude your desire to be fair to people, but I gotta say, for $1 a month and your quality of work I feel like I am taking advantage of you. You are pretty consistent. Sure you may go weeks or a month, but as long as you state that upfront, while also providing a pretty decent backlog, than I say go monthly subscription base, at $5. Even if you miss a month or that's a very good value. You provide so much for so little, don't get scammed. I say move to a subscription plan.

CalgarPRIME

Every month for a while now I've been paying $5. The invoice will say something like "Supported - 1Post" $5 Example: Reading the receipts, it looks like: June - Paying $5 for Selene's Day Off May - Paid $5 for Mileena Pinup #30 April - Paid $5 Jinx Pinup Render Going back and trying to count your posts, 4-5 per month seems pretty normal each month from what I've seen pop into feed, so I thought that was how the $1/work was just how Patreon invoiced it. More or less a Mileena addict, so I never really put too much thought into the billing per-piece since it seemed to line up. Let me know if I've missed something.

Orochii

I have my pledge at $3 and i have it for once a month i thought it was like other pledges where you just pay a set limit once a Month to gain access to most or all posts i didn't know paid posts were i thing or how they really work im confused a bit on this.

Anonymous

I subscribed for the first time, and then canceled the resubscribe for the next month. I enjoy viewing different artists and seeing some of their content. I didn’t know there was a way to save money about these things, I just look at people content. If they are slow, or just not entirely what I was expecting, or I just not feeling it, I will only pay one month. I generally will check back in on artists a couple months later with another subscription, if I felt there content was worth it. Some, but very, very few, I stay subscribed to at a lower tier cost. I am not rich. I did not know you did a per work bill though. I would recommend a flat rate bill, as this does help keep things consistent. Most Patreons have different tiers, and I find that they allow people to see as much as they are willing to pay. Some post basic content for a low fee, but have NSFW content at a higher level fee, with hi definition / NSFW / whatever bonus you want to offer, being an even higher tier. My suggestion would be something like 1-5 for a basic package, see all content for like 5-10 and Hi def at a 10-20, depending what other bonus content you want to put forth. Keep in mind, not all of your content needs to be provided to the basic package, but if you choose a 5 for the basic package, I wouldn’t think you would want to withhold much from them.

Draven Shadow

As far as I can tell I pay the 1$ per creation. In truth I don't check each artist I support on here each month to see what I was charged for them. I simply get the receipt of what my monthly bill was.

Zen

I pay $1 per creation that you post. I have access to everything as you post it. Been here for a while and that's always been. Since you recommended to update to $1 instead of the base $5 Patreon sets. It's a shame these scammers are taking advantage of Patreon. Even if they cancel they should still be charged for any creations you made during that month. Patreon needs to fix that asap.

shizzyzzzzzz

On the one hand, this is so, but on the other hand, it is not fair, since perhaps the person will get what he did not want, and will pay for it. Patreon needs to develop a system of teasers, so that, for example, I can make miniature previews of small resolution pictures in each post, at least something 426 × 240, in fact I would not lose anything if all people saw these previews, but then before becoming a patron people could roughly understand what awaits them after they become patrons. Globally, people, becoming a patron, not for the sake of support, but simply for the sake of additional materials, buy a pig in a poke. Perhaps someday it will appear on Patreon, but I can’t even roughly imagine when this can be expected, since updates on Patreon are extremely rare.

tormentor 666

You do what you need to do my guy.

caput4ever

I pay $1 per creation and I am able to see all posts.

Funnyman5032

I pay 5 dollars per post and then I see everything you post

MidastheStallion

I pay the 5 and I see everything. My personal favorites are just the full on pics you do; like the one for Sindel or Skarlet. The NSFW stuff is good, but I like your pinup character posts the most. The others I can take or leave.

SSG_Grandmaster

I pay for the 5 but it started to charge me 9 dollars a month when my pledge is the 1

shizzyzzzzzz

Thanks everyone for your feedback) I made a detailed welcome message, where all the necessary information for people is now available. At the end of this month, I will make a post with a reminder one last time, and after that I will no longer need it. Perhaps after reading this message, people will have less misunderstanding, and the number of people who try to cheat will also decrease, or maybe, on the contrary, many will try to take advantage of this to the detriment, but I will follow this in any case. P.s. Those who were banned will no longer be able to become a patron, even if they create new mails and nicknames, the ban is assigned to the ID address of your hardware, so be honest and no one will ever have any problems) Thanks again for all your feedbacks, it really helped me to make it better and clearer many of the points that caused people to question.

SyntaxError

I'm a bit late to this but supporting creators isn't really the main issue I have, it's mostly that there is a 25% VAT on any pledge I make, though I will be looking over my pledges and it's likely that I will increase my support to you.

YOKOHAMA BAY

I'm at the $5 per creation. Keep up the good work.