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Doctor Who 11x3 “Rosa” FULL REACTION (Patreon)

Published:
2021-12-03 04:20:01
Edited:
2021-12-04 19:04:30
Imported:
2022-02

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Comments

Will

The P-word (what Yaz said she was called) is seen as being as offensive as the N-word in the UK, and is used as a general racist term for South Asians rather than just people from Pakistan. I've heard South Asian people say that it stings whenever they hear it. I believe Yaz is English-born, but at least part of her family background is from the Punjab, the part that lies in modern day India...

Will

Considering that Ryan struggles with riding a bicycle, I wonder how much experience he's likely to have driving a car! I guess all he would really have had to do to move the car was find the parking brake and push it out of the way.

Toby Harmon

I think Series 11 is definitely more preachy and educational like the show was in the 60s. But yeah, great episode! I loved the acting in the big confrontation scene between 13 and Krasko in the warehouse. The (British) actress who played Rosa (Vinette Robinson) played a medic in Series 3's "42" (the episode with the space station drifting towards the sun), which was also written by Chris Chibnall.

Daryl

For me, this is probably the 2nd best episode of this series. I feel it had the potential to make me think it was a great episode. But I have a few minor but significant issues that decrease it to an above advantage episode for this series. One of which is, I feel the time traveling racist was too on the nose for the episodes antagonist for me personally. Which then was effectively resolved with the press of a button in the end. I share your view that the inclusion of this one dimensional villian, might have been to suggest that bigotry might never go away. As sad as that idea leaves me feeling. I've had thoughts on how I might have changed their involvement in events to potentially improve the episode to more my liking. At first I thought that they should have been the ones to accidentally nudged the of events off course. Then, like they were for this story. They would have to be part of putting things back the way they originally happened. This would still have the emotional impact that it did in this. But then I considered the element of why The TARDIS would have brought them there in the first place. It wouldn't have needed to if they'd been the ones to disrupt events. So then I thought, just remove that element from the beginning of the episode! But then we are left with the idea that The Doctor might have knowingly taken them to this dangerous time in history, without that intentional explanation of why they are there. A theme that's been often used to explain why trouble just seems to follow The Doctor. I also feel that some more fanciful villian idea could have distracted from the importance of these historical events and perhaps feel like it was trivialising it in a small way. I think this story works for the most part. I would say Yaz is British, or maybe English. Her heritage, is obviously what you are talking about. I'll leave that for episodes more connected to her character development. Britain wasn't like this during this time. Although it would obviously be extremely naive to suggest there were not any racist attitudes. One fact I am aware of tho. During the second World War. Some American troops that were stationed in parts of Britian, tried to bring and impose those repugnant segregationist ideas to Britain. In some parts, this did not go down well at all with the British people. Fights did break out between British and American soliders. Ashamedly the British government wasn't as forceful in rebuking the export of these unwelcome ideas, in not wanting to upset a much needed new ally.

Ian Smith

My feelings on this story are basically the same as Daryl's. In addition,I have always thought it odd that Graham was introduced in his first story very specifically as a bus driver - which seemed deliberate. And yet,when it comes to a story that hinges on the absence of a bus driver,this occupation plays no part. Surely it would have been more effective to have Graham take the place of the absent driver (in order to make the journey go ahead);and be the one to (for the sake of future history) tell Rosa to get to the back. That would have been REALLY powerful stuff - instead we have Graham feeling uncomfortable,but his bus driving background playing no part.

otherboy
>>73073657

I think that would’ve been kind of brilliant to make Graham have to be put in the uncomfortable position of being THE bus driver that tells Rosa Parks to go to the back. It would’ve been so interesting and disturbing, but unfortunately also would’ve messed up time/history as the real bus driver is already known and became so infamous. But also that would kind of make a white man the unlikely and indirect hero in a way and would take away from what Rosa did for history. But I get what you’re saying😁

Mark Ward
>>73045798

I never realised that was the same actress! How interesting!

Mark Ward

This episode could have been so great if they TOOK AWAY everything sci-fi and just had them arrive in a pure historical story like they used to in the 1960s, but the writers weren't brave enough to just do that. It had to be some meddling alien blah blah blah. The person who suggested it should have been them that pushed the timeline out of place has it spot on - that would have made for a really exciting idea. There are some real problems with the scripting, that continue throughout Season 11 - things sound SO unnatural... e.g. when Yaz says 'in 53 years time there'll be a Black president'... who sits there and calculates the exact year? That scene behind the bins between Yaz and Ryan should have been so powerful but it was messily scripted and poorly acted, so it falls completely flat. I too hated that Ryan didn't really know who Rosa Parks was. The only black character being the only one who didn't know who she was was a really odd choice. As an educator in the UK, I don't know a single kid, black, white or any other ethnicity, that doesn't know who Rosa Parks is and I find it a little bit offensive as a teacher that they would suggest a 19 year old black boy whose grandmother idolised her, didn't know who she was. I do like the Banksy joke though. Makes me giggle every time.

otherboy
>>73080943

Yeah I don’t have a problem with Yaz or anyone knowing the exact year Obama became the first black president because it would be something most poc would know because it was so monumental for a lot of people. The fact that she knew so much about Rosa Parks and that time period in general suggested that she was smart and paid attention in school and would know dates and facts like that and would’ve easily been able to calculate the exact year. I’ll always remember 2008.

Daryl

I'm very glad that you disagree. I'll clarify. Absolutely didn't need to be raging with anger or shouting. We are talking about a more subtle but significant change in bringing out an actors best ability. You are definitely right, it was required to be said. I don't think that is in dispute. Where it falls short for me personally, is on the last reithian principle. With only two of three met for me at certain moments in the episode and during this series as a whole. This is why I'll give it an ok rating rather a greater one. It's a sliding scale. There have certainly been instances were the story ideas, but less so the script have fluctuated to a varring degree. But I have extremely rarely ever questioned the delivery by the actors and certainly not by a main cast member. Were this a documentary or an educational film for schools, then I'd absolutely feel differently. But the show is a television drama. For me, that last principle has to be met. What is the most disappointing is this had the potential to be one of the best episodes in the shows history.

Mark Ward
>>73123196

I was BEGGING for this episode to say the things it did - especially following race being completely ignored in Martha's era and given only a passing couple of mentions in Bill's era. It just said them really badly. It still gets like a 7/10 for me, because there's such a good premise and a couple of really nice moments, but like you say, it COULD have been one of the best stories, but it's just let down by poor acting and writing - man I wish I could have seen Freema Agyeman or Pearl Mackie take on this kind of story instead. :(