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LOUD Ep. 15 (Patreon)

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WiseSmellyLegs

Let me quote one dude, who said this during watching episode 7: „You know, I got this vibe from Koki in previous round, when he basically carried his team. He is not a kid… He is like a… He is a grown person just trapped in kid’s body. Like... Koki, his personality, his mind, his skill, he is way more mature and grown than so many other people“

Anonymous

Hi PD, actually the Team JYP champion performance and cut was actually part of the live broadcast. IDK why it was edited from your episode source.

Amanda Bernström

Are you still uploading En o'clock, since it says episode 10 but you already watched it last week?

WiseSmellyLegs

At first I wanted to record Champion performance from this episode as I did with Zo Doo Hyun’s audition for you in the first episode, when I found out Kocowa cut it off. But it will be easier and quicker if you take a look by yourself here the timing should be 25:50 (with the speech before that perfomance): https://mega.nz/folder/RGgWjD4b#BuO9H8m5UF6RYRbhg0m15Q There are better English subtitles as well (I know, you don’t need them, but if you would like to make a reaction, it will be easier for you, because you won’t have to translate for us) (The folder is not mine, but since it was shared among LOUD fans, when the show started and I have talked to the owner, I hope it is okay to share it here as well)

Ewtio

Kocowa honestly makes me sick.. Just all I'm gonna say..

WiseSmellyLegs

About the Sprite integration you metioned… there won’t be any other opportunity to tell this, so this is my last chance! Since the names of each group has not been announced, there were jokes around that Team JYP could be 5prite. So I had a thought that Team P Nation could be 7Up 😹😹 (before it was announced that Koki won’t be debuting with them…)

LoLo

I haven't watched the reaction yet but wanted to let you know that this morning Kang Hyunwoo announced on his IG and Youtube channel that he auditioned for Boys Planet 2022! https://youtu.be/G9ZttaY5_SA

Wiktor

to be fair. I kinda of wished that rather than having 2 separate groups. the finale members would form one group at the end. 10 member boy group would be so good. esp with each individuals populairty and talents

Jenni Laine

Aaa this finale made me a little emotional seeing it for the second time again, i rly love this show too! I hope survival shows in the future can be more of this kinda vibe. Few thoughts from me: - I totally forgot that Taehun and Kyungjun were with PNation that long :D it is rly rare that that happens and it im so glad for them that they made it together. It explains PSY's inability to be as cut throat cause honestly i dont think I could have let them go either. But both deserved it. - Regarding the PNation team now that Goki has left, it definetely has made an impact to the dynamics and overall look. I honestly feel like the dancing is gonna be focused more now on other members like Kyungjun etc... so idk how that affects their final positions. And with that whole Loud impact that they're missing a litlle bit, i totally get it. However I do feel like they can be special in other ways and im still very excited to see their debut especially cause its been so long, so all of that improvment is gonna be interesting to see. - Even if PNation lost Goki, im still honestly way more excited about them as I am of JYP. Mainly the same reasons as u mentioned, like how they don't stand out as much. With Gyehun I didn't realise it at first, but yeah u r right, he would have fit PNation a lot more. Like imagine if Pnation had him aswell 🤌. But they have also had a lot of time to improve and whatnot so things might look different in the future. I do feel like PNation has way more of a colour to them even if some of the members aren't "loud" enough. - To me, what I mostly like in kpop groups or what to me is the most important thing, is performance. Like if a group has amazing songs like JYP i am absolutely gonna listen. But to me whay attracted me to kpop in the first place was performance. They can really sell a song even if i dont like it at first. To me PNations team just nailed their performances better and therefore won me over. - And lastly I didn't think I was gonna get this emotionally attached to the members but oh well :D. Normally when I watch survival shows I have my favs but I can be objective. With this show it was really hard 🤣🤣 im like 99% sure Kyungjun will become my ult bias, cause I just relate to him a lot and as a fellow introvert i feel represented lmao ❤😫🙏. I feel like that just shows that survival shows don't need any weird or extra editing to create drama, like people fell in love with the trainees without those things. Anyway :DDD this journey has been great and i am so ready for these debuts. Both teams seem to be debuting this year. I feel like JYP's will be first since Goki leaving might have been a little stepback (although i dont know how sudden it was or if he or the company had these worries before) Looking forward to the future 😊👏

Doyoungismyult

I’m so confused with you saying you don’t think the JYP team stands out. I think they stand out tremendously. Yoonmin brings such unique vocal color and he is an amazing producer, Gyehun is an amazing dancer and vocalist, Amaru is an incredible vocalist with an amazing tone, keiju is a great dancer, and donghyeon is a great rapper. I really love there dynamic. I like how they are not following the noise music era of kpop. I think they could bring something different to kpop. I also like PSY’s team as well. They have my day one Eunhwi. I am hoping there debut is special and stands out. Also…it feels like your comments at the end are coming from a place of someone who is angry that their favorite member didn’t debut. I think each of the members on both teams bring such a unique talent and each stand out in their own ways. This show never said that they would not debut their own trainees. In fact from the beginning they said this was a test for their trainees. They saw them more then we truly did. They saw there growth in more way then we ever could. Kyungjoon embodies LOUD to a T for me. He started off shy and he found his LOUD through this program. LOUD can mean so many things. Your version might be different then my version. In regards to Koki. He and his parents were the ones to ultimately come to the decision that he was not ready for debut. This show was always about showcasing all these different boys and letting them grow and showcase what they are made of. Would you have been more satisfied if PSY would have kicked out half his original boys and taken your fave? Would you have been satisfied if PSY would have added one of your faves? I’m just curious. I think that it makes sense that each teams have a mix of trainee members and members brought on. The trainee members have been studying and training to be an idol for months and years and they are much more ready for this. They will teach the new boys how to grow and be ready for debut. I am excited for both of them to debut and showcase their sound

capTYN

I agree on your point that Psy was biased during the show, especially in comparison to JYP. My thought in watching this for the second time that I found interesting was what seemed to be both pds approach to how they wanted their group to look at the end. In my opinion because Psy is so involved with his trainee's his goal, in the end, wasn't to create a whole new boy group with the trainees invited to loud but instead find some additional pieces to surround the 5 trainees. It always kind of felt that Pnation was going to be made up of 5 + x members. In comparison JYP was there to create an entirely new boy group from scratch. It just so happend that one of his trainees was integral to that new group while the other ones didn't live up to what he wanted.

Jet3

I totally agree with u PD with most of the things you pointed out. Maybe there are some different opinions, but it's okay. Everyone has their own opinions. We don't have to feel hostile or offended or anything. Love to listen and read different opinions because it's really interesting and fascinating. Some even made me realised on things that I haven't before. Well from an objective point of view, without being biased or anything, when i watched the live show when it was airing on TV, I do feel team JYP didn't really stand out. Mind you, I always think that Gyehoon is the most talented and charismatic out of all the contestants, but I don't know why he didn't stand out as much as we expect him to be. And now i realised it's because the songs didn't really suit his colours. But still he and Keiju had the most number of votes throughout the live rounds. So people still do love him, despite not standing out during the live rounds. But yeah, I do believe he would probably fit P.Nation team more than JYP. I don't think JYP would produce another self-produced group like Stray Kids, but we'll see. I'm so excited to see how much they have improved and worked on their image and sounds. Yoon Min is also another talented contestant. He's an excellent all-rounder. He also can produce songs. I've noticed him since the beginning, but it's so unfortunate the show did not highlight or give spotlight to him as much as he should get from the beginning. But I'm glad he's in the team. My fav JYP contestants when the show was airing was Zo Doohyun. But I know he's not ready enough to debut, so it's okay. But would love to see him debuting one day :))

h

my comment got deleted idk why but i'm just going to sum up what i said cause i'm lazy lol. - It sucks goki dropped out of the team and i really think that we're going to feel that empty space for a while but ultimately i respects his, his parent's and the companies decision. - the member that embodied the LOUD concept the best for me was in fact Kyungjun; he started off really shy and lacking in confidence and is now one of the members that owns the stage with his aura and charisma. I'm so glad PSY never lost faith in him and let him debut, especially after finding out how long him and Taehun have been in the company. I guess we perceived the concept of LOUD differently but i think that Kyungjun was a perfect contender and his journey on the show hit home for me as i myself am someone with extreme introversion and confidence issues. Also Kyungjun is the perfect example of a theory i have; someone can be in the trainee system for years and stay stagnant for many reasons, but not because they lack the talent or charisma. so they need fast paced, high pressure environments like LOUD to force them to evolve and unleash what their full potential. And from there, they can either make it or break, and Kyungjun made it. the fast pace, the constant having to work with new people forced Kyungjun to adapt and find himself, which he's still working on, and i'm so glad PSY gave him this opportunity cause tbh i don't think Kyungjun would've found this side of him anytime soon if it wasn't for the show. I know that PSY had major bias when picking his members but like you said, he owed it to Taehun and Kyungjun to give them as many chances and i'm glad they made the most of it. - Out of the 2 debut songs, 180 secs is my favourite by far. It is so clear the image PSY has for his team and you could tell the song was made for that team specifically; even as the deo was playing i was assigning parts to each member and got it right lol. While get Loud was a great song, it was such a typical JYP song that could be applied to any group, so the members and performance really didn't stand out to me. I found the Pnation performance to be better both in the song and in their charisma and synergy. - Completely agree with you about Gyehun being in Pnation; he suits their image and style better and i'm anxious about how he'll be utilised in the image im guessing JYP's going to have for his group. - While Kyungjun was the standout member for me and was the first member who i knew i was going to route for the entire time, Taehun has to be my bias in the Pnation team. He just caught me by surprise and personally i think he is THE centre for his group. The way he leads the choreo when in the centre is captivating and for me he has some of the best stage presence out of all of the members. Also he's such a good and sweet leader and i really think he is the safety belt his team needs and is going to lead them down such a bright and successful path. - Overall, my fave group have to be the pnation group; i individually prefer the members but also their synergy is the best in my opinion. Also i personally prefer Pnation's production style both in their concepts, songs and performances. The JYP group are insane but i always felt like there was something missing in that group and i can never quite put my finger on it, but hopefully as timer goes on their synergy gets better and they show that on stage. - While i have my objective critics about the show as everyone does, god this has to be the best survival show i've seen. The fairness, the fact that the judges had most of the say on the contestants and not just fan voting *mnet could never lol*, and while PSY had more biases than JYP, i still felt like everyone got their chances to prove themselves and am so satisfied with the final line-ups, although i still wish daniel and goki stayed with pnation. This really was a show that put every competition show to shame. - Also Pd if you're looking for extra content to watch on the boys while we wait for their debut since i don't think they'll debut right away, the Pnation team have a youtube channel called 'PNATION LOUD' where they upload behind the scene vlogs of the show, their personal lives and variety show style content which has been great to watch so I think you should check that out in the meantime. I don't know about any official sns accounts from the JYP team so if anyone knows anything please let me know. This is the first time i've liked any groups predebut and can't wait to see what they come up with. Thanks for reacting to this show pd! i wouldn't have watched it otherwise lol.

Irving

About pnation I definitely see and understand what you said but I'm really satisfied with the line up, I do have to say all of my favorite contentants in loud are in that team so they became my favorite team and I might be biased but between both teams I look forward to pnation's team debut the most, so I don't really have a problem with any of the members from the line up in fact I actually really really love the line up as it is right now, I feel like each one of the members brings something special to the team. Now would I love to see yedam there as well? Of course that would be awesome but as of now is really good in my opinion. Plus all there variety content on YouTube has make me love them even more. Ps. Yes hyunsoo is a little weido lol I love him he is my bias About jyp I like all the members but I just don't think they stand out to me, at least now. So I don't really have much to say about them other than I look forward to their debut hoping they will change my mind.

Anonymous

If you are interested pnation loud has a few videos on their youtube channel, the one I recommend the most is welcome to pnation which is a 3 part series of them playing games etc.

WiseSmellyLegs

Producer Crossover: Team JYP - Champion: I feel like you will have the same problem with this performance as you have with other performances by Team JYP and that is that they do not stand out, I mean each member on his own. I personally like this performance but not that much that I would go to replay it and the thing, why I like Behind You by Team P Nation more is because of the distribution of everything that each member stands out in his own way… Team P Nation - Behind You: I said my opinion right above, but basically I was surprised that I liked a ballad song this much and what more that I liked ballad song done by Team P Nation this much and they were able to deliver it in this way! Which one was better: Team P Nation Special Collaboration - Mic Drop: I felt like this performance was missing something, I do not know, I do not want to say “it lacked energy”, but maybe it did not have the sauce to it… Also I feel like they chose this song to gain BTS’ fans for this debuting groups. Like I do not blame them and I would say I see their point, but also it was a risky move and I do not think the performance lived up to their expectations. Debut Song: For both groups I do not think this is the “true debut song”. I feel like there will be another song with these ones, like two debut songs as it was with BLACKPINK for example or maybe these one will be just pre-releases. Actually in case with Team P Nation I would even say they might change everything and make a new song completely, because I cannot imagine someone else having Koki’s krump part and in general the choreography would feel like someone is missing all the time and yes they can change just the choreography, but still I hope I am not the only one, who would be thinking about that song in the original version… Team JYP - Get Loud: I feel like Yoon Min will be considered as main/lead vocal only. I mean, he is really good singer for sure, but he is really good rapper as well, so I would like to have him on both positions, but it seems like he will be presented more/only as a singer in that group and he will write lyrics for Dong Hyeon and Keiju… About this song in general, at first I could not tell, which one I like more (between Get Loud and 180초), but if I had to choose I would have said Get Loud. But after some time I started to replay 180초 much more and to be honest Get Loud feels more like a celebration song, which makes sense and I am glad that those boys can enjoy it through this song, but if I heard that song without knowing anything, I do not know if I would like it… Team P Nation 180초: The last section of this song reminds me of Jessi - What Type of X. Besides that I do not have anything to add. I agree with your words and I mentioned more above. Only one thing I can/have to say is Koki and his krumping part made me feel so satisfied!! It would have been perfect, if they combined his krumping skills in their choreographies as this small “cameo”, but well… Which one was better: Team P Nation Special Collaboration - Walk Your Walk: I really like this idea of having the “theme song”/fan song at the end of the show as a farewell rather than having it at the beginning with members, who will be eliminated. It gave this episode and the whole LOUD really good ending and good reason, why they did not want to finish it all with the previous episode. But after not debuting Koki I feel like it looses its sense and meaning.
I do not want to say that it was all around Koki, that is not the point, but even though they said: “This is our first and last performance of all of us”, I would say in future there will be some opportunity for them to perform again all together, but now somebody will have to cover Koki’s parts and… I just… do not know… even for the members, it will not have the same meaning as it had… But in general I like this song a lot, even after current news about Koki, it still makes me shed a tear a bit. My favorite part is, when Yoon Min and Koki are having their parts and they are looking at each other. Not because they are my favorite ones, but also because it is cool, because Yoon Min is the eldest there and Koki is the youngest there. Which one was better (between Mic Drop & Walk Your Walk): I am just kidding :`D,,, Your thoughts at the end: First: As you said your are not sure about the future of Team JYP in the way of production freedom as it is with Stray Kids. I mentioned this after Kang Hyun Woo was eliminated, that I worry about this point with this group, because Stray Kids are the first group and until now the only group to have this freedom from really early on. JYP kept Yoon Min after all, so that is great, but still this does not mean Yoon Min will be producing everything from now on… So I agree with you about Gye Hun joining P Nation. But I will hope Team JYP will have creative freedom. Second: As you answered my question about Yoon Min in Team P Nation. PSY would not have definitely eliminated anyone from his 5 former trainees, I meant it in the way he would have kept Yoon Min instead of Koki or actually he would have casted him instead of Koki completely, if Yoon Min was put on a hold as PSY initially thought and then was surprised, when JYP casted him. Third: Groups like Kep1er are made as temporary groups and this is the thing I do not like about this Produce groups or now Planet group(s) that it is even more about money than it is with another big or small companies. Like with JYPEnt I can see the business there, but still I believe JYP is connected with the group (the final line up). With PSY it is so based on his emotions, so I cannot even say he is doing his whole P Nation because of money, or… I am not saying he is doing it all for free and from pure joy, but you know, he is glad that he can have his own company his own Kpop group etc. With these other survival shows, which I mentioned above, it is about the money and nothing more, so they just do not want to waste their time, because as you talked about this in previous episodes, nowadays there are so many groups, which are made quickly by some random companies and those groups are “just good enough” and they debut “anyone” and until now it works and the big mass of fans do not care… Four: Lee Seung Gi is the true MVP of this show! No offence to Gye Hun, but the award should have been Seung Gi’s. Five: Koki and again Koki… I was so hyped, when you started to watch LOUD, so I could go through the whole journey again with you, but last month, when it was announced, I was so depressed, I was not sure if I want to continue watching more… because of all those stages, in which he was, it felt like: “Man… I am not sure I can get over this…” I basically cannot agree more with your words and I am glad you see it in this way. As you said you can imagine Koki understanding the whole situation, that might be really true. I asked Justin Kim (the Mario boy from Toy Story performance) on his live stream and he told me he contacted Koki if he was okay and Koki answered him he is fine. I understand, why it happened, because P Nation is not that big company and since this is their first group, those haters of Koki would have affected the group in general, because they would have started to hate on that group for sure… But on the other hand it feels so stupid, just because some stupid haters, who did not even watch LOUD and do not know him, want to hate on him and make his life complicated, this group will loose him. Because I do not believe the decision was made as it was presented. If PSY/P Nation did not want him to debut, they would have eliminated him or even if they changed their mind somehow, they would not have promote him with the rest of the group (variety content ect). If Koki did not want to debut as soon as possible, he would not have joined LOUD/survival show and he would not have worked so hard… And if his parents were against it, they would not have let him go to another country to try it and if they changed their mind, they would have changed their mind earlier during the live rounds, because those haters started to hate after the casting into Team P Nation, because at first it seemed that was the final line up, so it was not like it started after the end of LOUD. From his point of view, I am not sure if this is anyhow better. Yeah, he is not an idol now, but still he is known to public, so it is not like with another unknown trainees from smaller companies. He will stay in Korea, so he will not be with his family and friends in Japan, but he will not be with his friends in Korea, because they are debuting without him and that is another thing that they liked him a lot, so it has to be hard for them as well and speaking of the whole group, they have to redo everything, or I do not know, what all they have done already, but at least that one song and some future plans and now, when I am writing this I remembered they made together “P Nation News intro song” (fun song for their variety show), I know they do not have to redo that, but Daniel’s voice and production was included there it even that was a bit sad, now it is even more… I wish they add him in year or two, although I am not sure about this at all, but new boy group will be in 3-5 years and 3 years would be really quick, because in 2-3 years there might be a girl group first… and besides that, what will he be training there? Like from the point of view as a dancer? For sure he will get better in singing and rapping, so if they make an all rounder from him, I guess why not, but I do not think it is necessary and I do not think that is the way Koki wants to go, like he could have been improving with his vocal and rap skills during his time with Team P Nation group, like the main dancer, who does not have that much lines but after some time he gets more and more. I just hope he will not leave, because I can imagine some random label would ask him to join them to debut him quickly with some “just good enough members”… Six: I talked about PSY and his presence in this show a lot in previous episodes and we have the same opinion, so I will skip to your thought of having a bigger group. Here is a video, how PSY promoted his Team P Nation right after casted all 10 of them: https://youtu.be/qmPxH96PheA And on the same channel you have playlists with variety content and as I said above PLOUD series was shot during live rounds, so there is Ye Dam, Daniel and Dong Hyun (actually there are really good parts, when they were saying goodbye to them, my favorite part is, when Koki immediately ran towards Ye Dam after his elimination to hug him and then PSY let Ye Dam to countdown their final goodbye with them). I do not know, how about you, but for me and some people, who I talked with on discords during watching LOUD for the first time, but it felt like those line ups are final. At least PSY presented it as he wanted to. JYP just shared some photos and that was it, PSY really took care to catch LOUD viewers attention by every possible thing he could or maybe they (JYP and PSY) talked about this as well, since PSY really wanted to keep his former trainees no matter what. But the thing is that I can totally imagine the group being made of those 10 members and although I was not that much into PSY’s former trainees (besides Jun Hyeok and really really later on Sung Jun), I would not have anything against having this group made of 5 former trainees and 5 newly casted, it would have been like perfect balance and as Hannah Montana says: “You got the best of both worlds” and this would have been the perfect definition of this group. All three of those eliminated members during live rounds were able to improve by short time. PSY said this about Kim Dong Hyun, you said this about Daniel Jikal and nobody said this about Lee Ye Dam, because he does not need to, but I can imagine them being much more better at the time of their debut with this group, since the group has not debuted yet and I can imagine even more they would have been even better after any amount of time after their debut. I spoke just about three of them and not fourth of them, because in case of Koki there is no need to improve, there are only fucking haters… I do not want to finish my last comment of this LOUD journey with you with hating haters, so I will add that although the show got lower with live rounds and got even lower after not debuting Koki, I would still say it is a good show to watch and I do not regret watching it and I will keep my eyes on both groups and I will buy at least the first album (mini, single, anything) they will both release.

anejelly

Here is my take on PSY being biased. With Daniel, for me it felt like PSY is thinking long term. He was incredibly talented, but the problem is whether kpop is cut out for him. As some may know Treasure was supposed to debut with 13 members but Yoonbin ultimately decided to leave the group even before debut, might be because of the delay of their debut but I think it's mostly because he realized that kpop is not the type of music he would want to do in the long term. It felt to me that PSY thought the same thing for Daniel and chose to eliminate him. With Yedam's case I would not argue with that because I also truly believe that he would have been a great addition to the team. Everyone worked so hard to be part of the lineup but honestly, I will not if they decided to add another member to the group. Also, I agree with your take about having an mc of the same gender as the contestants. It's actually funny because Lee Seung Gi was actually the mc of Produce 48 but looking back at the Produce X 101 I'm really glad they chose Lee Dong Wook as the mc because I know how much the contest relied on him.

Anonymous

The No More Dream line up for Pnation group was the lineup that I really wanted to happen because it included Daniel, Koki, Yedam and Hwi kinda sad that it wasn't even close but either way I'm excited for their debut. Plus I'm soooo hyped up to see JYP group debut like we get to truly see how Keiju and Donghyeon evolve.

cy

https://dramacool.ps/watch/loud-episode-15-english-sub/ here's a link where the champion performance wasn't cut out! would love to hear your thoughts on that performance too :> the quality might not be as good though unfortunately!

Lokkij

Okay, a few thoughts. Firstly, I thought the performances were far less tight this episode - but that’s entirely understandable, because the pressure of eliminations was gone and these boys have been prepping three performances per week for over a month, which is incredible and incredibly tiring. Regarding the final lineups: I agree P Nation has lost an edge they had. Their style and music is mostly standard boygroup fare, but it was people like Daniel and Yedam who set them apart. With that gone, they’re left with a team who are all incredibly skilled but not that different from your average idol. They’ll really need to find their own voice to stand out, or they risk becoming just another brash hip-hop based boygroup. I disagree with you on the JYP team though - I think they absolutely have their own color. While I get what you were saying about Gyehun fitting P Nation well, I feel like that would’ve almost been a waste. He fits the P Nation style, but it feels like he has so much more to offer us outside of that mould, and with JYP having much less of a pre-determined image for the team I feel like he could really put his stamp on their music and performances. Same for Amaru, Yoonmin and the rest of the team: they obviously didn’t have time for this during the show because they had to prep these performances at a frankly insane pace, but I have good hope that with the time they’re taking for their debut, they can put out music and performances that really fit their skills and personalities. And so far, their style is also much more unique within the boygroup landscape, which is a big plus for me! Lastly, I’m still really happy with how the show was produced. It did shoot itself in the foot a little with the mandatory eliminations, but overall it’s such a fun and positive show that focused on how incredible these trainees are. This final celebratory episode only confirms that. I had a lot of fun watching it!

Ty

I feel like you can really tell through each groups first song that JYP was focusing on the "Loud" Theme while Psy was more looking for his first boy group which is why he favored his own five so much

Anonymous

Wow, can't believe it is the end of this journey already... Thank you for this experience PD! In terms of the JYPE team not standing out as much as the P.Nation team, I can see what you mean. (By the way, by saying this, I don't mean that they don't have their own colours - they do. And looking at their journey through this show and even judging by the casting round - you can see clearly how bright they can shine) The issues here, which involuntarily makes you compare the two teams is: 1. The training period. 5 of the P.Nation team members had been trainees before entering the competition. The other 2 members on their team are Koki, who is one of the best dancers on the show (and he had been studying dancing since childhood, so it does make him stand-out) and Eunhwi - a position of a rapper (and he is a "true" rapper) helps you stand out if it is "done"/delivered well, so the only thing he has to do is to catch up and not stand out (in a bad way) in terms of dancing. Which makes it into a strong and solid team. JYPE team on the other hand has 3 members (which is more than a half of their team) who are not former JYPE trainees. I have seen some information about Yoonmin training at Cube (and he is incredibly skilled), but still... In this survival show, they did improve but they only had time to prepare for the performances not to exactly focus on the things they might be lacking in the sense of training. (Which I would assume they are focused on atm) I have already mentioned this analogy before, in my comment to the previous episode, but they truly are unpolished gems. 2. The synergy and the teamwork 5 people on the P.Nation team had been training together before the show, they do have a bond already which always helps to create a better performance. In the JYP's team on the other hand, apart from Amaru and Gyehun, no one knew each other before the show started. Therefore they do need more time to get to know each other better and to create a stronger bond as a team. + they do have a foreign member like Keiju, who is still struggling a lot to communicate in Korean which also could be a slight stopper. Like, this whole thing made me think back to the audition round when we could see the former trainee group performances. Both groups were solid and even though the ex-JYPE team had 3 members - they had killed their performance, which only shows that training and a good teamwork does matter. Therefore I am pretty excited yet a bit nervous for the JYPE group to debut since on the show they are still a bit raw and I can only wonder what will training do to them. (Btw, just to make it clear, I love and support both teams and am rooting for them) Also, I really hope to see Yedam, Koki, and Daniel in the future doing music and killing it. (and to be fair, all of the contestants who had shown themselves here on LOUD, like remember Haruto?) Like I am pretty sure Yedam ain't gonna give up on his dream, but I am worried about Koki because it would be such a great loss if he decides to give up on kpop. But again, thank you for such a great journey PD!

Thabit Ayob
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This is a good point actually. Even tho i loved every one of the ten members of PNation team. I felt after the eliminations that PSY missed the point of the show and was biased because he's just too loyal to his trainees who believed in him in the beginning

Thabit Ayob

Now this was the last show i kept subscribed to patreon to watch. I hope we can get Sixth sense back (this is the 1000th time asking for it lol sorry)

Thabit Ayob

I still have a weird hope that we will get YeDam back in the debut team since the show result doesn't mean that much. And also i need a miracle so that they make Daniel a solo artist under pnation. If this happens i'll be serriously losing my mind

BaoziBang

It's so interesting how People reacted to Koki because I was so glad he went back to beeing a Trainee and didn't debut yet. I would have been totally okay if he was in the group if they debuted in 2024 but they are set to debut this year. In my Opinion NO ONE under 15 should debut. It's also not like he left or smth, he's still in PN. Also, maybe the pressure was too much on him because of all the Hate or his Parents decided it. No one actually knows so I don't get how people can say some of the Things I saw on SNS.

BaoziBang

In my Opinion neither Daniel nor Yedam meshed well into the Pnation Group and that they are going a Way better suited to them is much more important to me than getting them into the Group because I love them.

Darleen Pfeiff

In regards of learning choreography I feel like twice have mentioned in an interview that they only had 2 to 3 days to learn the choreography for fancy before they had to film the music video so three weeks seems like a long time in the K-pop industry

Sven Lenders

Hi PD, I was wondering if you plan to do any other survival shows outside of Produce on Tuesday after LOUD ends. If so, here are some shows I would recommend: Mixnine The Unit Stray Kids survival show My Teenage Girl (To elaborate a bit on the controversy of koki's "debut". My teenage girl has 4 classes of which the youngest are children from 2009-2010. So I wonder if it is so bad that he would debut since more and more kids of that age could be debuting.) Even though some of them have no results, I think it is interesting to see how the idols of today started. Moreover I find it very interesting to see your insight on certain shows and their contestants.

Melody

I agree with the Koki situation, he’s very mature for his age, and why is ok for young athletes to delve into their fields but Kpop trainees are commented on in such a harsh manner. I mean I have concerns but some people like Koki seem to thrive. And yes losing Daniel and Yedam lost some of their flavor.

Kpop_Platypus

My final thoughts on Koki: my reservations were never about his talent or work ethic. My reservations are about sasaengs sneaking into his hotel rooms and netizens ripping into him if he ever says anything pro-Japanese or makes a mistake regarding Korean etiquette. Yes, he's VERY mature for his age already & his focus on his goal is incredible, but he IS still a kid; just because he maybe COULD deal with the dark side of the industry doesn't mean he SHOULD have to yet. Correct me if I'm wrong because I didn't watch the show, but Kep1er is a project group, right - just like the Produce groups? Therefore they've literally got an expiration date so they CAN'T wait as long as they really should to debut. These two Loud groups (I really wish we had group names at least...) are permanent, so they have the luxury of waiting as long as they need to to make sure the members are as ready as they can be. Although I hope we don't have to wait TOO much longer because I'm anxious to see them again (though w/ JYP just debuting NMIXX I'm thinking it'll be a least a few more months til we see his boys). I agree w/ PD that I hope they continue to be regarded as "cousins;" it'd be awesome if a collab performance just became a regular thing at SBS's year end Gayo show. My main problem now is: what am I going to do on Sunday nights now?? PD posted on Tuesdays but I usually waited so I could end my week w/ something fun. I'll miss my almost weekly ritual...😅 Thanks for watching PD, I'm glad you enjoyed it overall!!

Jenn BL

I actually joined your Patreon because I wanted to watch LOUD again after seeing TNX debut! Loved watching it with you and such amazing insights!

Anonymous

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