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Listening Party Kep1er 'FIRST IMPACT' + Live Stages (Patreon)

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rockthekazb0t

Okay, now to find out why this LP is 1hr20min long haha

Anonymous

The video does'nt work it's me or ?

eli_nhdoaek

Your comments on their title track MV makes me remember how mad you are with Enhypen's Given Taken MV despite having a good song and budget! Why do these companies butcher the debut MV lol

Anonymous

You saying how ONEWE's M/V added more depth and beauty to the song reminded me of your old reaction to Keyakizaka46's Kuroi Hitsuji. The song is already melancholic with the melody and lyrics, but the music video just added another layer to it and my goodness was it so good. Edit: I agree that WA DA DA M/V could have been done so much better. I hope WAKEONE won't skimp on the budget for their comeback. Edit #2: I just remembered that they practically worked on the EP not too long after the finale of GP999, so I guess that also affected the music video production quality? At this point, we won't know why the M/V was just so basic.

Haruka

Live stages were chef's kiss <3 I hope their next MV would be MUCH better than Wa da da

Amanda Bernström

Im still bitter about them not giving Bahiyyih any lines or screentime, i like their songs but i dont really think i can stan a group where they are leaving one member out :,) But i LOVE their stage for MVSK, its fantastic

Daniela Madrid

I liked wadada but never understood why it was never fully hitting compared to MVSK (cause I watch the MVSK live stage repeatedly)and now I know that it’s because of the music video execution.

Izak

for the music video isn't it wake one that filmed wadada? that might be why it was so poor in comparison to the mnet stages

Sian Hoy

ok im typing this before finishing the whole video (around the point of PD talking about the differences of produce shows and the debut MVs to follow) and I genuinely think the mv became so lacklustre because it was most likely literally rushed - the debut was ORIGINALLY meant to be in Dec of 2021, and so they most likely filmed everything either late Nov or maybe early Dec.......that wasnt a lot of pre-planning time post GP999 to original set date - and even though the debut got postponed to Jan, everything was already filmed and probably in editing stage OR EVEN out of editing stage, So they figured there's no point is redoing anything.

rockthekazb0t

MVSK probably wasn't exactly the concept they wanted to establish for Kep1er's "main vision" (feels like they want a young, fresh, and trendy vibe) - so I get why MVSK probably wouldn't have been great for debut. But with some minor tweaking to the song to make it more "title track" friendly, now imagine if this was their first or SECOND comeback? Minds = blown 🤯 Also Jung Ho Hyun is part of the e.one producing team - actually I dunno if it's a team but that's the name credit in parentheses next to his name in the official MVSK credits(but for some reason not on Genius). Even more songs they produced shows up, for me notably Sequence by Izone. He actually also did the creation mission song Shoot!

Cristine

*my comment didn't post or got deleted... so i'm typing this again TT* I really enjoyed your commentary on their EP and going through the whole journey with you was amazing! I mean what is there not to agree on, the music video for Wa Da Da was such a let down. And it is such a shame, cuz I did like wadada on my first listen and still do but the mv was just so underwhelming in a way. And I think especially coming from a survivor show like GP999, you get so attached to all these members pre-debut that most Idol group don't even have the benefit of getting. So them not showcasing or presenting the group to their full potential is a huge miss. As for MVSK, it will go down as the superior song on this EP. It's such a refreshing contrast from wadada in just how they present it and everyone truly shines in the performance. And tbh the line distribution isn't that great here either but everyone gets their moment and it's just amazing. 10 out of 10! Now, with the whole debate on wadada's execution the one thing it managed to do is pique my interest but in a whole different way. Cuz the only thing I keep thinking is that there is NO WAY that they will drop the ball on their comeback mv. I'm not expecting better line distribution but I do want a better music video, it's the least they wakeone or whoever can do.

Peikoririn

An hour and 20 minutes of PD about to throw hands with Mnet

Darkqueen

I personally really enjoyed the title once I heard it on its own. I do agree that the debut/MV felt rushed and wasn't planned out thoroughly. I feel like many members were left out of this video and song. There are different examples of how to highlight a member in an MV when they don't have many lines in the song, so that the audience doesn't realize how little they sing and it was not executed correctly here, one example being Sunoo in Drunk-Dazed where he was very prominent in the video but didn't actually have many lines in the song. On a positive note, the actual ep is very enjoyable and has been on repeat for me. I do agree that MVSK wouldn't be the right debut song but works really well as an eye-catching bside. I am hoping that since there is already choreography for it, they will do an end of promotion performance week with it. I am expecting that without the pressure of debuting right after formation, the next comeback will be better planned in terms of sound and MV and all of the members get their moments to fully shine.

채채즈

I love PD's comparison on this debut more than any other because yours is not toxic and more like an objective and professional comparison between kep1er and iz*one. I do also agree that IZ*ONE discography is amazing, the title and choreography feel similar but evolve in each comeback, also the b-sides feel like it's the most diverse in terms of genres which I like because they got to try everything. I hope kep1er team can do better to match the hype for the girls.

채채즈

Also another note on why they didn't make a kep1er ver. for snake, when and if you watch PD48, it actually the same for other produce series groups, like in produce series they got concept evaluation and debut evaluation where it's a new song for the girls to perform in the show. The concept evaluation did not get a remake but the debut evaluation songs and their one ballad or slow song in the last episode were always in the group debut album. An example of a song that PD may be familiar with is PD48 Rumor made by Eden, it's a song for their concept evaluation, they did not make the IZ*ONE version but they still get the chance to do the performance for that song as IZ*ONE. So maybe if there's a concert for kep1er in their early career, they probably will perform snake since they did not have many songs yet, it's like the produce series group formula. Hope you understand my messy explanation :)

Dia
>>75735886

Right?? I really feel like they rushed the debut process. I wish they had taken more time to work with the girls, find a song and sound that highlighted the girls well and gave them a more unique and distinct sound. I really like Kep1er and this line up of girls is really talented but it just felt like their debut had no direction.

milky

LMAO "Mnet is a piece of poo" agreed.

Annika

Their studio choom performance also is shot so well that it always makes me mad how bad the mv was

Serena

this is like enhypen's given-taken mv all over again

GoldenBoy

I feel because they only had 2 months to prepared this debut after the show is where things went wrong because of that deadline and preparing the album everything was rushed to the point they realized we fucked up but often times the companies that I'm invested in usually take into consideration the people feedback so here is hoping to there comeback being better I feel they really only have 3 tries before people actually ground there opinion on the group I'm really invested into the girls and hope they do well on Comeback

Dia

Really enjoyed the passion you gave this analysis. I largely agree with everything you pointed out. I knew Shannon worked on the song but I didn’t know about the 7 other writers! That’s wild for a song that is pretty much adlibs. Anyway, I agree MVSK isn’t title track material, however I think the concept and presentation is just so good idk why they didn’t scrap WADADA on the spot and given them a title track and mv worthy of a bside like MVSK (to be clear, I like WaDaDa, I just think it could have been better). Really hope they learn from this and take their time with Kep1er’s comeback

Emi R.

I’m not a professional dancer or anything but did dance for many years and I’d be super shocked if my next statements aren’t correct: I think mnet had MVSK submitted for the show songs but decided to hold onto it for the debut so there was way more time to choreograph and make a solid concept. So when the girls were chosen they could start practicing as a group right away with the choreo before they had a title track picked out. It is SO MUCH more polished, they definitely had more time to practice it. On the other hand, mnet was waiting for an amazing title track. Previous produce groups had companies jumping to sell them a killer song and I feel like mnet was expecting that but nothing was jumping as hard so some upper management was like “wadada is good but we need to level it up somehow” and pushed for the oohs, then timing was thrown off, things were rushed and I wouldn’t be surprised if the girls got the choreo less than a week before the mv filmed. It looks like they literally only had a couple days if that, with fittings and other filming thrown in, to practice that slapped together choreo. The choreographer probably only had a day to remake it and was originally only given the song without the oohs. And once the vibe changed they had to remake the choreo but only had time to make some changes not start over from scratch with a new vision. Watch me be wrong but I’m pretty sure I’m not.

Anonymous

People: MVSK should be tittle track me: WTF, SHINE SHOULD BE TITTLE TRACK MAN, THIS IS SO GOOD

excellen

The debut was rushed since the show ended october 22nd and they would have debuted on december 14th and even had a MAMA performance scheduled for december 11th to capitalize on the popularity of the show internationally. But then one of their staff got covid and then Mashiro and Xiaoting got it too so everything got delayed. And in some ways it was better that it did since it gave them some more time to smooth things out like you saw on these live stages. If you watch their dance practice for Wa Da Da their sincronization is on point right now. Although there was a lot of negativity on debut day and the song charted pretty low initially on korean charts (they are killing it in Japan though they love Kep1er there) people have been turning around on the song. In Korea the song has been slowly rising after they started performing in music shows because just like you they think the performance is really cool specially Dayeon's part in the beginning and are liking the song better for it. And praising their raw vocals on their encore stages (they got 2 wins this week! one on Mcountdown and one on Music Bank) so I totally agree on the debate of singing vs talk-singing. They could have done a bright kind of badass song with more vocal parts than talk-singing to showcase them better specially since there were a lot of people still questioning Chaehyun's vocals just because she sometimes struggled during GP999.

채채즈

Actually, I think it's more to the production team rather than the rush, cause all the groups from the produce series do have a similar preparation time for debut, like 1-2 months after the show ends they straight to debut. So I think it's this wadada mv team that messes it up seeing the other produce group mv team could showcases the group better.

Anonymous

where is UTOPIA? I was sad that they didn't put it on the album :c

Sian Hoy
>>75738621

my gosh if mvsk was their first comeback song......we might really have been floored- AND WITH THE DEBUT SHOW STYLING

rockthekazb0t
>>75743198

Actually, I feel like your conspiracy theory has some merit... MVSK song producer had previously already worked on OOO and then Shoot! And apparently MVSK was choreographed by BOTH the GP999 dance masters. Hmm.... 🤔

serenity

I've been watching all of the Wa Da Da performances as they came out (and every Xiaoting fancam lol) so i've gotten very used to the song and now listening to it it feels like a very normal track but I do remember those first few listens were very jarring and disappointed I guess I was expecting a title track as epic as Flash or something but the rest of the album is great!!! I still really like Wa Da Da don't get me wrong but it definitely could've been better

serenity

I agree the music video is trash I especially am not a fan of the clothing it feels tacky in my opinion

Gabby

I didn't watch GP999 but a bunch of stuff from it kept popping up on my feeds while it was airing so I did get interested in Kep1er's debut (the space/planet theme they got going is really cute imo I really like it lol). Seriously WADADA has been stuck in my damn head ALL THE TIME since it came out, it's SUPER CATCHY imo and not a bad song at all. I do agree with all that you said. I think the "Oh" post-chorus was just forced in and it was a little jarring to hear the first time. I've gotten used to it but I remember being taken aback when I first heard it. Also agree 100% with what you said about the MV in your Kulture Study and in this listening party. Seriously what is UP with the lines/screen time, why didn't they balance it out? And why couldn't they just make the MV more cohesive? I'm pretty sure they have lore I bet they could've worked that into the MV more and it would be better. I'm not familiar with survival shows and the overall timeline from formation to debut but SURELY they could've done SOMETHING better? I'm glad you noticed shannon and prismfilter because I was ALSO surprised when I saw them on the credits, especially since Ruby came out on the SAME DAY as WADADA. It actually made me look up prismfilter and their other works because I knew how involved they are with Seventeen but didn't know how big a production team they were or just how many people they've worked with other than svt. Now that you've pointed out the sheer amount of people involved in the song I'm just like "yo wtf HAPPENED???" because wow that's lowkey a MESS. I hope that if shannon and prismfilter continue to work with Kep1er they can just be left to do their own thing like you said. I'm really rooting for the girls and I really want their comeback to be better.

Luke Kim

I don't get why Wakeone didn't have a set and capable MV team way beforehand. Yes everything was rushed but the only thing that should've been a bit untidy from the MV was maybe the girls' choreo due to not enough time. Not the whole production of the all-important debut MV..

Wiktor

I have to say it but Xiaoting is Kep1er's unofficial center. SHE has the 'IT' factor, the other members do not have when it comes to center quality. They need to give up on the P1 getting center concept acc this point. LOOK HOW SHE ATE that. When she stands center KEP1ER gets this etherial vibe as a whole. it looks 'right'

Bennime
>>75743270

true but shine was already on the show so its different. I am actually hoping to see something cuter from them at some point, like shine or even more so like shoot.

Wendalla

After listening to wa da da for the first time, it sounds like a song another group would do but I just couldn't remember which group I'm thinking of. But after PD read who wrote the song, I finally realize it kinda sounds like a Pristin song. Wa da da reminds me so much of "We Like" since Shannon Bae (on wa da da's lyrics and composition credit) is Sungyeon from Pristin who also wrote their title songs "Wee Woo" and "We Like" and PrismFilter is a producing group that works closely with Seventeen and fromis9 which both are Pledis groups so now the specific sound and vibe Wa da da gives me makes so much sense. And I agree 100% about the mv ruining the song and the first-time viewing experience. When I saw the mv, my first impression of it was that the song is messy and I think that was due to the editing. It even made me thought "did the girls not practice enough before the filming because the dance was all over the place." But I was wrong because when I watched the live performance on their showcase they were many dance parts where they are super in sync and many killing points in the choreo which should've been shown in the mv but instead, they decided to add the most underwhelming "oh, oh, oh" hand-circle choreo part. Which in my opinion is also the part of the song that messed up the overall flow of the song especially since that is the post-chorus. If the choreo for that section was better, it could've made the song a 9 or even a 10 out of 10 for me.

Rebecca Le Minh

This was super enlightening. I also never thought that mvsk (the song) fit the image for a title track, however it might have been groundbreaking if they had actually come out with it; I mean that would be a phenomenon right? They all really shone and when I saw the performance I wished that I could say this was their debut rather than wa da da, that makes me go : okay, its a debut, they have time to improve, whereas mvsk feels super pro. But wa da da still fits the mold more... WHY TF IS THE MV LIKE THIS THO, I understood it a lot better through your review but I AM SO MAD 😭😭😭

Brooklyn

I do agree with a lot of what you had to say. I mean the MV is terrible, and you can tell that they tried to make up for the lack of a cohesive creative direction with a bunch of post production editing, which looks cool but also cheapens the MV bc it just feels like a bandaid. My other problem with WDD is that it feels just like what any other B tier 4th gen gg would do. It’s the bright girl-crush fusion song with made up words as the killing point. Like obviously I realize that they only had so much time to bring everything together, but for a group with such hype and budget I was expecting something unique. Don’t get me wrong, I like it and it’s grown on me, but especially coming off the heels of IZ*ONE and how unique and clearly defined their sound was from debut, I was disappointed by WDD because it felt like an Itzy wannabe (no pun intended) or something like that - something that is another group’s established style, got popular, and became imitated to capitalize off the popularity. I think they were trying to blend these two concepts from MVSK (mature, cool) and Shine + OOO (cute, bright) especially with the added OOO reference in the post chorus. I wish they had stuck to one concept and then reserved the 2nd concept for the bsides and future cb’s (almost like Red Velvet with their Red and Velvet concepts). I’m also a bit miffed that they didn’t make See the Light into a full song because it’s so good! Nonetheless, I am invested in Kepler and hope their team does better for them in the future.

DTruth

I've watched the MCountdown Live stage for Wadada and the intro was shot better than the MV. It was 100x better than the MV and it only showed their faces!!!

billie27
>>75743695

To be fair kep1er had to debut in the middle of an ongoing pandemic so I feel like it made the process much harder for the production team... They probably have so many protocols to respect. If we look at enhypen debut who also debut pretty quickly after iland the MV they had for given-taken was not the prettiest... It's the only logical reason I could find bc like you said all the other groups from the produce series debut were immaculate despite the short time they had to debut.

Lastelios

the first time i saw the video i said to myself, why the fuck did they keep the parts where the girls are out of sync, then i realized it was because it was done in a hurry , i can understand why but i wish they put more quality becouse i love these girls

Lastelios

also i apreciate that you are not biasblind , even if you like something you always say if there are things wrong so that they can improve

Anonymous

So I went and did some research on who was responsible for the WaDaDa video. Kep1er has 3 different companies responsible for them, CJ ENM, Wakeone, and Swing. Swing was in charge of the MV, and specifically Bang Jaeyeob Film is credited for the MV, which is super interesting, because looking at the other videos he has created, Stray Kids ‘Thunderous’, ‘Gods Menu’, ‘Scars’, ‘All In’ and ‘Back Door’, Itzy ‘Mafia in the Morning’, GOT7 ‘Breathe’ and ‘Last Piece’, Jamie’s ‘Numbers’, and so much more, and all of the work he has done previously is AMAZING, literally so good. Why was WaDaDa so bad, if Bang Jaeyeob is such a good director?? Probably Mnet pressure, which would lend to the idea that the video was super rushed, and Mnet did not give him a lot to work with, in terms of production team, budget ect. I just find it interesting that a director who normally puts out the highest quality work, directed something so disappointing.

Violet Joo

I didn't watch Girls Planet so this was really new to me. The MV was shitty but the song is not that bad. I like the song but MVSK I like it better. Also I saw the girls on MusicBank and they really are good. For a newbie group their stage presence is not bad. The only thing is Mnet doing shitty work with talented people. There's a saying that Mnet did Mnet and that's what they did with Kep1er's debut MV. Is just that Mnet only cares about money and is not doing quality job.

Anonymous

The song has grown on me a lot and you really helped me understand what went wrong with their debut from a directors perspective. I really hope that mnet steps it up and helps the girls shine. They have so much potential and I'm excited to see what direction they take them in musically

Maca
>>75754093

i disagree that other members don't have "it" - i think yeseo is an incredible center and will only get better the older she gets

sunnyside

wa da da has grown on me a LOT, but god. i HATE the mv. AND I ALSO HATE THE LITTLE THUMB TWIDDLE. i actually really like the rest of the choreo, especially now that they've had more time to practice and are more in synch and just cleaner, but i HAAAAATE the thumb thing. also yeah, i ADORE mvsk and already have a gut feeling that even in the longrun it will be one of my favorite kepi songs (sequence is my fave izone song lol) but i disagree SOOO strongly on people saying it should've been the title. i think in the excitement of a bside being good and a title being devisive, people forget there's a difference between a song meant to be a GREAT bside and a song meant to be a GREAT title. because there are some bsides i ADORE from groups, but they are not meant to be titles. i really hope in the future we get better quality mvs :( it's such a letdown being a produce fan seeing IZONE MVS (fiesta changed the world imo) and then going to this. i wanna see kep1er get something as crazy as that :(

Maca

just got to the part where you watch the "WA DA DA" debut show performance and i had the exact same reaction "WTF THIS IS BETTER THAN THE MV?" LMAO

希文 王

I mean they already did a bunch of references to the O.O.O., it definitely felt too much especially with the post chorus :\ I agree with all that you said PD! People wanted MVSK as the title track because they felt let down by Wa Da Da, but (since we're all in on the Iz*one comparisons) if their MV and song had been as amazing as Panorama, then MVSK would have just been a god tier bside like Sequence!

Tesa
>>75762660

i'm curious where you found this? i haven't seen any info on Bang Jaeyeob working with Kep1er

Emma Davies Lopez

hahaha love the pure rage at the start of the wadada live stage! i had the same reaction. but yeah totally agree, the girls deserved a better mv and whether that was wakeone’s, swing’s or mnet’s problem we don’t know. the live stages are iconic though in styling and production so i’m so glad you checked them out and we all got to see the pure shock throughout mvsk haha

Anonymous

I much prefer MVSK over WADADA, and on a first listen I would have preferred it as a title track. That being said, I agree with you that it wouldn't work as well. It excels as a B-side that gets promoted, and honestly deserves an MV (a good one...). WADADA has grown on me but nowhere near as good as MVSK.

Emily L.

Just wanted to put some of my thoughts out before I watch, it's my take on why things might have felt rushed? Kep1er had a little less than 2 months before the original Dec debut date, but I’m very curious as to how much actual time the girls had to do everything since there are Covid precautions compared to past mnet survival shows, namely Produce groups. Has anyone else thought about it? I know most people will want to compare Kep1er's debut to past Mnet groups like IZ*One, but I personally think more so to Enhypen’s debut situation since there are very similar conditions. Something I'd like to point out is how both of these groups' debuts were near the very end of the year. So on top of learning songs and filming for their respective albums, both groups were also immediately in the MAMA lineup. For Enhypen, they actually had a little over 2 months instead, MAMA 2020 was not live or had an on-site audience, and it was actually a little after their debut date. With Kep1er, I expected that more emphasis was put into the MAMA performance rather than the MV and album photoshoots. Since MAMA 2021 did have an on-site audience, it prob put a lot more pressure on Kep1er since it would've been their first live performance and the world's first glimpse of them as a group before the MV and album dropped. But since a staff member got Covid mere days before the date, Kep1er had to quarantine and couldn't attend. Definite no on redoing the album since physical copies would have been completed already for distribution by Dec 14. I personally think there might have been a chance they could have refilmed the MV given the timeframe, but it didn't happen since two members ended up with Covid. The company most likely to scrap or save anything for later use that had to do with their performance such as performing O.O.O, def a special intro performance/dance break, and a VCR of some sort (possibly refilmed for debut show?). The girls took time to prepare for MAMA, but they couldn't show those results. I'm thinking that had Kep1er been able to perform, there's a good chance we'd be amazed by their MAMA performance and then disappointed by the MV lol BUT this is just my theory, and there was some good out of the delayed debut such as it being a very fun start for 2022 for me! Oh and they had more time to polish their performances, the debut show stages are very satisfying for me and look cleaner!

비

PLEASE my kep1er chat and i all had the same reaction when hearing mvsk for the first time. it’s simply top tier, though i agree not title track material

Emily L.

OH just hit me while I was watching your reaction, and I believe I saw someone comment on this somewhere else? During WA DA DA's bridge, they had such a great opportunity of having GP999's K1, J1, and C1 do that part together! Now I love Mashiro don't get me wrong, but if they had just swapped her for that line with Hikaru it would've been a great nod to the show. Which makes me think when they got the line distribution for the song, and I forget where I saw this with another group, but honestly the lyric sheet might've not had their names yet and was just split as vocal 1/part 1, etc. I even went to recheck their recording behind, btw it was filmed before the MV given their hair colors, but I couldn't get a clear shot of the sheet so 🤷‍♀️ EDIT: I feel like I'm of the few who find the little O.O.O part cute and fun, the small member duets are especially endearing to me in that section. I do think I could've preferred them taking out either the first or second post chorus OR just leaving in the last one so it would've felt more like an outro to the song? The last formation feels the most exciting, though some members would get even less lines so also an issue.

Anonymous

Off topic, I wanna know what headphones you're using PD! 😄

zbyndagram

Idk why but I get silent night vibes from MVSK.

Emily L.

PD's talking about this and prob doesn't know since they didn't watch the previous seasons, but I'm pretty confident that we will get a performance of at least one of the creation songs in the future from Kep1er! Now a mp3 recording eh happens sometimes, but Kep1er could perform the creation songs at their own concert/fanmeet or at a year end show. I think one of the most glaring examples (kind of Produce 48 spoiler but is it really I think PD watched the MAMA performance of it?) is IZ*One doing Rumor and they only have one member from the original PD48 unit in it. They've also done the other original songs from that evaluation ep, so it's not really an issue of erasing the past performers of those songs. I.O.I and Wanna One have done the same with several songs! Recording for the debut ep? X1 have their version of MOVE which was on PDX101 as a track. Here even an Enhypen example, they recorded Flicker for the debut album and have performed Chamber 5 as a group, albeit both songs did have almost all their original members except K in Flicker. But yeah typically it's the song that won in their respective show or is just very well known in views, so I'm guessing U+Me=Love (winner) and Snake (most views) are likely? The 4 creation songs that have their original member in Kep1er is at a 2-2-2-3 split with Snake having 3 members (Xiaoting, Hikaru, and Dayeon), but they could be like IZ*One and kind of just do them all at some point.

Marly Barry

hiyyih looks soooo good on the mvsk stage. i'm so mad they did her dirty on the wa da da mv. i looove wa da da, i can't stop listening to it but the mv is so terrible.

Emily L.

Omg yes the live stages were filmed better, and I feel like maybe the debut show that went up might have been refilmed for the later date OR they were just dancing better bc it was one of the last things they filmed before they had to delay the debut. We do both agree that MVSK is such a great b-side and not necessarily made for a title track, but that performance is just so good. I do dislike that they picked my least fav WDD outfit set for the debut show, like some of the outfits are ok (def not Hikaru's though)? But I ABSOLUTELY love the outfit set they wore on Music Core (220108), people might disagree about some of the hot pink pieces here and there, but I think it's eye catching, a little quirky, but still manages to look cute! Hikaru is a big YES in that outfit, and Chaehyun is technically wearing all black but she has her pink hair to tie it all together. Kind of wish you got to watch the Shine stage for Kep1er, but I'm still very appreciative of the videos you did get to watch here! Can't wait to watch the remaining GP999 eps and future Kep1er content with you 💕

Joy

WakeOne did Hiyyih dirty in this debut album. The mini album is 20 minutes long and of those 20 minutes Hiyyih has 40 seconds of it. Her longest vocal time is in OOO and the rest of the songs are all one line and ablids which, really just gave OT8 stans more fuel for their fire. I noticed watching other reactions that if you are brand new to Kep1er (like no nothing about them) you were way more likely to love the song than someone who has been following the group since gp999. I personally do not care if Kep1er has a distinguished sound / concept like IZONE but if they are going to continue with high teen they need to do it better than the rest to stand out in a very over saturated market. Plus JYP, SM, and HYBE will all be debuting girl groups this year so competition will be very fierce. My fingers are crossed that WakeOne will give the girls a hit song for their comeback along with more fair line distributions.

Anonymous

I really hate the OOO chant during Wadada because it doesn’t work that well with the rest of the song and it’s too repetitive and long. If you split the OOO time to real lines, you probably can solve the line distribution problem (agree that Bahi got little to no time). I still think that MVSK should have been the title or at least heavily promoted because they are showing sound, styling and performance that not that many groups are trying right now. Would be a nice way of having their mark on a market that should be really competitive this year. You have aespa already big, IVE doing well, JYPE and HYBE with new groups and even STAYC doing really well. You need more than WADADA to be able to get a good position

希文 王

on a more cheerful note, this had been added to my mental list of "videos of PD raging that bring me joy", which includes of course the famous video of WJSN's dreams come true (there's at least another one that I'm not remembering)

Annie

Despite of what people think, i love wadada, the ooo part is a little bit too much for me but i still love the song. Note: izone didn't start the whole synchronization thing when they debuted, is well know that GFRIEND are basically known for their syncronized performances, them and seventeen carry the titles of queen and kings of syncronization till this day, so naturally there was gonna come a time where groups started focusing more on performance, groups like itzy, izone, stayc, are extremely syncronized but there was a bar set already by gfriend so

Shancii
>>75775088

Looks like Beyerdymanic DT 770 PRO. Got them aswell, and would absolutely recommend!

h

“fire yourselves”- god pd we’ve been screaming that to mnet for years.

formoftherapy
>>75743845

I have a feeling all the creation mission songs were off limits and reserved for the girls who performed them on the show

queen gowon

honestly this video opened my eyes as to why I was so upset about kep1ers debut in the first place. I knew that there was some part of it that I didn't like but i couldn't quite place what it was. I was starting to think I was being picky, despite knowing how great the girls can be from what we've seen of then from gp999. I can finally have closure lol

anejelly

You have to check out their choreography video for Wa Da Da in suits. Shen Xiaoting ate that performance and they all look so goooood.

Aurayaya

I hate the "ooo" part during wa da da and the choreo for it SO MUCH its making me uncomfortable

Anonymous

Wake One is the same as Mnet, they have their favorites and don't intend to hide that.

Anonymous

While it might have made the chorus feel short I feel like they should have left out the O.O.O. Part till the final chorus and then brought it in for the final hype moment of the song

Emily L.

Just found out Freemind did the choreo for WA DA DA, here's the video if anyone wants to check it out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fC0bCYtH9A It's pretty clear a lot of the moves made it into the final ver, but you can also see differences! Like what I got on my first watch: O.O.O post chorus hands look more like a triangle but still have the thumb rotation lol, some members' parts were originally for another member (you can tell since they label each part on screen), Youngeun's prechorus floor move isn't there, and some formations are different too. Isn't it fascinating to see a product before its final form?

NM

people want MVSK to be the title track because they wanted to respond to Wadada the way they responded to MVSK the first time. The performance, the song, the outfits/hair/makeup all complimented each other while also showcasing each member. it was better planned and presented - it shouldnt be a title track but it was better managed.

randomAlienVisitor

i do not care for "Wa da da" as a song, the OOO part kind of ruined it for me. That OOO part has been done before in other songs, and it just not interesting or catchy to me. I honestly am pretty disappointed. Hikaru's rap part is like the shortest rap verse i've heard in a kpop song, and they really didn't even let her rap. She is just kind of talking in a hushed voice, and then without any transition it switches to Yeseo singing. Its kind of jarring and does not feel integrated into the song.

Anonymous

i think i'm one of the few people that liked WA DA DA as it is (even though i have to agree on the MV being just a huge mess) and I still prefer it over Mvsk, i just really don't know what was Mnet thinking when they did the MV, maybe it was rushed because the COVID issues they had or something

Sascha

I liked Wadada and still like it as a title track better than Mask but everything you said on the MV, choreo, production and lyrics made a lot of sense to me, so I understand the complaints about it way better now. The MVSK performance was instant legendary status so it's very hard to argue against it being superior to Wadada when it comes to choreo, outfits, stage design etc. Maybe the title track was added last minute and with COVID it was even more rushed idk, but it's a shame that this MV will always stand as their debut MV. But it is what it is & I still vibe a lot with the song itself. Also gotta say, this was one of the most entertaining and hilarious listening parties of yours PD, your rants and outbursts were just such mood and highly relatable.

duster8up

I completely agree with your critic of the WADADA M/V. I actually think they were too reliant on their editors. I've been a video editor... Not on anything major, but the premise is still the same. If you hand me shit to work with, I'll make it shiny and flashy; but it's still going to be shit.

Liv

It almost feels like they were so pressured to put something out for Kep1er to debut already that they rushed all mv production since they were already pushed behind for debut bc of covid delay like they already missed their opportunity with mama, just my theory

Liv

also with a 9 member group you would think that they would have a longer title track, it's already hard enough to have a 5 or 4 member group with a short song to have time for lines BARELY 3 MINUTES???? and such a short song doesn't make sense for a DEBUT it doesn't seem like the right move when you're trying to introduce the idols

Liv

I completely understand why mvsk was not the title track, maybe something like this style would be great later down the road for the group but they are definitely trying (and makes sense + the members are INCREDIBLY YOUNG which people tend to forget) to go more cute for their image/concept so WA DA DA makes more sense

Letícia

I'm LIVING for PD going on a 20-minute rant about why the WA DA DA music video sucks

agaa

vid dont exist

BunnyTale Playz

Noooo why does the video not exist :(

Childe Erick

Video doesn’t exist…