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LOUD Ep. 9 (Patreon)

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2021-12-21 17:01:02
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LOUD Ep. 9

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Malaki.H

This is why I find Hyunjins situation so fascinating, he was street casted and didnt rap or dance, but he grew a passion for it after being casted and hes freaking amazing at what he does and he immediatly graps you.

Malaki.H

Also this is basically the voice in a way Lol

Malaki.H

Dude I love Lee seungi soo much

B

Just want to mention that Peniel is also a Korean American that has found success and happiness in Korea. Still completely agree with your point though.

Jenni Laine

I agree you about the korean-american thing and about the idol lifestyle in general. I personally respect idols and their work so much and i think their role is very meaningful atleast to me. I have been a fan of western artist before but never really felt that type of connection or admiration as I do with idols. One Direction is a bit of an exception though cause that was the first group/artist i started to really like and follow so they have a special place in my heart and there is that nostalgia. I just feel like the relationship between idols and their fans is so unique and rly beautiful. (Obviously there are those extreme cases and the dark sides of things...) and kpop in general feels a lot more inspiring to me because its about the whole picture (choreo, style, makeup, personality, singing etc...) I absolutely hate how in western culture a lot of the times any publicity is good publicity. Or atleast I feel like thats the mentality a lot of the times in America. Personally i'm fron Finland which is a completly different place to america or korea but still very much western. Our artists are pretty chill and there rly isn't any drama with our 5.6 million people in this country xddd. We're like a small northern village compared to the rest of the world lmao So i dont like how american artists benefit from drama and get away with things. In that case i feel like kpop idols are better role models.

Anonymous

I really hope JYP scouts Goki anyways after this show or HYBE picks him up

Jenni Laine
>>74132339

Or Taeyong from NCT. He was streetcasted too and didn't rly have any skills in dance or rap etc. And look at him now :D He is one of the lead dancers and rappers in NCT, also a leader and pretty much the center of the group xD. His passion is truly admirable! I also heard from somewhere that SM's like catchphares/motto is that "talent can be taught"

Aleksandra

About Goki. I agree he is amazing performer, got talent and all but as PSY said he's worried about the balance whitin the group. Goki is really young, other guys are much older than him and have got more experience or are more trained in idol dancing than him. And to debut a group straight away after the show the kid is at a small disadvantage imo. Producers are thinking not only about talent but also about the overall group image and energy. It's hard to say if Goki would find his place in a group with older boys so casting him and debut right away is a bit of risk. But I really like him and I'm looking forward to see what his future will be!

LoLo

not gonna lie these casting rounds made me SO ANGRY and i yelled at my tv a lot haha. i have very big opinions but i'll keep them to myself for now until it's over. i was hoping that daniel would go to jyp for my own selfish reasons, but i completely understand why he would choose pnation instead. definitely very surprised at the non-casting of koki because he's crazy talented and he's meshed very well with every group he's been put in thus far.

WiseSmellyLegs

Okay, so before I share my thoughts on each audition in this episode, I will share my “dream team” or basically the team I would have made, if it was up to me. And although I did not have any preferences for JYPEnt or P-Nation at the beginning of LOUD, I would prefer to have this team/group signed under P-Nation, because I really like PSY and whole P-Nation vibe now. So here they are: - Daniel Jikal - Eun Hwi - Kim Dong Hyun - Tanaka Koki - Lee Ye Dam - Kim Min Seoung - Yoon Min - Kang Hyun Woo - Cheon Jun Hyeok And I do not know with the last one to make it 10 members group. I mean, like this it would be perfect for me, but if I had to choose, it would be Amaru, Gye Hun or Keiju.

Plumboy

An idol isn’t a job its something you are, so the Korean-American thing makes sense, because we Americans look at things as a “job” not a true reflection of us as a person. When it comes to Goki I understand , not only is he young, but he looks young. And that could hold a group back from certain concepts until he looks his age. both PSY and JY probably have an “set” image of their groups already and just looking for the pieces that best fit or can be molded into that image, and with Goki looking so young he could lack flexibility in his image. I do think if he was maybe 15 or just a bit taller he would’ve gotten casted np. So yeah I don’t see it as a talent thing with Goki it’s purely how he fits into the groups image.

WiseSmellyLegs

I love P-Nation staff for their joy, when a contestant joins their company! Kim Dong Hyun: As PSY said, although he is not one of those, who would be able to debut right now, he is able to improve a lot by every round and also he is able to adapt to every concept/situation and etc. Also… they are saying: “to debut now”, but it has been over 3 months and none of those two groups debuted… so it is not literally “now now” like in a month for example. Besides that, the key thing I like about him is his passion for rap. As you mentioned about Woo Kyung Joon before, that he is assigned rapper. Although PSY mentioned Woo Kyung Joon wanted on his own to be a rapper, you are right he does not have the soul of a true rapper and that is what Kim Dong Hyun has! Anyway, Kim Dong Hyun is one of my favorite ones and I wanted him in P-Nation, so I am glad PSY chose him. Lee Soo Jae: I was not into him before and unfortunately this performance did not change my mind… Eun Hwi: I mentioned this many times before, but I do love the chemistry between JYP and PSY. They are like some iconic duo from a sitcom TV series! To tell something about JYP’s words before 3rd round as he asked him about being an idol. I see, what he meant. But on the other hand since Kpop has been changing every generation, I do not think the stereotypical look of an idol is necessary, or at least not as much as JYP presented it. As with producing their own music… it has changed and because of that we started to get more and more groups with music producing members. I am not sure if I am expressing my thoughts right. Let me compare it to the whole situation around idols not being able to get the excuse of not going to he military as you talked about it in your video in PD vs The Internet. You said idols were not considered as true artist, so they were not able to get this excuse as other singers and artists, who were acknowledged for their work for their country in this way. And that has been changing and idols are not about just pretty faces and being a role model, who sings, dances and raps to a song made by some industry. I mean, yeah it is still like this, I am not trying to say it is completely different now, but it is not the same as it used to be. And since this has been changing, the “portrait” of an idol has changed as well and there are idols, who became idols for their passion, talent or also because they wanted to be a role model, but a role model, who has something to say and share their thoughts to have an impact to the public. Anyway… Eun Hwi is one of my top 3 and I wanted him under P-Nation, so I am so glad he chose P-Nation! What else to say? His performance was really good as always and I have been listening to that song on Apple Music until now so… I like the song a lot as well! The hype of P-Nation staff after Eun Hwi chose them, just pure happiness 🙏🏽🙏🏽😽😽😻😻 Daniel Jikal: Well, this was simply mind-blowing. Again… he is one of my top 3, I wanted to have him under P-Nation and that is what happened, so I am super glad again! I feel bad not to tell anything more… I totally agree with you. Even if I take aside my biased point of view, I cannot imagine him being under JYPEnt. Or I can obviously, but P-Nation is much more better option for him… Tanaka Koki: Koki is my number 1 since the first episode and there was no episode I would question myself about that. Koki is a little giant! No words are needed to say… But again, I have to write something here and since you talked about him a lot at the end of this video, I have a lot of things to respond with. I think JYPSY did not want to say it out loud, but the true reason was that they were thinking in a way like: “Alright, there many more members not casted yet, so let us see, who will we get and then we can add him as an extra/special flavor to that group to make the group phenomenal” But I agree with you. One of the reasons, why I wanted you to watch LOUD was Koki and your opinion about him. You started to watch LOUD with the information “there is someone really young”. There was Moon Maden (he is able to be seen during some parts of reactions of other contestants, but his audition was not showed during any episode), who did not make it through audition, so yeah… it was not him… then Hong Yeon Sung (he auditioned with Rainism by Rain and performed with Choi Tae Hun Fireworks by Ateez during the second round), but he got eliminated so the last ones were Tanaka Koki and Na Yun Seo, but Yun Seo got eliminated the next round after Hong Yeon Sung, so Koki was the one, who you heard about, the one, who ignited many not really pleasant discussions on the internet… Your words are completely the same as mine, when I tried to explain it to those haters, why Koki is not just a random boy… but I will share more of my thoughts later on, when this round is over. I mean those discussions started around this time, when those haters or actually everybody did not even know if Koki will be casted or not, so I wanted to share my thoughts as little as possible not to spoil anything.

kisa1909

I predicted that Eunhwi would have both producers wanting him. I always wondered if his braces kind of get in the way with his rapping, but I suppose we won't find out until we see him perform with them removed. I figured they'd also both come forward for Daniel, and I do really like his rapping. I don't really vibe with his personality, but there's no denying his talent, and seems like a good kid so I hope he makes it. I also think that was Lee Soo Jae's best performance so far and can see how far he's come. But I get what JYP says about "bounce" and what you're saying about him needing "sauce." I actually thought that the producers would use the age excuse for Koki, so it wasn't surprising for me...but I think I would've exchanged Kim Dong Hyun with Koki honestly, if they didn't use the "age" card. Lee SeungGi made the casting round for me though. I adore him. I was laughing so hard at all his comments and the way he was trading jabs with JYPSY. I do think people totally don't think or don't know he's also a singer. He definitely gets promoted more for his acting. I also like the way he seemed to be very eager to be helpful to the auditionees. They seemed comfortable with him and it looks like they relaxed a bit on stage when he was up there with them.

WiseSmellyLegs
>>74154649

The problem is Kpop presents idols or new idols even more as pure not even human beings but something above that. So it seems like they have never heard of anything “from the world of adult ones” and I don’t want to start a discussion about this topic now, but I want to show on that, that if those ones, who debut at the age around 15+ years old are presented as completely immature children then 12-13 years old Koki is assumed to be a total baby. Which is not the true in both cases. They are still humans as everybody else and… I don’t know… I don’t think 12 years old people think they are babies… But this is not the only thing, which you mentioned as a problem. I don’t think his height or face has anything to do with that. I know PD likes Seventeen a lot, so I don’t mean this as an insult, but Woozi is small. I would even say he seems tiny standing next to taller members. And does it affect the group anyhow? And there are other groups with big height gaps and everything is fine. Also as PD said as well, we were able to see Koki being a part of different choreographies and concepts and he was not keeping the team back, but he was leading them… What more… he has grown up just through LOUD and I assume he will grow up more. I don’t know. Like I “understand”, why non-LOUD watchers can have a problem with Koki. But everybody, who has seen LOUD, has to know Koki is not a baby, because he has a mind-set of an adult person.

WiseSmellyLegs

I forgot to answer your question. Keiju was crying because of Koki. He is 2006 and Koki is 2009, so there other members with age between them. And also Keiju was in the top of fans’ favorite ones according to the voting… Actually not only Keiju, but other members as well like Koki a lot

Amanda Araujo

i was totally expecting both producers to go dor Eun Hwi and Daniel and they really did amazing i also feel like this round was everyone's best performance so far at least from those we've seen this episode and im happy both Eun Hwi and Daniel chose P Nation cause i think they'll have much more creative freedom there but man im so mad they didnt cast Goki and i honestly dont understand why cause like you said he is much more mature than he looks and his dance and performance are amazing, the only thing he need to work on are his vocals but they're still good for his age and level of training and also he is just 1 year younger than Dong Hyun who Psy cast it anyway so i just dont get it he's too talented to not be casted

formoftherapy
>>74136987

I gotta say I think Peniel had two things going on: 1) Peniel is REALLY laid back for an American. From what I hear he’s not the type to complain too and 2) He was in a REALLY successful group (in Korea). Really successful Korean Americans I think would have less of a chip on their shoulder as well. I also think depending on your personality type you rebel or vibe with it. If you look at Tiffany and Peniel they embraced the Korean system whereas others experience such a greater culture shock and so they hold onto their American culture tighter.

WiseSmellyLegs
>>74143037

And don’t you think Koki has proved he is able to fit in any concept and group/formation without keeping the group back, but rather leading them?

WiseSmellyLegs
>>74140364

That would be interesting, because they have one Japanese trainee, who had a dance battle against Koki

Jet3

When i watched LOUD back then, i also wasn’t really keen about the idea of debuting a 12-13 year old kid as an idol. But goki is not just a random normal 12 year old kid, and he’s been competing in the US since he was really young. That’s why he has a very matured mindset. And so far he always managed to blend in with his groups and didn’t look awkward or weird. But ok, i think I understand the concern. But i do feel it’s unfair to him since the show allowed really young kids to join and compete, and they also say they want to make a group that will debut now. not sure abt the minimum age, 9-10 maybe? Then why does they set that as the minimum age if at the end of the day they would be hesitant to debut them anyway 🤔

Kpop_Platypus

Re: Koki - I agree with the above sentiment about why allow such young kids to participate in the first place if you're then going to be reluctant to cast them? My issue really IS his age. He's got the talent - 10000%, no question, you'd have to be in a vegetative state not to see it. And yes, he's been performing internationally for years already & is very mature for his age; but is he ready to be thrust into a truly worldwide spotlight - outside of the often insular world of dance - including Dispatch following him, hate comments by the hundreds of thousands, and sasaengs calling him at all hours of the day and night while they wait outside his dorm & sneak into his hotel rooms? As crazy talented as he is, I don't want him to have to deal with all that until he's had a few more years of idol training & exposure to the culture from a much closer perspective. Another point is that yes, he's had good teamwork with everyone he's worked with for all these performances, but you cannot tell me he doesn't LOOK awkward standing next to them. Unless he's dancing in the center, Koki pulls focus in a less-than-ideal way because there's a real height gap and it makes formations look unbalanced. (Sure, there's short idols [Woozi is my UB, I should know], but they're at least fully grown.) But wait, there's more! He's also so young that he'll be sitting out of late night radio shows & performances for a couple years beyond even Keiju & the other 14 or 15 year olds. Imagine the group blows up & they get to perform near the end of MAMA or Gayo Dejeon.......but Koki's already had to leave because of the child labor laws, and this happens for 5 years in a row. I think everybody's just looking at his individual talent, which is absolutely INCREDIBLE, but they're not thinking farther out about the ramifications for him as a person and for his team. Debuting within the next 3 years, let alone the next 6 months, just isn't right imo. I've seen the whole show and I know how it turns out, so I'll just say that I think the ideal solution would be to let him not get cast on the show, then sign him as a regular trainee where he can hone his skills even further until he's more mature & savvy about the idol world and both mentally and physically ready to debut. I mean, at least let the kid start to get a handle on puberty before you throw him into the deep end.

Melody

What about Joshua, Eric, Bobby, and Daewhi they all succeeded. Jay Park is from Edmonds north of Seattle and he had a hip hop dance back ground, so of course he has a more American way about him. But I agree that the idol life isn’t typical for Americans, I wonder why Australia Koreans usually fare better? I wish the best for Daniel because he’s obviously talented.

yayasiimsx

Im sorry pd i tried to wait but this show has me HOOKED im bingeing the rest of the episodes today i NEED to know the final lineup (ofcourse ill come back to watch with you aswell)

Briana

Speaking of SM and Korean-Americans, what about Johnny from NCT? Do you think he’ll return to America after or since the group is experiencing success, is pretty diverse in cultures/backgrounds, and he gives off laid back vibes that he is fine?