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Today we continue the story of the Dror. Shortly after production of the .303 pattern guns began, the directive came down that the gun was to be redesigned for 8mm Mauser ammunition. Israeli supplies of British munitions were quickly being replaced by material from Czechoslovakia, and the Dror production needed to reflect this. The team building the guns used this opportunity to make a number of other improvements as well, most distinctively replacing the awkward Johnson-type magazines with a more traditional double-stack 20-round box magazine inserted in the bottom of the action instead off the side. The sights, bipod, buttplate, and barrel locking system were also improved, and a carry handle added.

This model went into full-scale production before its proper trials were completed, so much was the optimism about its potential. Alas, when tests finally took place (comparing the Dror to the Bren and MG-34), the Dror failed badly. It was found to be inferior to the surplus British and German guns in nearly every way. The guns still in production at that point were completed, but they were used for training and unimportant Navy duties only, and never saw combat use. So ended the biggest single clandestine Israeli arms development project of the 1940s.

Many thanks to the Royal Museum of the Armed Forces and Military History in Brussels for access to this very rare piece! Check them out here: https://www.klm-mra.be/D7t/

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An Israeli LMG, Part II: The 8mm Dror (ad-free)

https://utreon.com/c/forgottenweapons/ http://www.patreon.com/ForgottenWeapons Cool Forgotten Weapons merch! http://shop.forgottenweapons.com Today we continue the story of the Dror. Shortly after production of the .303 pattern guns began, the directive came down that the gun was to be redesigned for 8mm Mauser ammunition. Israeli supplies of British munitions were quickly being replaced by material from Czechoslovakia, and the Dror production needed to reflect this. The team building the guns used this opportunity to make a number of other improvements as well, most distinctively replacing the awkward Johnson-type magazines with a more traditional double-stack 20-round box magazine inserted in the bottom of the action instead off the side. The sights, bipod, buttplate, and barrel locking system were also improved, and a carry handle added. This model went into full-scale production before its proper trials were completed, so much was the optimism about its potential. Alas, when tests finally took place (comparing the Dror to the Bren and MG-34), the Dror failed badly. It was found to be inferior to the surplus British and German guns in nearly every way. The guns still in production at that point were completed, but they were used for training and unimportant Navy duties only, and never saw combat use. So ended the biggest single clandestine Israeli arms development project of the 1940s. Many thanks to the Royal Museum of the Armed Forces and Military History in Brussels for access to this very rare piece! Check them out here: https://www.klm-mra.be/D7t/ Contact: Forgotten Weapons 6281 N. Oracle 36270 Tucson, AZ 85740

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Guido Schriewer

reliability fail is bad. hard haaard competition against bren and 34 though! that is kind of the best around. too bad with so much effort involved.

Anonymous

Thanks.

Anonymous

Zionist mediocrity at its finest

Anonymous

Very cool story, thanks!

Anonymous

If they were going to go with the 8mm Mauser, why didn't they buy surplus MG42's? There must have been tons of them available all over Europe, especially from the US.

Mick Gillen

You mentioned production runs of about 400 for the .303 Mk1 in the first video. Didi you come across any numbers for the 8mm?

Mrgunsngear

Great piece of history; thanks

Terry

Why do you say the Garand fires the exact same cartridge? It fires 30-06–63mm case length— and this fires 8mm Mauser—57mm case length?

Herk

Funny how they had access to Czechoslovakian exports but they didn't just buy ZB30s.

JacksonCZ

Or go up and ‘get’ technical package from Inglas for 8mm Brens. Would of had to (ahhem) incentives some employees but maybe doable.

JacksonCZ

Actually your idea would of been easier. And might been able to purchase assembly line. Not sure if Czechs were still planning to use them.

JacksonCZ

ZBs or I wonder if MG42s were in production in CZ. Despite my nickname I am not Czech, just love their guns. lol

Anonymous

Many militaries wanted to keep their 42's more then the 34's. The 34 was an older design after all. They could have also cost more.

Lance Thundercock

The Czechs were sympathetic to Israel, and they gave them good deals on surplus WW2 weapons and ammo, also allowing for some non-monetary trades, but they also weren't just giving stuff away for free. Israel was very interested in the Zk-476 subgun, it had all the features they wanted, but Israel lowballed Brno, and Brno didn't think it was enough and declined. Nobody else showed interest in the Zk-476 at the time, so it was shelved, only a few hundred of those guns were made. But Israel wanted that gun really bad, so what they do is that they make their own subgun and copy its major features, but make it stamped instead of milled, etc, and what they arrive at is the Uzi.

Anonymous

They actually copied the Uzi from the Czechs and copied the galil from the Finland. Their domestic designs are a joke. The Tavor and Desert eagle are good examples of this.