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Dr Kirk Honda interviews Marina Masaki (grad student) and Katie Jo Glaves (supervisor) about interns being exploited for free labor.

00:00 Introducing Katie Jo Glaves & Marina Masaki

02:13 How does it feel to work for free?

07:10 How to stave off burn out

16:21 'Hazing' of new clinicians

23:23 What is the solution?

42:30 Is unionization important?

58:50 What is the value of paid internships?

1:13:15 The tough cases & being underpaid

1:31:22 What is the takeaway?

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November 3, 2023

The Psychology In Seattle Podcast ®

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SeattleTransAndNonbinary ChoralEnsemble

Katie Jo - You’re playing the soundtrack to a musical for your kid that’s about a suicidal highschooler who pretends he was best friends with the school bully who ends up completing suicide, in order to get closer to the deceased’s sister and ingratiate himself to the rest of the family, and the part you have ethical qualms with them re-enacting is the line “if I stop smoking drugs then everything will be all right?” Could be worse, huh? 😅 don’t get me wrong, I love Dear Evan Hansen, and am just yanking your chain. I myself wouldn’t introduce it to anyone younger than the characters in it, since the songs are so damn catchy it’s near impossible not to find yourself singing along them, and next thing you know your middle schooler is out til 8pm, skipping church for matinees, buying Rogers & Hammerstein bootlegs from a shady Carol Channing impersonator on the street corner, belting the Be More Chill soundtrack at top volume and pedestrians are glaring by the time they reach the third joke about watching porn… “hey mom, at least it’s not Avenue Q, Urinetown or the Book of Mormon, right? It’s just a little night music…”

Anonymous

Because the field is so heavily dominated by women, do you think that plays a role in the low wages throughout the industry and the no pay or low pay internship opportunities?