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Bad Batch 2x08 "Truth and Consequences" - Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone!  Here it is - my reaction to season 2, episode 8 of The Bad Batch!  OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!  You guys, what a mission!  Our Batch has to do some super risky operations here, and they pull it off....and I've got to admit, by the end, they even had me somewhat hopeful that they were gonna be able to change some minds about the Empire.  BUT OF COURSE PALPATINE SHOWS UP, of course he does, this was his plan all along!!!!!!!  And we just fell right into it.  THE NERVE of this man to stand here and talk about clones slaughtering people, like he didn't program them to!!!!!!!  UGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!!  It's a hard lesson for Omega, Chuchi, and honestly probably most honest people who are starting to suspect what's going on at this point.  This is NOT the Republic....the Empire has total control over everything that goes on on that senate floor.  If we wanna expose them and take back the galaxy.....we're probably not going to be able to do it *strictly* through official means.  ;)  WOW guys!!!!!!!!  Great ep!  Enjoy!  ~ MH


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Saltire

Omega meditating as Gungi did. Just a little thing to show everything she picks up from people on her journey's, as she tries to forge her own path. I like how Hunter is immediately and understandably nervous about heading to Coruscant of all places, but Echo takes charge and tells Rex they'll be on their way. Again showing where the two characters headspaces are. Omega in awe as they fly over Coruscant, and I'm in awe at the lighting in that sequence, it looks real and you forget briefly you are watching animation. They land in the Martez sisters hanger where Rex is hiding out with Chuchi. Risky hiding out at the heart of the Empire; Rex is of the opinion it seems about keeping your enemies close. Omega (like Ahsoka in the early Clone War seasons) getting a lesson in politics. I love her poncho, she looks a little badass with it on. Chuchi mentions about the senate being where the future of the galaxy is discussed, even though really it all depends on what one person thinks. Then when Chuchi tells Omega that the clones never had a voice to in the senate, it starts to open her eyes about the reality of the clones situation. Omega gives The old Kaminoan ex-senator a flea in her ear over her hubris despite her situation, and then that softens the Kaminoan to tell whats going on about how the funds that were supposed to go into the cloning facilities on Kamino, were diverted elsewhere when the Empire started thinking about destroying the place. After the heaviness of the themes in these episodes, its almost a relief to just spend 10 mins with the Bad Batch doing a mission and retrieving the recorder on the Venator! It doesn't go quite according to plan, but they get it done. Chuchi then reads the riot act on Rampart asserting what actually happened on Kamino and that it was all a part of Rampart's plans months earlier. Victory looks certain as she gets the evidence from the Venator confirming the firing on the cities from Rampart's fleet; until sirens ring... The Emperor is in the building! And what an entrance. You may not like him Mel, but man he has style. Mas Ameida confirms the logs and gets Rampart arrested (he was used just as much as his clones were). There is uproar in the senate, then Palpatine rises to his feet and a deathly silence ensues - thats power. He thanks senator Chuchi for bringing this evidence to light about Rampart, but then calls out the clones who acted on his orders, to undermine them completely. Then says in 'my opinion' this bill to bring about the imperial stormtrooper should pass, and we all know when he says that, it will pass. The clones were once heralded for their loyalty in following orders for the Republic, now that is used against them to seal their fate. The stormtroopers are in, and they are out. As Rex says, Palpatine was always several steps ahead in the war, and is still ahead of them to get what he wants. What a scene. Echo then states that the clones are all in danger now, due to their actions; and he can't sit back so will go off with Rex to work with him. This hits Omega hard as he leaves them, but Echo was always like Rex and fought for his brothers, and won't abandon them now when they'll need them most. Chuchi will still fight for the clones, she's a good egg. Its a losing battle however, especially after this. Great two-parter.

Tyler Stobbe

We’ve arrived at the official halfway point of the season. Couple of things: the title on your header is incorrect, it should be “Truth & Consequences.” I had to scroll before watching this to make sure you didn’t accidentally skip an episode, so might want to fix that. :) Also, I keep forgetting, but what is the shirt you’re wearing here a reference to? I’m curious. Anyway, the episode begins with the hint that Echo went to the Bad Batch because it was where he was needed, and he ended up going somewhere he felt he was needed more by the end of the episode. Considering he’s with Rex, I don’t think there’s a ton to worry about because we all know he’s a very capable clone in his own right. What I do wonder is if this will lead to like a split party narrative where we follow what both groups do at different times. The most concerning thing in the episode is when Omega mouthed off because the Kaminoan senator might know Nala Se, who, we haven’t seen hide nor hair of since S1 ended - and she knows full well what Omega is - what’s to stop her from getting that info? Onega’s a kid but there are times she lets her impulses override her logic in a way that’s like - could you dial it down just a notch or two…? 😬 Oh look, your favorite guy is back and popped out of the ground to say hello. What…? You don’t like him…? Huh, I never picked up on that. 😁 I do think we need to point out just how smart he IS at manipulating everything, though. It’s interesting watching just expertly he weaves the thread through everything to make it sound believable. Every time you think you’re close to a breakthrough all he does is move one piece on the chessboard and then everyone is on their heels again. But that’s what makes him such a good villain and so easy to hate: you wouldn’t be driven this crazy if he was stupid. Also Ian McDiarmid still does the voice the same way he did in 1983, thirty years later - but the thing is when you think about it, during the original movies, we didn’t really see that much of him, or the prequels - the different Disney+ series have made him so much more slimier and cringey because they have the luxury of having more screen time to flesh out the character. Honestly, I get the feeling one of the first things Dave Filoni did when he started was ask, “how do we make the Emperor more dislikable?” and both his writing staff and his VA were like, “oh, give us time, we can work REAL well with this task.” I also notice he likes to say certain lines repeatedly like “treachery, “new era,” “disturbing,” and such, and every time it makes you more uncomfortable. Like you said once, “your evil is showing,” but people are too fearful to do anything overt and once you’ve outlived your usefulness (aka Rampart), good-bye. It’s like that famous Godfather quite, “just when I think I’m out, they pull me back in.” At the end of the day he’s the one pulling the strings everywhere as the puppet master, and everyone just has to realize which strings are being pulled and play accordingly. You know he eventually gets his just desserts in the end… but it is fascinating watching his machinations at work. I get the feeling if you wanted to take the time, your thesis on him and his actions would be longer than my RWBY comments. 😂 I should probably stop for now then.

Manny

Your Dark Emperor was spot on! 👌 😂 Oof you were flabbergasted I could tell. This one was so good I really enjoyed it. I’m missing Echo already but like you said he’ll be back. He has to 🥲 And Omega learning some lessons in politics here which will definitely set things up. I’m scared but excited to see what this will bring.

Saltire
>>108838475

It was 40 years ago since Return Of The Jedi, not 30! I still think of the 90's as yesterday but thats 30 years too at this point!! I loved McDiarmid's delivery of "I assure you..." - exactly the same from Revenge Of The Sith. He is the devil, but man he's a fun one.

Nick (edited)

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2023-05-21 15:33:18 I’ll probably have more to say on this episode later, as it’s a really great one. However, for now I just wanted to quickly comment on Palpatine turning up in the senate at the end: I skipped forward to this in your reaction, Mel, and it’s the only bit I’ve had time to watch of your reaction so far. The Bad Batch creators provide a masterclass in how to portray pure, sinister evil here! His entrance, the words he uses, the way he looks, and of course especially the voice delivery (I assume the voice actor used was Ian McDiarmid?). I could watch, and especially listen, to that scene on repeat for hours without getting bored. Another great Palpatine speech in a similar vein is the one Palpatine gives at the end of Revenge of the Sith (repeated in animated form in the first season of Bad Batch). Boy do these speeches make my skin crawl! Both this and the Revenge of the Sith speech have a similar effect on me, and remind me of Gandalf’s scene in Lord of the Rings on the bridge over Kazan Dum, when he strikes his staff down and yells at the balrog “You shall not pass!”. It’s just so powerful. Gandalf yells in a determined manner and is the embodiment of all that is good, whilst Palpatine talks quietly and is the embodiment of pure evil, but somehow the scenes are connected in terms of how they impact on me as a viewer. I intensely both love and loathe Palpatine all at once: you might think that must create a massive tension in me, or maybe feel that’s a massive contradiction, but actually it somehow feels just as it ideally should. It’s very weird: why do people love (and loathe) villains on screen or in books? Is it that we love to loathe, or is it something else? What does that say about us as humans?
2023-05-21 08:33:22 I’ll probably have more to say on this episode later, as it’s a really great one. However, for now I just wanted to quickly comment on Palpatine turning up in the senate at the end: I skipped forward to this in your reaction, Mel, and it’s the only bit I’ve had time to watch of your reaction so far. The Bad Batch creators provide a masterclass in how to portray pure, sinister evil here! His entrance, the words he uses, the way he looks, and of course especially the voice delivery (I assume the voice actor used was Ian McDiarmid?). I could watch, and especially listen, to that scene on repeat for hours without getting bored. Another great Palpatine speech in a similar vein is the one Palpatine gives at the end of Revenge of the Sith (repeated in animated form in the first season of Bad Batch). Boy do these speeches make my skin crawl! Both this and the Revenge of the Sith speech have a similar effect on me, and remind me of Gandalf’s scene in Lord of the Rings on the bridge over Kazan Dum, when he strikes his staff down and yells at the balrog “You shall not pass!”. It’s just so powerful. Gandalf yells in a determined manner and is the embodiment of all that is good, whilst Palpatine talks quietly and is the embodiment of pure evil, but somehow the scenes are connected in terms of how they impact on me as a viewer. I intensely both love and loathe Palpatine all at once: you might think that must create a massive tension in me, or maybe feel that’s a massive contradiction, but actually it somehow feels just as it ideally should. It’s very weird: why do people love (and loathe) villains on screen or in books? Is it that we love to loathe, or is it something else? What does that say about us as humans? Question: why is Palpatine now disfigured? Is it that the excessive use of force lightning against Mace Windu really did drain him and disfigure him? My assumption has always been that this is really what happened, but I’ve also wondered if there might be another explanation?

I’ll probably have more to say on this episode later, as it’s a really great one. However, for now I just wanted to quickly comment on Palpatine turning up in the senate at the end: I skipped forward to this in your reaction, Mel, and it’s the only bit I’ve had time to watch of your reaction so far. The Bad Batch creators provide a masterclass in how to portray pure, sinister evil here! His entrance, the words he uses, the way he looks, and of course especially the voice delivery (I assume the voice actor used was Ian McDiarmid?). I could watch, and especially listen, to that scene on repeat for hours without getting bored. Another great Palpatine speech in a similar vein is the one Palpatine gives at the end of Revenge of the Sith (repeated in animated form in the first season of Bad Batch). Boy do these speeches make my skin crawl! Both this and the Revenge of the Sith speech have a similar effect on me, and remind me of Gandalf’s scene in Lord of the Rings on the bridge over Kazan Dum, when he strikes his staff down and yells at the balrog “You shall not pass!”. It’s just so powerful. Gandalf yells in a determined manner and is the embodiment of all that is good, whilst Palpatine talks quietly and is the embodiment of pure evil, but somehow the scenes are connected in terms of how they impact on me as a viewer. I intensely both love and loathe Palpatine all at once: you might think that must create a massive tension in me, or maybe feel that’s a massive contradiction, but actually it somehow feels just as it ideally should. It’s very weird: why do people love (and loathe) villains on screen or in books? Is it that we love to loathe, or is it something else? What does that say about us as humans? Question: why is Palpatine now disfigured? Is it that the excessive use of force lightning against Mace Windu really did drain him and disfigure him? My assumption has always been that this is really what happened, but I’ve also wondered if there might be another explanation?

kamenriderhime
>>108858090

Hahahaha thank you! :P If Ian McDiarmid ever retires, I'm here LOL!! I really was! I miss him already too, maybe we'll see him again though! Right, Omega is learning a lot. Same, scared/excited is where we live right now I guess lol!

kamenriderhime
>>108796187

Awww yeah that's true, she must have picked that up from Gungi! :D So true, the animation is breathtaking and so realistic. I'd almost forgotten that Rex was working with the Martez sisters! Omega is very much in the learning position that Ahsoka was earlier on in CW. I love the poncho too haha! Omega's learning some harsh lessons about the reality for clones as well. I honestly wasn't sure what path the Kaminoan senator was going to take there, but I'm glad Omega got through to her and we ended up getting some info. Lol so true, a nice little action/retrieval plot was a good palate cleanser! I really thought for a second that this whole thing was going to have some kind of effect....even though I know it really can't....and then HE showed up >:( Hahaha I can't argue with that, he knows how to make an entrance! He certainly embodies power at this point for sure. You can see what effect his presence has on the whole senate. All he had to do was spend 2 seconds undermining the clones and giving his "opinion" like you said, and that was it. Rex was so right. That's a good point that Echo makes - all the clones are targets now. It's sad to lose Echo, but I get it! I know, Chuchi has a lot of moral strength and honor, even if we know this whole battle won't get far. What a great arc for sure!

kamenriderhime
>>108838475

Thanks about the title, for some reason, when I googled it, that's the title they had listed for this ep! :P Weird! Oh it's Hatsune Miku on my shirt! She's a vocaloid, or a completely synthetic/AI voice. She's a huge star in Japan!!! ^_^ Good point about Echo, and also about a possible split narrative, that would be interesting! I know, I was thinking the same thing about Omega, I'm so glad she got through to the senator in the argument but MAN was I scared haha! Hahahaha I'm pretty subtle in my dislike for Palpatine, aren't I :P I mean, I do appreciate or understand just how vast his manipulation is, and even here I was blown away at myself for believing just for a second that this might make a difference....like he'd EVER let that happen, you know! Tyler and Saltire, I often think that the 80s and 90s were only a few years ago so I get it :(((( Lol!!! Also Saltire, great point that he's just evil in the most entertaining way. Back to Tyler - great point that now they have more time to play with to really flesh out all the nastiness of the Emperor. Hahahah his evil is fully exposed :O Certain lines just have that perfect evil delivery, couldn't agree more. Such a good quote and definitely applies here! It is fascinating to see how it all unfolds. Hahaha I mean, you get it about having a lot to say about a certain subject!!!! :P

kamenriderhime
>>108986406

Hahaha I'm so happy you skipped ahead just for my Palpatine reaction!!! I hope it was worth it! I assumed it was Ian McDiarmid as well. And wow, what a fantastic job he does at being just so evil. It's a captivating scene isn't it! I agree, it's Gandalf levels of powerful! The delivery is just so spot on. I mean, that is an interesting question about why we're so drawn to GREAT villain characters!!! There's just something intensely awesome about a villain who you love to hate. It's weird to say, but I think there's a certain magnetism or charisma involved. It is an interesting commentary on humans though lol. That's a good question, I always assumed it was the force lightning too! Maybe there's more? Hmm!!

Saltire
>>108796187

Yes thats the thing about Chuchi uncovering all this, her and Bail still have 'hope'; but there is none out there just now, that won't be for some time to come. Palpatine has the galaxy to himself just now and as we see in other media, he makes the most of it and will almost have 'unlimited power' when the Death Star comes online (and thankfully Ezra stopped him from getting control over the World Between Worlds as well to do more havoc). He's just getting going and is in his element and there is nothing anyone can do about it. One thing that I've often heard people speak about, was why not keep the clone program running, in favour of stormtroopers, especially when they are far more effective than 95% of their replacements. First we heard in season 1, is cost; it costs less than half the amount to have a conscripted army than a clone one. Another more subtle one is that there won't be so many ties with the republic and the war and all that went with that, like Slip and his friend here potentially going public with their war stories. Then there is the fact that men and women of fighting age will willingly sign up in patriotism to the burgeoning new Empire; and this is another method of control over the general populus to have people who believe in the imperial cog. This in theory is a brilliant plan, but the way we see it executed over the coming years, where there is no loyalty to one another; whilst the Rebellion is all about that, will be one of the things that will make it come crashing down in the end.

Saltire
>>108986406

On Palpatine's scarring, to me it shows how his corruption (both in character and in the force) is changing his body. The lightning reflecting back from Windu's lightsabre was merely showing his true form to me; and helped sell to Anakin that Windu - and the Jedi - were literally killing him and the republic. However, in Return Of The Jedi, he uses heavy intensity in his force lightning to torture Luke, and Luke doesn't become disfigured, only a bit smoky! When Sidious gets up after throwing Mace out the Windu (sorry had to do it!), he doesn't touch his skin and go "ow! ow! ow!!!!" as he ascends Anakin to become Darth Vader. It was all an illusion, and now the mask is off. Remember he's a master in Sith Alchemy too; he can use something through that to mask his true form throughout the war. That's my headcanon on it anyway.

kamenriderhime
>>108796187

That's so true, hope is out there, it's just not going to pay off any time soon sadly. Palpatine's going to be riding high for a little while, as we know! The cost is an obvious factor, but that's so true that the clones knowing too much is another. And the patriotism can be manipulated very efficiently when it comes to new troopers. Such a great point, the Rebellion is the opposite of looking out for one's own self. That's part of what makes it work so well - that cohesive element. None of it would have gotten accomplished by individuals trying to take matters into their own hands - they truly had to work together!!

kamenriderhime
>>108986406

Ohhh, that's interesting! That's a great point about the different effects of the force lightning that we see. OMG THE PUN!!!! Hahahahaha!! So that was all a part of his plan as well, perhaps - nothing is by accident when it comes to the careful planning of Palpatine I guess! It's good head canon for sure!

Nick
>>108986406

I think that’s an interesting perspective, Saltire.

Nick
>>108986406

I reckon in a fight between Gandalf and Palpatine, Gandalf will win 😁

Saltire
>>108986406

Gandalf is a literal immortal angel and actually his powers on Middle Earth are dulled deliberately as the wizards were told when sent there to be guides, not all-powerful deities. At full power I think Gandalf would win, but in his mortal form, perhaps Sidious does have the edge. I think a more interesting question is whether Sidious could take on any of the Mortis force-wielders?

kamenriderhime
>>108986406

I mean that's pretty powerful, but I see what you mean about his mortal form. Ooooohhhh now there's a question!!!! Hmmmm....!!!