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Bad Batch 1x11 "Devil's Deal" - Reaction & Review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone!  Here it is - my reaction to season 1 episode 11 of The Bad Batch!!!  AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!  HERA!!  AND CHOPPER!!! NO WAAYYYYYYYY!!!
Little Hera is everything, and seeing her have this sweet friendship with Chopper (almost a little-girl-and-her-pet kind of thing) just made my heart explode!  It's also interesting to see how things evolved on Ryloth once the Republic became the Empire.  Her dad is so desperate for peace, it's sad to see!  Little Hera might be little but she's got the early makings of a rebel for sure!  And I can see her and Omega being great friends!  How blessed are we to get this as a two-part arc?!  See you in the next one!  Great ep!  Enjoy!  ~ MH


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Serzat

i already watched these episodes but i was still excited as much as you when you saw hera and chopper :D

Saltire

I'm so used to you saying on your intro's that you are back today with Rebels! And this could certainly almost count as an episode from that mighty show! Seeing Chopper!!!!!!! (and Hera. ;) ) brings such a warm and fuzzy feeling, none of us thought we'd see them here in Bad Batch of all things! When watching this episode, I'm always reminded of the Ryloth arc in season 1 of Clone Wars, with the episode with Numa the little Twilek girl, and at the end as she hugs the clones, they say to her "don't worry little one, we'll be back" - well here they are, not as liberators like then, but as occupiers under the Empire. This episode almost echoes last one, where we see the beginning of what being in the Empire will bring. The senator there decided it wasn't for him and he'd do what he could to fight back, while Orn Free Taa (did you notice the four lekku I told you about him a while back - when all the rest have two?) is more than fine with it, since he has been hanging around Palpatine for a long time now both in the movies, and in Clone Wars. Cham and Eleni Syndulla, want this peace to work, but soon see that they aren't finished fighting yet. Howser is an interesting clone. He seemed to be Cham's clone commander in the war, and looks to be 'normal', just like we saw with the clones during the war. To me this suggests he never got Order 66 since there was no Jedi seemingly on Ryloth after they left in season 1 of TCW. He must have been asigned to Cham. This isn't just reflected in his attitude, but also note he has his armour coloured still. If you notice all the other reg clones now are unpainted and monochromatic to reflect their obedience to the Imperial Regime, and of course these colours will remain later when the clones are no more and the stormtroopers come in. Hera is 10 here (she is 24 when we first meet her in Rebels, and since you bring it up in your post-reaction Mel, Kanan was 14 in the first episode and hence 28 in season 1 of Rebels). She's had Chopper just a couple of years and so he's not quite what we see him later become, a little madman!! Hera and Chop look great in this animation, though Chop isn't that different from what he'll look like in Rebels. She would have took him out of the crashed Y-Wing (which you seen in the background in one of the scenes) in the first year of the Clone War, so nearly 3 years at this point they have been together. You can hear Chopper's squeaky wheel still - so in all these years, she never oiled his wheel's! :D That line from Cham though, that it is his hope that Hera won't have to fight, when we know all she'll end up doing, makes me well up. Very sneaky of Gobi (who is fighting alongside Cham in Rebels with Numa, the little girl from Clone Wars) saying to Hera she could come and fly the ship during the supply run - it seems all of her family are rebellious! Hera is even in her correct seat as well when flying - its too much! :D Hera towers over Omega, but Omega we believe is a year or two older (its not confirmed her age but she is clearly a bit younger than Boba who would be in his early teens at this point). So while Hera is 10, Omega is around 12 and short for her age. Its so sweet watching the two of them together, and Hera telling her of her dream to become a pilot and live on a starship. And these creators damn well know what they are doing using Hera's Theme as well! Welling up again writing that! :) Cham getting setup for the attempted assassination of his old nemesis Orn Free Taa; strategically its a good move by Admiral Rampart as Taa was always disposable and it gets rid of Cham so that the people don't have a leader. He underestimates him to the Empire's peril.

Brandon Dodge

So for Omega's age, since she is an unaltered 1st Generation Clone, she should be 13, since the Clone Army were requisitioned by Count Dooku, pretending to be Syfo Dyas, on Kamino at around the same year as Phantom Menace, then 10 years later Attack of The Clones and the Clone Wars began, and then the Clone Wars lasted 3 years, so yeah 13 years lol It was cool to see younger Hera and Chopper. Vanessa Marshall gets to reprise her role as the younger version of this character which is pretty cool. Plus we get to hear Robin Atkin Downes again as Cham. We know that Hera got Chopper off a Y-Wing during the Clone Wars. My guess would be during or shortly after the Ryloth Arc in Season 1 of The Clone Wars. Interesting to see Hera's mother. From what we heard in Rebels, Cham didn't take losing her very well. It's interesting what Saltire said about Howzer and how the chips work or effect these Clones. Maybe it was just never activated in Howzer and his squad that remained here.

Tyler Stobbe

Okay first, full disclosure: I really kinda needed to see your reactions today. I’ve spent most of it filing my taxes. Trust me, that is NOT a fun time. 😅 Anyway I do need to let you know this reaction has been flagged by the higher ups for excessive squealing. Imagine what you would’ve been thinking about this if you were watching things chronologically and hadn’t finished Rebels yet. Dave Filoni pulled out his chart again and asked, “what HAVEN’T we spent time on yet…?” The Empire is bad. We know this at its core, but we’ve seen in other series that not everyone who works for it is a bad person. It just seems that the power hungry tend to be given more of what they want. It’s interesting to see Cham (Hera’s dad) so… pacifist, for the lack of a better word. Given later events, it’s kind of telling that he’d want to try so hard to gain peace. The Empire would’ve been received a lot better if they did t try to deceive every one and every thing from the moment they took power. It’s pretty obvious they’re hiding things. Of course, if they did that, then they wouldn’t be the Empire, would they? Now is it just me or is Hera’s far off dreaming looking a lot like what we saw out of Luke Skywalker when we first met him…? At the end of the day, peace is definitely desirable at any cost… but once your child gets involved everything else goes out the window and you will do whatever is best for them (provided you’re a decent parent, that is.) Now that I consider this: this particular theme of a parent looking out for their child kind of repeats itself throughout this franchise, doesn’t it? 🙃 Chopper wasn’t quite as chaotic as I remember… oh well, we still have time. 😏

Nick (edited)

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2023-02-23 23:09:36 I’m really too busy with work at the moment, and so sadly behind with your reactions for this series, Mel. However, this little Ryloth arc is awesome and so I wasn’t going to miss the chance to throw down a few comments - I could write an essay on this and the next episode! I have jumped ahead and watched your reaction to episode 11: loved it. Most points have been made here and in your recording already, so much of this is repetition, and I won’t write all my thoughts. First and foremost seeing Hera and Chopper and having Hera’s music as she dreams of flying is so moving. Anyone who hasn’t seen Rebels would not react to those scenes in the same way, as they would not have the context to interpret those scenes. Okay, so I am banging on about how every Star Wars should watch Rebels as a priority again; and then repeatedly watch it again and again :-) And of course her time with Omega was lovely. At this point I want to shout out for the voice actor playing Omega: she us surely integral to the popularity of this character. And obviously very well scripted to. It’s interesting that Chopper isn’t as bonkers at this stage - which I think is a good script choice as it masked sense. He 8s more of a special pet/ friend to Hera at this stage - as you pointed out, Mel. Interestingly, the bad Batch crew barely get a look in this episode (Crosshair and Omega a bit more), but I think we can forgive Dave Filoni and his script writers in this occasion: perhaps even send them a box of chocolates and some flowers! :-D You’ve seen the next episode so it’s safe to say that I think that Clone captain Howzer is one of my favourite Clones. Saltire has made all the points I was going to make already, so I’ll just say that he still has the independent, intelligent, thoughtful, and actually caring and considerate clone characteristics that we see in clones like Rex, amongst others. Interesting question: all clones are, well, clones. But are they all identical clones? I ask, as I wonder whether Clone Officers were somehow bred differently to the Clones who were not officers. After all, if all clones are literally identical genetic copies, and are all brought up in pretty much identical circumstances, then why would some stand out as officer material but not others. So my assumption is they officer clones are different genetically and/ or/ were exposed to different training environments after being born. Cone to think of it, given their is no birth mother, what does ‘after they are born’ really mean? As I remember it we have seen Senator Tar a fair bit with Palpatine in various bits of Star Wars. Another person we can perhaps add to the list of people Palpatine ‘groomed’ for after order 66. Finally, I don’t think anyone has commented on Hera’s fought back from the moon, and they re-enter Ryloth’s atmosphere, the absolutely stunning animation of the clouds, sky and sun: a real piece of fine art if ever I saw one.
2023-02-23 21:28:43 I’m really too busy with work at the moment, and so sadly behind with your reactions for this series, Mel. However, this little Ryloth arc is awesome and so I wasn’t going to miss the chance to throw down at least a few comments - I could write an essay on this and the next episode! So, I have jumped ahead and watched your reaction to episode 11 today: loved it. Most points have been made here and in your recording already, so much of this is repetition, and I won’t write all my thoughts. First and foremost seeing Hera and Chopper and having Hera’s music as she dreams of flying is so moving. Anyone who hasn’t seen Rebels would not react to those scenes in the same way, as they would not have the context to interpret the scenes. Okay, so I am again banging on about how every Star Wars fan should watch Rebels as a priority, and then repeatedly watch it again and again :-) And of course Hera’s time with Omega was lovely. At this point I want to shout out for the voice actor playing Omega: she is surely integral to the popularity of this character. And obviously very well scripted too. It’s interesting that Chopper isn’t as bonkers at this stage - which I think is a good script choice as it makes sense at this point. He is more of a special pet/ friend to Hera here - as you pointed out, Mel. The Bad Batch crew barely get a look in this episode (Crosshair and Omega a bit more), but I think we can forgive Dave Filoni and his script writers on this occasion: perhaps even send them a box of chocolates and some flowers! :-D You’ve seen the next episode so it’s safe to say that I think that Clone captain Howzer is one of my favourite Clones. Saltire has made all the points I was going to make already, so I’ll just say that he still has the independent, intelligent, thoughtful, and actually caring and considerate clone characteristics that we see in clones like Rex, amongst others. And presumably order 66 didn’t trigger for Howzer for some reason, although that reason doesn’t seem obvious: given the seeming lack of individuality of all the other clones with him on Ryloth, it looks like order 66 did trigger their chips, so why not his? Perhaps his chip did activate too but it either didn’t have an effect on him, or the effect wore off quickly? Or perhaps order 66 did not happen for any clone on Ryloth if there was no Jedi there, but they are just following orders because they have be trained to do so? Or maybe something else, but there is a bit of an unexplained mystery surrounding this. Anyway, Howzer is well deserving of Lego figure status! Interesting question: all clones are, well, clones. But are they all identical clones? I ask, as I wonder whether Clone Officers were somehow bred differently to the Clones who were not officers. After all, if all clones are literally identical genetic copies, and are all brought up in pretty much identical environments, then why would some stand out as officer material but not others? So, my assumption is the officer clones are either different genetically and/ or were exposed to different training environments after being born. Come to think of it, given there is no birth mother, what does ‘after they are born’ really mean? As I remember it, we have seen Senator Tar a fair bit with Palpatine in various bits of Star Wars. Another person we can perhaps add to the list of people Palpatine ‘groomed’ for after order 66. Of course, he was pretty self-interested as a character anyway. Finally, I don’t think anyone has commented on Hera’s flight back from the moon when they re-enter Ryloth’s atmosphere: the absolutely stunning animation of the clouds, sky and sun: a stunning piece of artwork/ animation.

I’m really too busy with work at the moment, and so sadly behind with your reactions for this series, Mel. However, this little Ryloth arc is awesome and so I wasn’t going to miss the chance to throw down at least a few comments - I could write an essay on this and the next episode! So, I have jumped ahead and watched your reaction to episode 11 today: loved it. Most points have been made here and in your recording already, so much of this is repetition, and I won’t write all my thoughts. First and foremost seeing Hera and Chopper and having Hera’s music as she dreams of flying is so moving. Anyone who hasn’t seen Rebels would not react to those scenes in the same way, as they would not have the context to interpret the scenes. Okay, so I am again banging on about how every Star Wars fan should watch Rebels as a priority, and then repeatedly watch it again and again :-) And of course Hera’s time with Omega was lovely. At this point I want to shout out for the voice actor playing Omega: she is surely integral to the popularity of this character. And obviously very well scripted too. It’s interesting that Chopper isn’t as bonkers at this stage - which I think is a good script choice as it makes sense at this point. He is more of a special pet/ friend to Hera here - as you pointed out, Mel. The Bad Batch crew barely get a look in this episode (Crosshair and Omega a bit more), but I think we can forgive Dave Filoni and his script writers on this occasion: perhaps even send them a box of chocolates and some flowers! :-D You’ve seen the next episode so it’s safe to say that I think that Clone captain Howzer is one of my favourite Clones. Saltire has made all the points I was going to make already, so I’ll just say that he still has the independent, intelligent, thoughtful, and actually caring and considerate clone characteristics that we see in clones like Rex, amongst others. And presumably order 66 didn’t trigger for Howzer for some reason, although that reason doesn’t seem obvious: given the seeming lack of individuality of all the other clones with him on Ryloth, it looks like order 66 did trigger their chips, so why not his? Perhaps his chip did activate too but it either didn’t have an effect on him, or the effect wore off quickly? Or perhaps order 66 did not happen for any clone on Ryloth if there was no Jedi there, but they are just following orders because they have be trained to do so? Or maybe something else, but there is a bit of an unexplained mystery surrounding this. Anyway, Howzer is well deserving of Lego figure status! Interesting question: all clones are, well, clones. But are they all identical clones? I ask, as I wonder whether Clone Officers were somehow bred differently to the Clones who were not officers. After all, if all clones are literally identical genetic copies, and are all brought up in pretty much identical environments, then why would some stand out as officer material but not others? So, my assumption is the officer clones are either different genetically and/ or were exposed to different training environments after being born. Come to think of it, given there is no birth mother, what does ‘after they are born’ really mean? As I remember it, we have seen Senator Tar a fair bit with Palpatine in various bits of Star Wars. Another person we can perhaps add to the list of people Palpatine ‘groomed’ for after order 66. Of course, he was pretty self-interested as a character anyway. Finally, I don’t think anyone has commented on Hera’s flight back from the moon when they re-enter Ryloth’s atmosphere: the absolutely stunning animation of the clouds, sky and sun: a stunning piece of artwork/ animation.

kamenriderhime
>>102532308

Ohhh okay, gotcha! Thanks for clarifying. It was so great to see/hear them all again! Yeah that would add up about the timing. I know, I was worried about her mom in this arc!!! He did not take it well. Yeah that's an interesting theory on the chips!!! There's a lot of wiggle room in there when it comes to the range of the order, how it was triggered, etc.!

kamenriderhime
>>102487613

Hahaha yeah it's weird not hearing the Rebels intro right!!! I know, I never thought we'd get to see them here!!!! XD Oof, that hits hard with Numa, so sad to know where everything headed!! Oh I didn't notice the difference in lekku, but that's interesting!! Yeah he's been hobnobbing for a while now, so it's no problem to him. Ohhh interesting theory about Howser!!!! I keep forgetting that there are so many clones, that it's possible not all of them were in range of or heard the execution of Order 66. That makes sense with a later clone appearance too (just finished the season yesterday, so I'm a few eps ahead now!). Oh wow, I would have guessed older! Chopper's definitely a bit less sassy here lol! Oh wow, so she got him pretty early on then, I didn't realize! Awwww poor squeaky wheel!!!! Oof, I know, Cham's line hits hard. Yeah I think you're right that her whole family has a rebellious streak!! I know, Hera's such a natural, it's too darn cute to watch! Gotcha, thanks for clarifying about the age! It actually kind of makes sense, for anyone who remembers being that age and there being such a wide range of kids maturing/not maturing all at once, for there to be a big gap in things like height! Oh I know, Hera's Theme!!!! They're trying to get us for sure!!! I know, I think a lot of people underestimated the Empire and how far they were willing to go, sadly!

kamenriderhime (edited)

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2023-02-25 16:49:28 Aww well I hope they cheered you up, don't get me started on doing taxes lol, they're definitely intense, sorry about that!!! >.< Hahaha fair enough, I went into full tetradactyl mode on this one! That's the thing, especially at this stage, not everyone knew just how bad the Empire could be. I know right?! Seeing Cham so peace-oriented and downright compliant with everything going on is jarring! But it makes sense though, he just wants a peaceful world for his family and his people. Yeah, I mean being shady is sort of in the mission statement for the Empire I guess!! Awwww yes I can see the comparison to Luke for sure!! Hahah yeah we're gonna get those parental themes quite a bit throughout the franchise! Haha yeah Chopper's gonna pick all that up along the way I guess!!!
2023-02-25 14:43:37 Aww well I hope they cheered you up, don't get me started on doing taxes lol, they're definitely intense, sorry about that!!! >.< Hahaha fair enough, I went into full tetradactyl mode on this one! That's the thing, especially at this stage, not everyone knew just how bad the Empire could be. I know right?! Seeing Cham so peace-oriented and downright compliant with everything going on is jarring! But it makes sense though, he just wants a peaceful world for his family and his people. Yeah, I mean being shady is sort of in the mission statement for the Empire I guess!! Awwww yes I can see the comparison to Luke for sure!! Hahah yeah we're gonna get those parental themes quite a bit throughout the franchise! Haha yeah Chopper's gonna pick all that up along the way I guess!!!
>>102538838

Aww well I hope they cheered you up, don't get me started on doing taxes lol, they're definitely intense, sorry about that!!! >.< Hahaha fair enough, I went into full tetradactyl mode on this one! That's the thing, especially at this stage, not everyone knew just how bad the Empire could be. I know right?! Seeing Cham so peace-oriented and downright compliant with everything going on is jarring! But it makes sense though, he just wants a peaceful world for his family and his people. Yeah, I mean being shady is sort of in the mission statement for the Empire I guess!! Awwww yes I can see the comparison to Luke for sure!! Hahah yeah we're gonna get those parental themes quite a bit throughout the franchise! Haha yeah Chopper's gonna pick all that up along the way I guess!!!

kamenriderhime
>>102591963

No worries, I'm glad you were able to jump in to give your feedback, but totally understand life keeping you busy!! Haha I agree about watching Rebels first, I know some folks prefer to do it chronologically but when it comes to this arc in particular it just hits different! Omega's VA is awesome and I loved seeing them together! Yeah I think it goes to portray Chopper as more of an actual person to have him actually be a bit different in personality here. And he is like a little pet, omg a girl and her droid!!! My heart can't take it! Hahaha I not only forgive Dave, I would send him all the chocolates and flowers for sure!!! I really love Houser too! He'd be a great addition to our crew, it's a shame. I was wondering about that too! At first I thought maybe the Ryloth clones weren't all triggered, but you're right that the others appeared to be. I have my own theory about this; that some of the clones who had especially strong senses of self are able to overcome some of the anti-personality aspects of the chip faster. It's not a perfect theory though! YES, I'd go for a Lego of him for sure! Okay reading your next paragraph I see that my theory is actually not too far off from some musings of your own! Good point about the birth not having the same implications as it does in a non-clone-breeding-environment too. But yeah, they're products of their environment I guess, like any person would be, so even though they're genetically identical, the variation in their personalities makes a lot of sense. Makes sense that the senator is another manipulated piece on the board for Palaptine. OMG yes, the animation was stunning right!!! They're killing it in general with the animation on this show!!!

Saltire
>>102591963

I personally think that the way a lot of the subordinate clones are reacting in obeying Rampart's orders, are because they are loyal to their leaders, and while some question that, invariably they will go through with those orders because of 'good soldiers follow orders'. We saw in Clone Wars several regs be very by-the-book, especially Dogma in the Umbara arc who was loyal to Krell when everyone was questioning his orders. And it wasn't until he was pushed beyond breaking point by Krell's devilry, that he snapped. I may continue this discussion after the finale on Wednesday when we get into talking about Crosshair, and also about Omega and her age again. Thats a good theory though Mel about some of the stronger-willed clones overcoming the programming as it begins to wear off, its something to dwell on for sure, especially as we are never given definitive answers, which I always prefer in Star Wars, since we can form our own opinions on what we see. I do believe a lot of the first generation clones were split up into different branches, and the likes of Cody (who became the highest ranking clone officer in the war), Bly, Rex and Wolffe; were trained specifically as officers to lead, and the rest were trained as regular grunts, ARC Troopers, pilots, commandoes etc. Then as the war started, it became a meritocracy, and regs got promoted to senior roles due to their actions or through deaths of officers. On Taa, I do like that his character always represented the corruption and decadence of some of the senators in their comfy residences on Coruscant, pretending to act for the people of their worlds, when they were only in it for themselves. This is further highlighted by Taa's obesity and love for the finer things, especially food; and we saw it in Clone Wars where he is stuffing his face, whilst Ryloth starved. The people see that this episode where they dismiss his speech and want Cham, their true leader. That shot of the cloud btw is a real image taken from the phone of one of the people working on the show, who was running behind and added it in and tinkered with it. Its a gathering storm cloud as pilots always avoid them. However yes the TCW animation started in 2006 has been perfected at this point and looks better than ever. I was speaking to someone on Reddit about this the other day, and by the time of later season 5 and 6 of Clone Wars when it was still under Lucas, they were spending the same amount per minute of an episode, as what went into Game Of Thrones - which is insane! No wonder when Disney took over, they must have gawped at the cost of Clone Wars - especially since it was operating at a loss, and cut the budget drastically for Rebels and Resistance.

Saltire
>>102487613

Wednesday is going to be a fun day, you are uploading the finale here to season 1 of Bad Batch, another episode of season 2 drops on Disney+, as does Mando! Can't wait! :D I think what also goes against Omega in her demeanour, is that she was pretty sheltered these years on Kamino, whilst Hera has experienced the war coming and staying on Ryloth, and has lost her brother. And though Kamino did get attacked in the Clone Wars by Grievous and Ventress; Omega would have been kept safe from it all. Hence Hera seems a touch more mature than her, though Omega tells Hunter a few home truths too in these episodes, suggesting she is learning quickly about when to act.

kamenriderhime
>>102487613

Yes!!!! Can't wait!!! That's so true, they've lived very different lives, which probably matured Hera a bit faster. But yes, Omega's learning fast about the world around her for sure!!

kamenriderhime
>>102591963

That makes a lot of sense about following the leader's orders, especially when you think of the Krell arc, that's such a good point! I can't wait to talk more about Crosshair!! Interesting about the meritocracy too, and how being in different areas of the military would have affected them differently. That's a great point about Taa too, he's always been a big representation of exploiting the oppressed hasn't he! No wonder they want Cham instead, he actually put his butt on the line for them time and time again! No kidding about the phone image lol! Wow, I knew Clone Wars was expensive but didn't realize just how much they were putting into it, even at the detriment of the budget!! Then again, it goes to show how much George Lucas really cared about it vs. the money. Rebel's animation never bothered me but I'd love to see what it would look like with this level of animation too, I guess we kinda got that with these Hera eps in a way!