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Oshi no Ko 2x02 "Game of Telephone" - reaction & review (Patreon)

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Hey everyone! Here it is - my reaction to ep 2 of season 2 of Oshi no Ko! Oh wow guys, I went into this one being totally on the side of the creator, especially considering what we saw for Akane's character last time. But dang, they're really making me feel conflicted over here! I feel bad for the scriptwriter, and honestly, it wasn't exactly anyone's fault. It was just a breakdown of the system in this particular case. I'm curious to see how exactly this play is gonna go now! Dang! Great ep! Enjoy! ~ MH

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Leonie2003

Hey Melissa, this was quite the eye opening episode, gave us a lot of info on how the process of adapting something to a different medium plays out, Abiko Sensei might be overstepping but it’s understandable that she’d be fed up with the way her story was handled. I can really imagine what it's like when you as an author are happy that your work is being adapted, either into an anime or a drama, and then the end result is not at all satisfying and you realize how little influence you actually had over the process. I think a lot of writers these days feel that way, that their work is not treated with care. Especially in many Hollywood productions today, there is much more emphasis on quantity than quality and they try to make big money as quickly as possible, forgetting the most important aspect, namely good storytelling. And that's why many people say that today's films are no longer as good as they used to be, and in most cases I can actually agree with that. Even children's films today are filled with political statements that really have no place in them. And when you look at the original work and see what extreme changes have been made in the adoption, then I just find it shocking that people even dare to deface such a work in this way. In this case, however, I would like to defend Goa Sensei a little, because he really tried to write a good script for the manga and I buy that he stands behind the manga one hundred percent. The only mistake he made was that he didn't really communicate with the author and discuss whether the changes he was going to make were really what she wanted. Then he doesn't really need to be surprised if his creation doesn't really go down well with her. The problem, as we saw in the episode, is that so many people are involved in the process that it's easy to lose track of who has made which decision and it's also very difficult to trace back why this decision was made. And that's why the author should have worked more closely with Goa Sensei from the beginning, so that such inconsistencies could have been prevented. Like you, I've seen the Phantom Blood musical and really liked the changes they made to the script. They deepened the characters and got even more out of the source material. Of course they had to shorten scenes in some places and leave things out, but that didn't bother me so much. And that's why, for me, the Phantom Blood musical is a positive example of how you can turn a manga into a play and even improve on the source material. I'm definitely curious to see how the mangaka will rewrite the script and how the date with Aqua and Akane will go.

Spadeas

Hi Hime :) It is said that when it comes to art, there are as many visions as there are people looking at it. This means that depending on the person's background, we will be more inclined to interpret something in one way or another and not necessarily see the same thing as another person. This is why certain films judged to be bad are, on the contrary, appreciated by others and certain beloved works can go over our heads. Here we have a screenwriter who had to transform a manga that he loves and that he has read into a play. There is already its own vision and interpretation, associated with the new format, then comes the telephone game which transforms this scenario into a vision totally different from what the screenwriter and the author of the manga could imagine at the very beginning. This has passed and been modified by so many hands, that like a photocopy of a copy of a copy of a copy, we lose substance and quality. Personally, I think that if the screenwriter and the author met to discuss, they would see that they both share a not so distant vision and that there are ways to do something together, that's what I hope it arrives eventually. Now, you know that I am an artist, I draw and create worlds, I would like to make comics but I always have the fear of starting out, and retouching my style, my characters, my worlds, etc. So I haven't taken the plunge yet. In short, what I'm getting at is that I understand the author as well, because I can put myself in her place, as the screenwriter, because I'm a fan of numerous works and seen countless adaptations, comparing the original media as well as its adaptations, remake ect ect I know very well that constraints necessarily change the direction that a work can take, Saint Seiya/Knight of the Zodiac is a work that I grew up with and the animated adaptation takes liberties, both in terms of design and story or in personality change. Would just be the design of the main characters, modified to make the toys sell better (and yes, at the time, anime was made to sell toys). Some who have only known the anime swear by it, while those like me who read the original manga, accept many modifications that can be made to remakes or others, because the anime itself is not faithful to the manga. Unfortunately, it's hard to separate what you think is right from what should be done in relation to the limits imposed by a medium, and when you're a fan and you love it, you're even more critical. We have seen it with numerous adaptations of comics in recent decades, but also Hollywood versions of manga or even sequels to cult licenses. The “fans” are quick to criticize from the first trailer, but heated tempers cool down if the quality is there. In short, it's a really very current subject and this inside view of how it's done is really interesting and should be shown to more people. This might calm down some easily critical fans.

Tyler Stobbe

This was definitely an interesting episode with a lot of moving parts, despite the fact we only really had one overarching plot line being covered this week. First, I was a little surprised that when you watched the opening and ending themes the song wasn’t translated into English via subtitles for you - it was for me when I saw it. There’s just nothing there on your copy. I thought that was a bit strange. I assume you filmed fairly quickly after it was initially posted, so… who knows? Definitely something to keep an eye on for later, though. The name of the author is Abiko Samejima, and the scriptwriter goes by a handle, GOA. Honestly it was a little hard to tell Abiko’s gender in the previous episode, so I may have referred to them incorrectly. She does say one key phrase during the recap as she’s praising the actor talent and how she couldn’t do it: “I’m clueless about all this.” Kana mentioned Lala Lai are known to be hardliners as a theater company so they’re already a bit “out of their usual depth” with this production. When Kana and Aqua arrive, they run into Melt, who immediately understands why Kana’s looking so concerned at having to act with him again. He was terrible as the protagonist on their last show and couldn’t act for beans. But that raises an interesting question, because none of the production crew seemed to really care about the story, either, it was just a way to sell pretty faces. So is it his fault? He does ask Kana to be more honest with him, since last time she didn’t really give him any feedback. He hopes he’s improved in the last nine months or so. All three of them have been sent by Kaburagi, the producer, and are introduced to Raida, the executive producer, and Kindaichi, the director. A lot of the cast is meeting each other for the first time. The only one who doesn’t really bat an eye, is Himekawa, who’s playing the lead role and seems to be… snoozing? My guess is he’s probably wiped and has a lot of obligations in performances besides this one - some of what was shown last episode kind of inferred as much. Since all the principals (first team actors) are present, the director decides to do a script read through in a little bit, which gives Akane a chance to see her “boyfriend.” She’s hoping she can be more reliable and a source that’s useful to Aqua now that they’re in her world, because I don’t think any of us need to be reminded what happened on the reality show with her… right? 👀 She’s not overconfident, she just wants to be a source Aqua can count on. She also has completely solid reasoning in the fact they have lots of scenes in which they both are participating. And she very likely is also trying to work an angle to pique his interest for real. Melt makes a comment about the two of them hitting it off, which basically puts Kana into full coping / denial mode. I’ve seen this kind of deductive reasoning plenty of times, most notably when fans are trying to tear down a ship they don’t like and citing all the reasons it shouldn’t happen. Kana’s basically turned into a walking message board when Melt points out the two characters Aqua and Akane play are engaged, so it must have some casting intent. This just irks her even further, but she does admit they seem to be close, before lashing out against the system she’s a part of. Like Melt said, somebody’s touchy today. Can’t imagine why. 😅 I was a bit curious why Abiko sounded familiar - turns out she’s Ochaco (MHA), Gabi (AoT), and Fiona (Spy x Family.) Anyway Abiko has invited Yoriko out to pick her brain since she has no idea how adaptation works and wants to ask her about it. Seems like Abiko has a very interesting teeth brushing quirk (no pun intended), as well. I do think what we DIDN’T see is as important as what we did. I imagine Yoriko shared a few of the things that went wrong with her Sweet Today adaptation and this has probably already gotten an already panicked Abiko into a frenzied state. Even Yoriko admits that Abiko-sensei is one of the odder characters in the manga industry to begin with. While a manga is pretty well conceived by one or two people, adaptations take a lot more people, and communication skills are important as a go between. You can’t leave everything to the adaptation team or they’ll just do what they want. But there’s a flip side. Productions have been thrown into chaos because the creator unduly inserts themselves where they’re not needed - there has to be give and take to create a successful show. Something Yoriko is concerned about when it comes to her former assistant. The producer’s a bit aghast at Abiko’s request, pointing out they got her approval already for the script. Which she takes issue with - she was told once she saw the actors perform she’d be convinced it’s a good script - and she isn’t. In her mind that voids her permission. GOA tries very hard to apologize but that only earns him a tongue lashing from her. She says two things that have to be particularly hurtful - one, she doesn’t even think he’s reading the manga, and two, she calls his skill as a creator into question. The biggest issue she has, is the same one Akane brought up - while plot lines have to be changed, changing characters is a slap in the face she can’t ignore and takes major offense to, which is why she wants it all redone. She didn’t point out any particular role, but it’s not hard to guess after the last episode which character might have her the most incensed about the changes. Yoriko saw this coming and tries to pull her away to calm her down, leaving the rest of the cast kinda just holding the bag. It’s a big mess. I do have to get a little amusement out of her rant against the producer and the director after they pretty much shot down the same criticisms from Akane the last episode - it’s a little different when it’s not your decision anymore, I guess? It seems adaptation is very convoluted and the script changes hands a number of times - I found it interesting that the first two or three drafts get done before the author even sees it. She no doubt was upset when she sent out revisions. Basically however, her intentions are being conveyed through six different other people at least, according to the diagram shown, before GOA even saw it. So “you can’t have this character acting in this fashion” becomes toned down at the discretion of others and all he hears at the end is “can you make this scene a bit more evocative?” So he just thinks, I just need to add a couple of lines and make a few minor corrections, right? Not to mention the producer is naysaying some of the author’s revisions due to time, and he’s under pressure not to cut scenes with star actors in them - and that’s even before we get to runtime issues. By the time the revised script gets back to the author, she’s even more furious, which leads to the “come see them in action” invitation. She’s already on edge, but what’s probably got her the most furious is that none of her intentions have been reflected in the revisions due to all the “red tape” that each one went through. She points out characters have basically been turned into idiots far removed from her original vision, and asks for them to just let HER do it. (Imagine how you’d feel if Palpatine suddenly showed up as a kind and benevolent person…) Otherwise, she’ll pull her permission for the play’s rights. So what if it’s tens of millions of yen for a contract breach? She’ll do it on principle, as she’s already feeling like (and she’s not completely wrong), the production crew has completely misled her in how this is going to work. Talking to her friend about Sweet Today’s disaster is probably not helping matters either. Someone points out she won’t have to pay the breach, the company will. She doesn’t care. This is an extremely popular manga and source material, and has 50 million in circulation. It would be kind of like George Lucas telling someone, you can’t do Star Wars anymore. Unlike a lot of creators, they HAVE to listen to one with this much clout. She also wants GOA dropped from the project due to his perceived lack of understanding about her intentions. GOA has an interesting line: “Well, there are many manga artists who’re very picky and likewise lack social skills.” Clearly we’re referring to Abiko, but I had to laugh, because there’s another character on another show you’re reacting to that comes to mind… can you think of anybody that particularly specific description fits? 🙃 Anyway, he admits he’s actually at the bottom of the food chain - being a scriptwriter isn’t as glorious as some think it is - it really does seem to be a thankless job - you’re easily replaced on a whim, and even if you’re not, you’re going to be despised if the script doesn’t match the audience’s expectations. Part of me wondered if this was a somewhat subtle reference to the difficulty the scriptwriters had in doing the last season of GoT, which was universally panned and is now widely regarded as one of the biggest failures, at least artistically, in the history of the medium. Anyway GOA has to balance what everyone wants, and despite his best efforts, because Abiko hates it, he’s let go. He asks for his name to be stripped from the credits, but the promotional materials are already printed, so he cages and lets it stick. You were asking afterwards how do I feel about the whole situation? I don’t blame either of them, actually. Abiko has every right to be angry. Her work has been basically turned into a shell of what it was originally, so much that she doesn’t even recognize it. GOA has every right to be frustrated, he is a fan of the work and put everything he had into meeting everyone’s requests. No, the problem we’re dealing with here is the system. Have you ever heard the phrase “too many cooks in the kitchen?” I feel like if Abiko and GOA had a DIRECT line of communication things probably would’ve gone a lot smoother, but she only sees him as the person responsible for destroying her original vision, when in truth it’s actually all the different middlemen that have been undermining both of them. Keep in mind what she said earlier, she’s clueless about all this. And yet, she’s thinking she’ll rewrite the entire script? This is gonna be a little bit different than a manga page… Anyway rehearsals and everything are on hold until she finishes. I have a sneaking suspicion she may find out quite quickly she’s in over her head, and I wonder if she’ll actually end up calling him back for help with all the ins and outs of it? The cast has nothing to do in the meantime, so Akane remarks how she wanted a long rehearsal window since it’s a Stage Around play. Aqua doesn’t know what that is, which flabbergasts everyone, and Akane’s pout face meme images a second appearance. Aqua doesn’t hate theater, like Akane gets the impression, but he feels there’s a lot being left to be desired - a perception Akane MUST do something to remedy immediately - so it’s time for her to take him on an actual date and educate him about just how all this stuff works, and how it differs from his concept of this part of the entertainment industry. She could also be making a move. Uh oh, I think Kana had that glazed look again after I wrote that… …Hey, so do you think Aqua has ANY idea at all whatsoever is going on with the two girls around him? I know the guy’s focused but I’m starting to wonder if he’s completely human with how aloof he is. 😅 Well, that’s it for another essay. I’ll be here next week. This show’s just too good, I kinda feel we’d have quite the group analysis session if we all broke it down. Do we get extra credit? XD

Manny

It’s a shame what happens to good works and writing during these processes. ✍️ 🚮

kamenriderhime
>>143366230

Hi Spadeas! :) That's a great point about how art can be interpreted. You can see that the screenwriter really did want to do well with this, but unfortunately, like you said, what we ended up with was a copy of a copy when it comes to feedback. It is a shame they couldn't have just met up directly!!! I was thinking the same thing. If you decide to one day, I hope you have a great time making comics!!! I know it's hard to get started, but your art is really awesome! I've been a fan for a while! That's the thing - both instances are relatable here to a degree!!! That's an interesting example with Saint Seiya. That's so true about fan criticisms too! Often these works aren't as bad once people have a chance to actually see them in their entirety too!

kamenriderhime
>>143342602

Hey Leonie! I agree, I totally get how the author is fed up here. It's definitely something we see pretty often in Hollywood - that things get skewed a lot when adaptations to film, live action, etc. are made. But I agree with you about Goa, he really did try! His biggest mistake was the lack of communication, but I'm honestly not sure if he could go over the heads of all the other workers and talk to her directly. Maybe that's not a thing that's done in Japan? If it is, then obviously this could have all been avoided, which is a shame! I'm glad you agree about the PB musical! :) It's a good example of a good play adaptation! I can't wait to see what's gonna happen with both the script and the date! XD

kamenriderhime
>>143400039

Thanks for recapping all of the scenes in such detail, I don't have much to add to your recap here but I appreciate the in-depth explanations. That's so weird about the subtitles, I didn't notice but I'm not sure why they didn't appear for me. I think Akane might be trying to win over Aqua for real! And that's so fun about the VA for Abiko! It is a shame that things got so skewed in the communication process here, I can get why the author was so frustrated (it would be weird if someone, say, like Palpatine was changed so much haha). And I kinda get why her word is so powerful here, considering the popularity of the manga. It seems like screenwriters really do get the crap end of the stick. I agree with your too many cooks analogy - honestly I don't blame either one, either. I did feel bad that Goa was treated so harshly because of the author's temper, but I understand why she was fed up too. The real problem here was the 4-5 middlemen I think. And even they didn't really do anything intentionally. Kana is not happy about this date haha, it should be interesting. Aqua is totally clueless!!!! It's a tale as old as time lol. Till next week!