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I'm having a bit of a stressful morning and it's making it hard for me to focus on art, so I thought I could rant and hopefully get this out of my system.

I had started a Subscribestar account because they have less restrictions than Patreon, but I was hesitant to go all-in with them because their site has less features and the payout system is more complicated with higher fees. In particular, I can't cash out unless I have a balance of at least $150, and the cashout often takes 4-5 business days. I only ever had about $150 worth of support on the site at any one time, so some months I just wasn't able to cash out at all since occasionally some subscribers didn't finalize their payments.

Things took a turn late last night when I got an email informing me that a subscriber had contested a charge to their account through their credit card (instead of just, y'know... asking for a refund from the site). As a result the credit card company hit Subscribestar with a Chargeback Fee of $50... and Subscribestar took that fee out of my money. Now, to be clear... I didn't know about the chargeback at all prior to being charged for it. I don't have access to anyone's credit card information. I don't even know whether an individual subscriber is paying with credit or paypal or bitcoin or whatever else Subscribestar accepts as payment. I never misrepresented anything that I presented or broke any TOS, but I'm still the one expected to pay the $50 fee. When I objected I was told, essentially, that Subscribestar doesn't have enough money to afford to cover the costs of Chargebacks, stating that if they did they wouldn't make any profit at all. Which, and perhaps I'm being paranoid, says to me that this happens often enough that it's a legitimate ongoing threat that puts me in jeopardy. At best I can never trust my balance, because someone might change their mind at any point and suddenly I'm down the cost of groceries for a few weeks with no means of defense... and at worse I could be targeted by bad actors who choose to flood my account with false claims to eat up all my profits for a laugh.

So I asked for what remaining money is in my account to be sent to me so I can close my account. I was just going to delete the whole thing outright, but Subscribestar has a policy that a profile with active Subscribers can't be deleted. Fair enough, so I made a post informing everyone that I was leaving and that it was because of the Chargeback fee. Then, just in case, I also sent a private message to all my Subscribers detailing the same thing. Now I woke up this morning and had an alert from last night telling me that I had gotten a reply from one of my Subscribers, and worried that they just now started a subscription and felt burned, I quickly logged in so I could talk to them in case I needed to arrange something with them so they didn't feel like i just took their money and ran.

At this point, I realized that the news post I had put up last night was deleted. Not edited or replied to... simply deleted outright. I went into my private messages and found that all the private messages on my account were deleted. Not just the messages I had sent last night about the issue... but all private messages I had ever received or sent. I tried to post a fresh news post about the issue, only to find out that my account has been set in a way that I can't post anything at all. I decided to just edit the frontpage description... I figured I'd leave out any embarrassing details so that they wouldn't just delete it and instead redirect everyone to Patreon. But editing my account has been fully disabled as well. Granted, I had told them that I wanted my account deleted, but I'd rather have the entire page simply disabled and all subscribers sent a refund, or whatever else would resolve this for everyone involved.

For now I was able to send a second batch of private messages to any remaining subscribers (although I fully expect them to be deleted soon as well), but the remaining money is still in Subscribestar's hands. It's not enough to to take any major legal action over, but it is enough to completely upend all my plans for Valentine's Day and my wife's Birthday this month. So if anyone wants a private commission, you can message me here or at bananacreamcakecomic@gmail.com.... I could use the extra income right now.

Comments

PictoNoMii

That sucks, but it might be for the best. After a bit of "research" (ie; reading one poorly written Medium article), it seems like this kind of thing has been a problem for at least a year, and is part of the reason why PayPal banned the site from using it's services. The biggest reason seems to be that while this platform was another option for creatives like yourself with...'alternative' tastes, it also attracted people who were outright banned from sites like Patreon for being bigots or legit criminals. Hopefully you will be able to find another solution for funding, and I wish you the best.

PictoNoMii

Here is the article in case you were interested. Is doesn't read to well, but the only other info I could find were forum post from other bigots angry that companies like Patreon and PayPal don't want to be associated with them. https://medium.com/@harry2019/why-paypal-calls-subscribestar-the-markets-black-fish-62965beac75c

jmcscore

What will you do with content that patreon had issues with to begin with? I still want to see some hot mother-daughter action in the future.

Ver Greeneyes

God damnit, why can't we just get a good platform. This should be such a cash cow, but all we get are 1) people with a god complex who dictate what we can and can't spend our money on from up high and 2) a bunch of amateurs that can't even use the influx of cash to make their platform trustworthy. So tired of this.

The Wixard

Even if they did have the money to cover chargebacks they wouldn't, that shit is such a huge problem for everyone especially with paypal cuz they just jack your money and leave it to you to try and argue your case after the fact, which you can't even do since it's through another party at that point... And not letting you get your money under 150 is really fucking skeevy anyway, it's like they want you to forget about it and hope they can keep it.

VitAnyaNaked

Yes, I think this is a pretty stressful moment in your life now, but you probably shouldn’t worry so much, keep making plans for Valentine's Day and your wife’s birthday. I am sure everything will be fine with you.

Shotred

Sorry to hear that buddy