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Trickle Down Episode 6: War, Disease & Amnesia (Patreon)

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2022-05-28 23:39:11
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2022-07

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The 1918 Pandemic was a deadly outbreak of influenza that killed tens of millions globally. It was also forgotten by historians for a generation. 

Medical officers in charge of the American Expeditionary Forces in World War I were confident that they could stop all infectious diseases in their tracks. The previous advances in medical science showed them that wartime epidemics could be stopped through sanitary measures. But when the flu pandemic ripped through their ranks, they didn’t know what to do. And the government was too focused on winning the war to offer much help to the civilian population. After the war, authorities were unable to deal with the horrors of the disease in an honest way. They preferred to forget. And so for decades afterwards, the horrors of the 1918 pandemic were erased from the cultural consciousness. 

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Written by Travis View. Theme by Nick Sena (https://nicksenamusic.com). Additional music by Pontus Berghe and Nick Sena. Editing by Corey Klotz.


REFERENCES

Arnold, Catharine (2018) Pandemic 1918: Eyewitness Accounts From the Greatest Medical Holocaust in Medical History

Byerly, Carol (2005) Fever of War: The Influenza Epidemic in the U.S. Army During World War I

Barry, John M. (2018) The Great Influenza: The Story of the Deadliest Pandemic In History

Crosby, Alfred (1989) America's Forgotten Pandemic: The Influenza of 1918

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Anonymous

Keep it up Travis. Trickle down is fantastic

Anonymous

Honestly, I am surprised at the number of people who don't seem to be aware of the horror that was the 'Spanish Flu'. It has been part of my knowledge bank since I was a child. Was America not affected like the rest of the world?

Anonymous

My grandmother is still alive at 97. When covid began, I started hearing about the 1918 pandemic and asked her about it since she was born in 1924. Her parents would have just lived through it before beginning their family. She said she had never heard of that pandemic until the same time I did, and her parents never once mentioned it.

Claire Hofbauer

Historians believe that 30 years is required in order to have enough of a record to analyze events so a person born in 1924 wouldn’t necessarily learn about it in school. I didn’t learn about watergate in school because I was born in 1983 but of course it was in the popular culture and I watched the entire senate hearings by myself on YouTube in the last year. If I’m completely honest, I didn’t learn about the Spanish flu until the little sister died from it in Downton Abbey. And then I realized I didn’t learn anything about World War 1 in school other than “trench warfare”. It wasn’t until last year that I spent about 6 weeks learning about World War I and now senseless and bullshit it was. I didn’t learn the real history of Reconstruction until this year (took about 4 months). And I STILL haven’t taken the time to learn the truth about how the United Stated ended up with Hawaii as a state. I’m sure it’s a horrifying story. It’s interesting what teachers leave out of curriculum no matter how elite or progressive your school is. If the “official” historical record doesn’t talk about it, you have to wait WAY longer to learn the truth from people who have the interest to dig way deeper than using publications/media of the day and popular culture. The real historical record are letters between and diaries of unimportant people just trying to be alive. It’s in the rejected patents. It’s basically the documents in the bin that someone saved and someone later uncrumples and pieces together. It’s really a great podcast, Travis. But you really did bring up my lunch. And I love listening to gross stuff but somehow it was just SO GROSS. It was impressively gross. I dare to say it but I kind of want to read the sources if you put it in the show notes.

Brandi Ray

Best episode yet!

Liam Harte

Travis’s point about the arbitrariness of historical memory rings true for me, in a very particular way. I watch a lot of silent movies, but the Spanish ‘Flu pandemic doesn’t feature in any that I’ve ever seen, except for an informational one-reeler made by the British government in 1918. There are silents with all kinds of other heavy themes: prostitution, war, abortion, racism, poverty, insanity, drug addiction, colonialism, other pandemics (e.g., the Black Death), domestic abuse, imaginary elite conspiracies, and so on. There’s even a Harold Lloyd comedy about American soldiers in Russia during the allied intervention after the Bolshevik revolution, which is a niche category if ever I’ve seen one. But the pandemic, which seems to have affected virtually everyone in the entire world, just never seems to have shown up in what was then the most popular form of popular culture. Even allowing for expert estimates that up to 80% of movies from the silent period have been lost, it seems unlikely that every pandemic flick would’ve disappeared, when all this other stuff survives. That makes me think that Spanish ‘Flu just never made it onto the silver screen, maybe because neither producers nor their audiences are interested in reliving horrors that they’ve experienced for themselves. (By the way, I don’t know of any Spanish ‘Flu talkies, either.)

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Dan Anderson

Loved this episode. I just want to add that I heard on another podcast (don't remember which one, I have a petty terrible memory) a probable scenario which went like this: At the time Wilson was negotiating the treaty to end WWI, he was very very ill. He even had a sort of temporary psychosis that was often a symptom of the "Spanish" flu. And as a result, he negotiated so poorly, and the treaty was so fucked structurally, that the inherent instabilities led to WWII. So in a very real way the pandemic (and the denial about it) from WWI directly led to the outbreak of WWII... Which I thought was interesting...

DukeNukem64x

Oh, in Québec it is annoying AF. When people have a "rhume" (cold) they often say "j'suis grippé" or "j'ai la grippe" (I have the flu) . Early adulthood college and improper ventilation in a call center made me basically get it 4 year in a row. It's basically the only thing that I always correct people on after asking probing questions like.

Madison Watson

This episode was fantastic, my favourite yet, incredibly fascinating