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Premium Episode 157: Princes in the Tower with Annie Kelly (Patreon)

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2022-01-23 23:36:19
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2022-10

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Murder, coups, & conspiracy theories at the end of the Middle Ages. UK correspondent Annie Kelly steps in to tell us the story of two princes who disappeared from a tower more than 500 years ago in England. Were they killed by the Duke of Gloucester who then ascended to the throne as King Richard III? Or did they assume new identities and live out their lives in hiding? And why are some in the UK still spinning conspiracy theories about the two young princes' deaths? It appears royalism is still kicking — and generating strange ideas about history.

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Anonymous

Is there a link to the video of Philippa Langley saying "no" about the spinal deformity? I'd love to see her face

Jon Adams

I can't find a link to Ms Langley uttering that phrase, but from the Guardian 08MAR2015: "Philippa Langley, a screenwriter and lifelong Ricardian who was the driving force behind making the archaeological dig happen (she raised £34,000 for the project through sheer will power), has devoted so much of her life to the cause that she has sometimes been accused of not only wanting to discover Richard III’s bones, <b>but to jump them too</b>. “If [people] want to make these assumptions that I’m still in love with him, that’s fine,” she says with a barely suppressed sigh. " Well, at least we got that matter out in the open.

kiahl

one of my favorite examples of 'what if this was all a lie or manipulation of history' is about Darius the great and how he came to be on the throne, and why his epitaph explaining that he killed the wizard pretending to be the son of the old king seems so defensive

Anonymous

Jake's "I don't even know if my family line existed then" is basically the same as Karl Pilkington's statement about the Tudor period - "again, it was too long ago. I don't even know if I had a family back then". Also cue the cackling of Ricky Gervais and Julian.

Christian Finne

Where is the hunchback monologue from?

Anonymous
>>76486877

It’s Laurence Olivier performing the opening monologue from the play Richard III. It includes some added lines from another Shakespeare play, Henry VI part 3.

Anonymous

Joke all you like about the princes in the tower being yaoi boys, but you may be delighted to know there’s a currently airing anime adaptation of Richard III (Requiem for the Rose King) where *everyone* is a beautiful yaoi boy, especially the much-maligned duke of gloucester himself. The Ricardians strike again!!

Cate Kneale
>>76377448

I know the archaeologist that she was speaking to and I'd love to see her face too.

Anonymous

Epic use of "Two Princes"

Anonymous

Did QAA do an episode on Cerebus yet? There was a funny post on reddit on the author’s breakdown and journey towards becoming a deranged anti-feminist, which, when I read it, instantly make me think of this podcast. If you want to find the post just search for Cerebus and Hobbydrama.

Anonymous
>>76790980

Late reply but I was a huge fan of that comic and watched in real time as it's creator Dave Sim went absolutely off the rails. I agree it would definitely make a good one!

Anonymous
>>76790980

I was a fan who learned about Dave Sim's worldview in real time also. Weird stuff, and then enough material for a grea cast episose.

Anonymous
>>76377448

I think it's in "Richard III: The King in the Car Park" which I can't find for free, but have this what I guess is really zoomed in and cut up version https://youtu.be/4eDtsnQnFfQ?t=29

Anonymous

That part about history denial shaping future perception for bad reasons really sounds like today with slavery and the Founding.

Carl Mann

I read the daughter of time by Josephine tey.in my university class about a year ago. And we covered the mystery of the prince’s and Richard. Good story

Anonymous

My parents are both from the UK. I was born in Canada and grew up in the United States. However is a kid I used to go visit my grandparents in Bristol every summer. They bought the ladybird series of books oh, and I distinctly remember a book they bought me that I had a section on the Two Princes . there is a very disturbing picture of the Two Princes being tucked very tightly into a double bed in the tower, LOL so even from a child about the age of 6 I remember this story, even though Annie Kelly did an excellent job explaining this tale it creeped me the f*** out

Anonymous

Also Jake singing the Spin Doctors Two Princes who adore you it's f****** classic