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Supernatural - 15x13 "Destiny's Child" Full Reaction (Patreon)

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2023-10-04 04:42:06
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rose mnor

If I may, I would like to attempt to give some clarifications on those canon inconsistencies and/or retconning of the episode. Mostly extracted from Superwiki, and if my own interpretations I will precede with IMO meaning In My Opinion. 1) Jo/Ruby working together IMO - Lillith and Michael working together opened the door for this theory. From 15.08 Our Father, Who Aren't in Heaven (Written by: Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner) MICHAEL: Then why would he send you, a demon, a speck of infernal bile? LILITH: One, ouch. Two, maybe because we worked together before. Remember? Setting off the Apocalypse? IMO - Lilith needed to be killed for Lucifer to walk free in S4 ending. This will motivate Ruby to find ways to look out for herself afterward if things don't go as planned and she is left alone to fend for herself. Ruby was on her own in S3+S4 where almost all demons hated her, hence working with Jo as a backup, or for whatever purpose, is not that far-fetched. IMO - Ruby worked closely with Lilith, so she was in the position to know the whole full plan of angels working with demons to facilitate her to pull the long con over Sam. IMO - Jo was Joshua's right-hand angel, Joshua who also talked with God. This might open the door to the possibility of her knowing of the Occultum. 2) Sister Jo From Superwiki: Sister Jo is an angel who was formerly known as Anael in Heaven, where she worked as Joshua's right-hand angel. She spurned Joshua's offer of more responsibilities after visiting Earth and seeing the pain and suffering of humans and questioning why God does nothing. As a result, she was demoted to a low-level functionary, counting souls as they enter Heaven. At some point afterwards, a disillusioned Anael left Heaven and struck a deal with a woman praying for her dying husband -- in exchange for saving her husband, Anael would get her as a vessel. From Superwiki: The character of Sister Jo herself could be considered an unreliable narrator throughout her appearances, regarding what she reveals of her past and motivations. IMO - Hence, whatever Jo said to others cannot be treated as the show's truth or the full story, for example, her backstory to Lucifer, From 13.13 Devil's Bargain (Written by: Eugenie Ross-Leming and Brad Buckner) SISTER JO: After the fall, all the angels were a mess. Desperate for housing, any vessel would do. And they had no long game. I, on the other hand, took some care. I listened. A woman was praying for her dying husband, so we made a trade. IMO - ... she didn't exactly say that she took her vessel during the fall, only how she chose said vessel ... From Superwiki: However, in 14.17 Game Night Jo mentions visiting Earth at an unspecified time in the past to Castiel and becoming disenchanted by Heaven. IMO - this opened the door for the headcanon of Jo being on Earth before The Fall 3) The Garden/Eden is not in Heaven, it is on Earth From: 5.16 Dark Side of the Moon (Written by: Andrew Dabb and Daniel Loflin) ASH: Mm-hmm. Yeah. See you got Winchesterland. (He holds up his hands to indicate the bar.) Ashland. (He points all around outside the bar.) A whole mess of everybody-else-lands. Put them all together: heaven. Right? At the center of it all? Is the Magic Kingdom. The Garden. JOSHUA: You see what you want to here. For some it’s God’s throne room; for others it’s Eden. You two, I believe it’s the Cleveland Botanical Gardens. You came here on a field trip. IMO - Heaven's garden which is in the center of Heaven, is not Eden. From Superwiki: The Garden/Eden/Occultum When humanity was exiled from the Garden of Eden, God hid it away by compressing this alternate realm into an orb and hiding it somewhere on Earth. This orb eventually became known as the Occultum: a sacred artifact of divine origin that even predates the lore. Furthermore, From: 15.13 Destiny's Child Written by: Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming SISTER JO: And maybe things go your way. But maybe they go Heaven's, and if they do, everyone will need a Plan B. (...more lines ...) RUBY: You said we'd all be dead. SISTER JO: We don't have to be. Not if we ride it out in the safest place that exists. RUBY: I'm not following. SISTER JO: The Occultum. IMO - Jo said: "the safest place that exists..." isn't in Heaven as Ruby cannot enter Heaven. 4) AU Sam+Dean driving Baby IMO - We can extrapolate that some time had lapsed when Sam+Dean+Cas+Jack came back, as we saw Cas had to talk and calm Jack down, to find out what happened when he disappeared, etc, etc. Maybe 15 minutes, half an hour, and an hour ... it can happen during these times ... 5) Jack pulling Cas's grace for him to go to the Empty IMO - an unvesseled angel is a construct of the combination of both angel grace + angel life force (that could be another form of their identity) ... to become a beam of light. From: 15.13 Destiny's Child Written by: Brad Buckner and Eugenie Ross-Leming CASTIEL: .... I need you draw out most of my life force .... IMO - Jack pulled Cas's grace + his life force just like in 14.14 Ourosboros when he pulled Michael's grace + life force from Michael!Rowena. Jack then said, "Michael -- He's dead." It can be extrapolated that he burned Michael's life force and only consumed the grace ... IMO - Cas's body is his own, there's no one who resides in Cas. When Cas angelness was pulled out, the body was empty, hence will appear dead to others. ETA - IMO - another example - when Metatron's grace was taken by Cas in 10.17, he was powerless but still retained his identity - therefore the life force is also an angel's identity while the grace is their power. Grace can be consumed by another angel but is still identifiable of who is the original owner ...

Jay
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This is a truly heroic breakdown! I'd add to point another explanation for 4): AU Dean doesn't say they drove the Impala, he calls it "The Car" - could be any of the vintage cars in the bunker garage (which we saw in the Oz episode), only our Dean would assume it means Baby - and AU Dean and Sam have very different tastes in everything else. You make a really good point about Anael being an unreliable narrator – I think it's safe to assume no characters are ever 100% reliable, which is something fans often forget. (My personal bugbear is the assumption that Alistair tells Dean the truth about John holding out for 100 years - no way was the man who bounced out of the hell gates at the end of season 2 being tortured in the way Dean was tortured! Dean's the only one in hell who has the 1 month = 10 years experience, too - he gets special treatment to break him for the apocalypse)

Amye Sabin

Sister Jo's betrayal is a sign that someone that you think is a friend or is helping, really isn't. Alot of this season is about perceptions. Ketch dying for the Winchesters, Sister Jo's setting them up, Amara's weakness (in my eyes. where's the badass desroyer of S11?), Belphagor's betrayal. I love the return of Rachel Miner. She's so fabulous. Tho I was unsure of Cas's plan, it did work. I did find the occultim storyline kind of lame, tho. That whole garden scene was stupid. But at least Jack's got his soul back. Alt-Sam & Dean are a trip. In one of the bloopers Jensen, as Alt-Dean falls backward out of his chair. It's so funny! I like that they are still around, just fighting in the southern hempishere of the world.